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08/29/2006 08:47:32 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by MrXpress:
Originally posted by Count:
IMHO the Sony is a joke with a good (and misleading) advertising campaign. |
Care to share why? |
Sure...
When I say the A100 is a joke its because I feel Sony is advertising it as a professional (or at least pro-sumer) camera and it struck me as more of an extremely advanced P&S with removable lenses. I can't imagine many pro's using it. I felt that Sony spent more money on advertising than developement. Maybe it isn't a bad camera, I just don't feel it compares to any of the other dSLR's on the market, except maybe the newer budget Olympus ones. I think Konica-Minolta had a better product.
In my opinion (after shooting for half a day with the A100):
I felt the image quality was not on par with Nikon and Canon's offerings. 6MP pictures from my old 10D (let alone the newer Canons) had better quality and less noise than the 10MP images from the A100.
The build quality and erganomics felt poor, I feel this way about the Rebel and Rebel XT too, but the A100 felt even worse to me. In my mind an expensive camera should feel comfortable in hand and give the impression of value and durability. For me the A100 did none of these.
The anti-shake didn't seem nearly as effective as I'd hoped, especially at longer focal lengths where its needed the most.
The lenses are just as (or more) expensive than similar ones from Canon or Nikon with only a fraction of the selection. I know people have said "wait till all the third party vendors have lenses available for it" but why? All those lenses are available now on other platforms, why wait?
I'm not a Canon loyalist who's anti-every-other-brand, I would happily switch platforms if I thought there was a better product on the market.
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08/29/2006 08:59:01 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by xantangummi:
....lens prices are a bit high.......... |
Us Canon people have lost the ability to talk about price of lenses. The last couple of lenses including the new 70-200f4 IS are out of control :-/. The Sony seems like a decend deal on the surface - I have never touched one but feel is a personal thing. I love the 20D with grip but most find it too heavy. |
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08/29/2006 09:22:23 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by Count:
Sure...
When I say the A100 is a joke its because I feel Sony is advertising it as a professional (or at least pro-sumer) camera and it struck me as more of an extremely advanced P&S with removable lenses. |
you seems to think that the more expensive it gets more 'professional' it gets. To me a professional thingy is the one that can make me money.
There are people who can make money with P&S.
And about sonyA100, the camera is it always compared by reviewer etc. is canon 30d, does it not tell anything about the camera.
whatever sony A100 is it is not an extremely advanced P&S with removable lenses
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08/29/2006 09:22:39 PM · #79 |
I think Sony will ruin the Minolta designs, but they will sell by truckload just because it says "SONY" on the front.
Sad, really sad.
Worse than Canon 350D? Is that possible?
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08/29/2006 09:25:33 PM · #80 |
Thanks for all your raving reviews. Of course, I was hoping that I would receive more hits on my portfolio as well as more comments, since I have now become a dslr owner, but with all the negative stuff said about this camera, nobody will still take me serious, and I will still suffer from lack of good words or interest in my work, and of course nobody will visit my portfolio because everyone will think this is nothing more than a point and shoot. I give up. I really like the camera, and it gives me much better shots than I got even with my film Canon Rebel 2000 or my film Olympus OM-10.
By the way, in comparison to others, my portfolio views have been up for 1 1/2 years, and I've yet to get to 10,000. That is what I mean by lack of interest. It would be nice to reach that plateau before Christmas, but I won't hold my breath.
Message edited by author 2006-08-29 21:52:53. |
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08/29/2006 09:29:25 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
Thanks for all your raving reviews. Of course, I was hoping that I would receive more hits on my portfolio as well as more comments, since I have now become a dslr owner, but with all the negative stuff said about this camera, nobody will still take me serious, and I will still suffer from lack of good words or interest in my work, and of course nobody will visit my portfolio because everyone will think this is nothing more than a point and shoot. I give up. I really like the camera, and it gives me much better shots than I got even with my film Canon Rebel 2000 or my film Olympus OM-10. |
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08/29/2006 09:53:29 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by Count:
IMHO the Sony is a joke with a good (and misleading) advertising campaign. When I say the A100 is a joke its because I feel Sony is advertising it as a professional (or at least pro-sumer) camera |
I went to your Sony USA site and can't find any commercials. But from the Sony A100 commercials that I've seen elsewhere, I don't think what you said is true. As far as I know, Sony placed the A100 camera in their Consumer Electronics section. However, I think Sony reserve the rights to label the Alpha mount highly because that may well be their direction - just the same way the Canon EOS system is labelled.
