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05/04/2002 09:26:28 PM · #1 |
| One thing I don't understand is why we are allowed to view our current results, wouldn't it make since that someone who really likes their photo but was recieving a low score, would score other peoples pictures lower than their current score to boost their rating? |
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05/04/2002 09:28:48 PM · #2 |
Wouldn't the checks Langdon and Drew have built in catch that? I would rather not see that option removed.
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05/04/2002 09:30:52 PM · #3 |
| It still wouldn't make that much of a difference. It's just one vote. Besides you might get warned by the admins for scoring too many low scores. There isn't any prize here, just bragging rights. If you have to try to manipulate the system to score higher then that isn't much to brag about is it? |
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05/04/2002 09:48:18 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by anarchos_punk:
One thing I don't understand is why we are allowed to view our current results, wouldn't it make since that someone who really likes their photo but was recieving a low score, would score other peoples pictures lower than their current score to boost their rating?
If a person was that intent on screwing the voting they would do so whether they knew their score or not.
Anyways...do you really need a vote to tell you if something is good or not?
The best parts about this site are the challenge set forward to push your imagination, the ability to compare week to week against other submissions, the messageboard to interact, etc, etc..
The vote is just an interesting sidebar to the real meat and potatoes.
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05/05/2002 04:00:52 AM · #5 |
On the other hand if we removed the ability to see what our rating is then I for one would get a lot more work done, I wouldn't feel it necessary to come to the site evrey hour just to see if I've gained 0.01 of a point.
Sad I know |
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05/05/2002 04:06:15 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by cbonsall:
On the other hand if we removed the ability to see what our rating is then I for one would get a lot more work done, I wouldn't feel it necessary to come to the site evrey hour just to see if I've gained 0.01 of a point.
Sad I know
Your lack of self restraint shouldn't penalize those of us who visit the site every two-four hours to check our scores. |
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05/05/2002 06:12:51 AM · #7 |
Every hour?? Every 2-4 hours?? You guys ARE showing self-constraint, trust me!!! ;o)
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05/05/2002 07:27:04 AM · #8 |
At least you guys haven't put up a counter to alert you when someone is even VIEWING your shot :-)
I have thought many times that voting on a piece of artwork is akin to those insipid polls you see posted on every website asking totally subjective questions like what icecream flavor is best. There are differences in skill to be sure but outside a low, medium, high I can't really say I feel any more seperation than that is easily justified on a learning site.
So much about a photo depends on the subjective view of the voter. I have my top 10 every week and to be sure, the final votes have my top ten picks spread among the top 40 or 50...what the h3ll is wrong with you people..
;-)
Not to say that I would want this but what would happen if the voters score was visible? Like if I voted a 6 on a photo and that was visible to everyone. Just wondering what the result would be.
Would people be more self conscious of their vote? It might be fun to see how folks really think about stuff..Jerry Springer style.
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05/05/2002 11:17:57 AM · #9 |
I don't think our votes should ever be visible. It is human nature to hold grudges, even unconciously, against someone who always votes your photos low. On the other hand, we might become concious of cliques that form by the higher end scores among certain groups.
No, I feel bad enough voting someone's hard work lower because I don't think it fulfills the challenge well or has too many technical flaws. I don't want to end up having to defend myself for scoring it a 3 or 4 when the author finds out who scored him/her that low. |
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05/05/2002 12:30:50 PM · #10 |
I agree with Shortredneck.
I don't want to defend all of my votes..........it would take all week for me to explain my feelings about 100+ photos.
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05/05/2002 12:42:21 PM · #11 |
I think displaying the vote would be OK myself. It would not taint future voting because you still don't know who owns the photo you are voting on. I think it would really do two things... It would eliminate some of the nonsense votes and it would also generate lots of hatemail...
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05/05/2002 12:42:39 PM · #12 |
nothing's perfect. maybe if the prize was something tangible I might see being anal about this stuff. but for what it is: a congenial place to learn about photography and interact with other photographers, this site serves it's purposes extremely well. :)
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05/05/2002 01:06:40 PM · #13 |
My wife said I would see an overwhelming vote against seeing the votes.
I think her opinion was something like "people want to avoid scrutiny" or something. I say what the heck, even when I vote low on something I do so in a non-attacking way.
Maybe we could have this as an option. In our profile we could opt to let people see what our past vote on the photo's were.
Go ahead Admins, turn my votes on!! :-)
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05/05/2002 01:18:26 PM · #14 |
Scrutiny is why I'm here... and I get plenty of it :)
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05/05/2002 01:28:55 PM · #15 |
your wife is right (it's amazing how often they are! :)). but it's kind of common sense: having your vote revealed defeats one of the major attractions of the internet: communication in anonymity. think about it: why are so many of us using handles instead of our real names?