Originally posted by Count:
and it struck me as more of an extremely advanced P&S with removable lenses. |
You can take any camera and then point, click, shoot.... so isn't all cameras out there P&S anyway? What makes the camera you are using a non-P&S? Did the AF and AE broke?
Originally posted by Count:
I can't imagine many pro's using it. |
Maybe not the A100 specifically, but the Alpha system looks promising, especially with Zeiss and Sony's $$$ and influence.
Originally posted by Count:
The anti-shake didn't seem nearly as effective as I'd hoped, especially at longer focal lengths where its needed the most. |
But is it not better than a comparable Canon lens(coz you're using a Canon, so I use this example) which dont have IS? I don't see why having an extra is "worse" than having nothing at all.
Message edited by author 2006-08-29 22:02:18. |
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08/29/2006 10:01:40 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
Thanks for all your raving reviews. Of course, I was hoping that I would receive more hits on my portfolio as well as more comments, since I have now become a dslr owner, but with all the negative stuff said about this camera, nobody will still take me serious, and I will still suffer from lack of good words or interest in my work, and of course nobody will visit my portfolio because everyone will think this is nothing more than a point and shoot. I give up. I really like the camera, and it gives me much better shots than I got even with my film Canon Rebel 2000 or my film Olympus OM-10.
By the way, in comparison to others, my portfolio views have been up for 1 1/2 years, and I've yet to get to 10,000. That is what I mean by lack of interest. It would be nice to reach that plateau before Christmas, but I won't hold my breath. |
Honestly.. bad reviews about the camera you own mean nothing when it comes to profile views or people taking you seriously.
Trust me. The Pentax gets slammed all the time, and yet I enjoy a relatively moderate high profile hit, and I think a lot of people take me seriously.
Too seriously sometimes..
Anyway, it's about exposing yourself, being noticeable in the forums, and putting out some good work that people enjoy.. not the camera you own or what a few people might think about it.
Of course, your whole post was probably sarcasm.. but hey :)
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08/29/2006 10:03:09 PM · #84 |
| Actually I'm just jealous that I don't have the money to buy a Sony A100... |
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08/29/2006 11:00:56 PM · #85 |
| People seem to complain that people will buy the sony just because of the name like i is abad thing. Think of it this way, the more people they get to buy then the more dSLR owners out there which means all companys will compete even harder for the expanded customer base. more competition most of the time equates to better products. |
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08/29/2006 11:05:23 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
more competition most of the time equates to better products. |
very good point |
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08/29/2006 11:41:00 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
By the way, in comparison to others, my portfolio views have been up for 1 1/2 years, and I've yet to get to 10,000. That is what I mean by lack of interest. It would be nice to reach that plateau before Christmas, but I won't hold my breath. |
I've been here two years and you've got more profile views than me.
Anyway, if you can take good photos with your camera, take them; don't worry about what anyone else thinks of the equipment you use. |
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08/30/2006 01:48:44 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by crayon:
I went to your Sony USA site and can't find any commercials. But from the Sony A100 commercials that I've seen elsewhere, I don't think what you said is true. As far as I know, Sony placed the A100 camera in their Consumer Electronics section. However, I think Sony reserve the rights to label the Alpha mount highly because that may well be their direction - just the same way the Canon EOS system is labelled. |
I don't know about commercials since I never watch any, what I was talking about was mainly print ads, camera store kiosk ads, and press materials. In that material Sony has made claims about the effectiveness of the "Super SteadyShot® image stabilization", and the "Dynamic Range Optimizer (DRO)" that just haven't panned out. I don't have a particular problem with Sony's hardware, but I do have one with Sony's marketing practices and customer support.
Originally posted by crayon:
You can take any camera and then point, click, shoot.... so isn't all cameras out there P&S anyway? What makes the camera you are using a non-P&S? Did the AF and AE broke? |
I was refering to the image quality I experienced with the A100. It was more comparable to my P&S than a $1,000+ dSLR. AF and AE is fine on both the 30D and the A100.
Originally posted by crayon:
Maybe not the A100 specifically, but the Alpha system looks promising, especially with Zeiss and Sony's $$$ and influence.
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We won't know but to wait and see about the Zeiss lenses. This thread wasn't talking about the Alpha System, it was talking about the A100. I think its part of Sony's problem that they rely so much on $$$ and influence.
Originally posted by crayon:
But is it not better than a comparable Canon lens(coz you're using a Canon, so I use this example) which dont have IS? I don't see why having an extra is "worse" than having nothing at all. |
I didn't say it was worse than having nothing at all, just that it didn't seem as effective as I'd hoped (based on Sony's statements of 2 to 3 1/2 stops)
At any rate I just have a problem with Sony delivering less than they'd advertised. It seems like they're aiming the A100 at a consumer segment that doesn't know better... |
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08/30/2006 02:06:58 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by Count:
At any rate I just have a problem with Sony delivering less than they'd advertised. It seems like they're aiming the A100 at a consumer segment that doesn't know better... |
Well, had to agree with you, Sony may not be the best out there in the camera market today. But then again, I still think the A100 is pretty recommendable as an market-entry dSLR model for Sony. Plus, consumers who have chosen the A100 as their camera aren't all stupid - I guess they just found the A100 as something that worked for them.
On another note, if I had the $$$ right now for a dSLR, I'd be pretty torn in between the A100 and the 400D.... The D80 is yet to be seen, but specification-wise it doesn't look very outstanding; but that's just me and my 1-person opinion.
cheers.
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08/30/2006 02:17:47 AM · #90 |
crayon
I agree with you that all the consumers who've chosen the A100 aren't stupid. Everyone has different needs and I know there are plenty that the Sony is a great fit for.
Maybe the price will come down on it and I'll feel better, I think it'd be a killer camera if the price point was a couple hundred dollars lower.
Well, I think I've used up most of my (self imposed) yearly allowance of forum posting so I'd better get out of here... see ya around.
Dave (Count) |
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08/30/2006 06:53:05 AM · #91 |
A perspective on the "some people will buy the A-100 just because of the Sony name on it". Isn't it just as true that some people buy certain cameras just because of the Canon or Nikon name on it?
And even if some people choose their camera only because of the Canon, Nikon or Sony name, or because they believe inaccurate marketing, it doesn't follow that everyone who chooses that same camera does so for bad reasons.
The important thing is the images that one produces, not the brand of camera used to produce them with. |
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08/30/2006 07:32:13 AM · #92 |
i agree the build has to be good but, i am sure the canon 300D owners have shattered as much cameras as the canon 1d mark II on account of dropping it...
truth is.. if you worry too much about how the camrea looks and your hands, then maybe you are more worried about how you look and feel like holding it in other ppl's eyes... are you sure you are a good photographer.. or do you weigh much on how serious you look.. |
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08/30/2006 08:03:53 AM · #93 |
Actually just cos it's plastic, the 300D doesn't shatter. In fact it's more likely to bounce right back whereas a metal body would dent :P
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09/05/2006 03:16:37 PM · #94 |
well i just sold my 350d so i will be getting an alpha soon :)
hoping to get the kit lens, i've heared quite good things about this right? and i'm going to get the tamron 70-300 macro, that way i have everything covered, any ideas would be great before i get the money.
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09/05/2006 03:26:20 PM · #95 |
Just came back from the camera shop after piddling with one of these while waiting for my pickup. It really felt light and plasticy to me even with the kit lens on.