I think most people probably wouldn't go for it, just out of self-preservation : D
One of the problems with such an open communication channel is say I type up an innocently constructive critique, and the person reading it 'gets messages from the aliens to kill people through his dog', or something? this is a world where things like that happen. i happen to be luckier than many: i have hacker friends that could wreak all kinds of vengeance on anyone who messed with me, but i have better things to do than get into some stalker war with some internet flake-o psychopath type, lol.
interestingly, anonymous two-way communication is the killer app of the internet lately, and has been the driving force behind the recent explosion of 'vote' sites, like 'Am I Hot Or Not' where you rate people's pictures for attractiveness on a scale of 1 to 10, garageband.com and farmclub.com, where people can submit mp3's of original music and have them anonymously rated as well as receive comments. The votes, which are taken to represent a kind of 'market survey' go to choosing the winners of record contracts.. I bet someone could even do a digital camera photo challenge where people voted on each other's submission ....
but fwiw, i like the user-selectable option.
Originally posted by hokie:
My wife said I would see an overwhelming vote against seeing the votes.
I think her opinion was something like "people want to avoid scrutiny" or something. I say what the heck, even when I vote low on something I do so in a non-attacking way.
Maybe we could have this as an option. In our profile we could opt to let people see what our past vote on the photo's were.
Go ahead Admins, turn my votes on!! :-)
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/5/2002 1:29:47 PM.
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05/05/2002 01:33:54 PM · #16 |
I don't vote anyone low to be mean myself. It's just that some people take things more to an extreme than others. I would rather not risk raising the anger level of a potential Jeffrey Dahmer out there. It becomes a little scary when somebody starts the personal attacks just because you have an opinion on something. Rather than risk having my name attached to any vote of 5 or below, I would have to quit participating totally.
Hokie, you weren't around when I got cussed out and called a bitch in the forums. I guess if you had read those posts you would understand my feelings. |
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05/05/2002 01:57:46 PM · #17 |
What I think she meant by people avoiding scrutiny is..
Let's say I vot a 1 on a photo that ends up getting an award. Then I might look like a dolt. Or I vote a 10 on a photo that ends up last...That kind of thing.
I will say that I have not given enough 10's to photos I thought were 10's. I had a hard time figuring out what I thought a 10 was. Now I feel clear that a 10 is a photo I cannot see changing to be better. Whether that change would be a perspective, color or curve correction, focus, etc. I can honestly say now that I have seen some 10's and only voted 9 for lack of a definition of what I thought a 10 was.
I applaud the folks who contribute a photo to the challenges. Out of the over 900 members here they are the gutsy ones. I see plenty of members in the big list with some overwhelming gear ($4,000 plus digicams etc) that have not submitted one challenge while some rather modest camera owners have really been pluggin away. Good for them. :-)
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/5/2002 2:12:43 PM. |
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05/05/2002 02:09:15 PM · #18 |
When I choose a 10, I look for a few things... I look for photos that have no technical problems to begin with... Then the subject has to be appealing to me as well. You could take a perfect photo of just about anything as far as technical qualities are concerned... I just try to keep a balance of objective/subjective thoughts when i vote..
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05/05/2002 02:11:27 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by shortredneck:
Hokie, you weren't around when I got cussed out and called a bitch in the forums. I guess if you had read those posts you would understand my feelings.
I don't think I was. But I see your point and can't say I disagree with it.
As far as creating some Jeffrey Dahmer stalker/hater. I see that as a remote but not impossible thing. But then I've been particpating on the internet for 7 or so years and have gotten used to the whack jobs that hang out on the net and spew the hate.
Anyhow....I am getting more than enough from the site as it is and could care less if it stays just like it is. I was just about the thinking some of the other folks here had.
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/5/2002 2:13:47 PM. |
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05/05/2002 11:16:27 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by hokie:
...and have gotten used to the whack jobs that hang out on the net and spew the hate.
Good thing we dont have anyone like that here at DPC... ;)
As for the voting system. Personally, I think it works just fine as is.
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05/13/2002 12:27:44 AM · #21 |
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05/13/2002 12:32:37 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by k1w1:
I f***ing agree
Yeah, I agree too! :) |
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05/13/2002 03:14:10 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by joebar:
Originally posted by k1w1:
[i]I f***ing agree
Yeah, I agree too! :)[/i]
Who the hell asked you?! |
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05/13/2002 08:12:03 PM · #24 |
Hi k1w1,
Please be productive on the forums or do not use them.
Thanks,
Drew |
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