Felt awkward in my hands and pretty unnatural. Kinda like a Canon.
TO ME
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09/05/2006 03:27:26 PM · #96 |
richard42 ... good luck man.. sony make great electronics... im sure ur new DSLR will b great..
Konador : exactly... well actually... if you ever drop the camera the last thing you need to worry about is the chassis...
actually you do have a point, metal bodies will not absorb the shock the whole momentum of the shock will be transfered to the internal mechanics.... a plastic body will probably absorb the shock and dampen it...
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09/05/2006 03:52:06 PM · #97 |
| It is possible that the alpha is geared to a more feminine audience. I know for me, the grip fits perfectly in my hand. Everything is balanced just right for my finger length. The weight for me is substantial, but I need something that has some weight to it because I am used to lifting 50 pound boxes of frames. As to the plasticky feel, it isn't nearly as cold as metal would be. I take a lot of winter shots and I don't like dealing with really cold cameras. Anyway, I do enjoy the camera, and am looking to get a zoom lens before the end of the year. I would love that fine 70-300mm fast zoom, but it costs more than the camera, so I guess I will have to deal with another brand. As to Tamron, good luck with that lens richard42. I had one for one of my film slr's and found it to be not only slow, but diffcult to focus. It worked really well with a tripod, but for general zoom photography I did not care for it. Of course this was a lot of years ago, so maybe they have improved the lens. |
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09/05/2006 04:28:30 PM · #98 |
i was impressed by the quality of the 28-300 tamron and wanted a tele and a macro this was my first idea
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09/05/2006 05:07:51 PM · #99 |
Sony got into and made the A-100 because they have a brand name that is worth BILLIONS worldwide. If Sony made a toaster oven (which they might) they could corner the toaster oven market.
I can't blame them for being shrewd business people.
Sony does produce sensor chips for Nikon...on Nikon's design. Read the white paper that Canon put out on their chip designs. The machines that Sony has (steppers) that take the art (the chip design) and make it on the silicon are millions of dollars each and change in design each year. Nikon could make their own steppers or have a company make their steppers to their design (Micron will do this) BUT Nikon has decided that large sensor technology is in a state of extreme flux and would rather have their engineers at the Sony owned chip site overseeing chips manufacturing rather than owning the machine. The sensors in the Nikon cameras are a Nikon proprietory design..they are not Sony's. I was just at BMW and they do the same thing, designing the cars but having vendors own the manufacturing equipment.
Also, not diss on Sony...they haven't really been good or bad to me..but you buy a system when buying a DSLR and I do get a little concerned when any manufacturer that is not as robust as say, Canon or Nikon in the design of their systems equate their DSLR's to Canon or Nikon. The body, the sensor and even the optics may approach Canon or Nikon quality but it is VERY hard to move vertically if the complete system has not been thought out.
Anyone contemplating their next DSLR purchase as a STEP into DSLR photography versus the one and only purchase of any DSLR they will ever make should consider a complete system approach. The resources available to the average Canon and Nikon user are enormous compared to other manufacturers.
Not trying to get into a brand war, just trying to give some educated and experienced advice to people just learning about DSLR's, which is what this site is about I hope :-D |
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09/05/2006 06:28:42 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Also, not diss on Sony...they haven't really been good or bad to me..but you buy a system when buying a DSLR and I do get a little concerned when any manufacturer that is not as robust as say, Canon or Nikon in the design of their systems equate their DSLR's to Canon or Nikon. The body, the sensor and even the optics may approach Canon or Nikon quality but it is VERY hard to move vertically if the complete system has not been thought out.
Anyone contemplating their next DSLR purchase as a STEP into DSLR photography versus the one and only purchase of any DSLR they will ever make should consider a complete system approach. The resources available to the average Canon and Nikon user are enormous compared to other manufacturers. |
You make very good points about the importance of the system, not just the camera. However, don't forget that Sony aren't developing a system from the ground up, they bought and used Konica-Minolta's existing system - lenses, flashes, presumably other accessories, existing small range of digital bodies and larger range of film bodies.
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