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08/22/2006 11:31:04 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Could be, but the Sigma is not as good as the Canon/Nikon one, stopped down maybe it comes close but so do many lenses, wide-open it is a different story and so is the bokeh and micro contrast (it depends if you think that these things are important).
Many of the other lenses are quite close in price.
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i think you have to look at the camera from the point of view of the people that it is marketed to. Is sony trying to get pros? no. Are there going to be many pros using it? i doubt it. So, picking it apart from the very experienced points of view in a photography froum isn't going to work.
I, for one, haven't held it, but i can't imagine that it is any lighter and plasticky feeling than the majority of the point and shoots on the market. I remember the first time i picked up a dslr, at the time i was using my c-700. It was the original rebel. it felt like a dream... the heaviness, the grip, and the shutter action amazed me. That is the kind of buyer that sony is marketing to.
Now, look at camera functions. How many point and shoots out there are going to be able to beat the performance of this sony? if you take the number of compacts that have the resolution, and look at the noise the erupts when you take the picture, there are very few that can come close in every way to ANY dslr.
SO... when people pick this up as their first dslr, they will be very happy, and many of them will buy 1 or 2 lenses, and be happy at that. anyone who is planning to get more serious in photography will hopefully know enough to do some research.
Message edited by author 2006-08-22 11:32:36.
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08/22/2006 11:33:44 AM · #52 |
| Your review only deals with the build and ergonomics of the Sony but you have to also take into account the user base that Sony is trying to tap into with this camera: first time buyers of DSLRs. They want to build a user base who invests in some glass so that they will have a market for the future cameras they put out. That is where the big money is, and not in professional grade cameras. It's great feature set and high numbers (MPs) will surely make this camera very attractive to a lot of people and probably a big seller, especially around X-mas time. Sure, the A-100 is not robust but its users will not need that feature and it does provide a good transition from P&S to DSLRs, and that seems to be Sony's marketing strategy. |
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08/22/2006 11:35:18 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
You say that very well: "good luck with Sony". :)
BTW that's 5 returns for the camera, 3 (or 4) battery replacements, 2 new playstations, 1 tv and 1 telephone. When I look at my family it is also 2 telephones for my father and 1 for my brother. Their service is very good, replacement policy great, it's just the products that suck. |
Well, if you experience bad quality then the brand will always suffer - and you sound as though you and your family got the whole batch of "Friday afternoon specials" from Sony! Bummer!
I have never had any problems with any of my Sony gear but that is not to say that something will not go wrong - probably in the next few minutes now I have mentioned it.
Personally, I think I will wait for one of the major consumer players to buy up a top class camera and lens maker and see what they can do to shake up the market. Doh! Isn't that what Sony just did and what Samsung are doing?
Maybe what I really want is a Canik, Niknon or the like, or a Nikelblad. Bet I couldn't afford it though! :-)
Fun thread. |
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08/22/2006 12:26:38 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by blemt:
The Sony Alpha feels very similar to the KM 5d. Not surprising since they are basically the same camera body. |
This is an interesting statement in thie mix of mostly un-direct experience and opinion.
I remember picking up the 5d, thinking it was so much more solid than the XT or the D50. Glen says the A100 less solid than the XT, but Blemt says that the A100 is similar to the 5d, which is (IMO) built more loidly than either the Canon or Nikon enty level cameras.
Overall, I think everyone in here who has posted an un-educated opinion is now responsible to drop by their local store and report back on how it feels to them instead of assuming that they agree with the OP just because they hate Sony products anyways.
Lets not forget that the KM factory is still running, and branding their cameras Sony. The new lens prices are pretty much the same as they always were from KM I think.
Unless someone has some consumer reports type testing showing that if you drop the Alpha from the same height as a D80 or 30d, and it will break easier than those, then this is all tantamount to sheer sophistry.
Tactile feel is different for everyone, kind of like their choice in camera brands.
If you want to gripe about a shown actual issue with the camera, try the high-ISO chroma noise. This is all getting a bit silly.
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08/22/2006 12:34:42 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
...drop the Alpha from the same height as a D80 or 30d ... |
Good idea, I'm off to my local camera shop to try this out now...
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08/22/2006 12:37:58 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
If you're basing how you feel about the camera you like on the opinion of one outspoken person whos camera of choice rhymes with a fem. hygiene product, then you're pretty lost in the first place.
I said the exact same thing, in almost the exact same way, when I first held the Rebel XT too.. and I stand by my statements. |
There I fixed it for you. 
MattO
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08/22/2006 03:34:51 PM · #57 |
| Hey, I wasn't put out by the opinions stated on this thread. I was playing a game of sarcasm, but I guess I just didn't word it right. As to the camera, I guess I don't understand the "feel" which you speak. Any camera in my hands feels right, even if its just a disposable from cvs. What can I say? I'm versatile. |
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08/22/2006 07:15:26 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
Hey, I wasn't put out by the opinions stated on this thread. I was playing a game of sarcasm, but I guess I just didn't word it right. As to the camera, I guess I don't understand the "feel" which you speak. Any camera in my hands feels right, even if its just a disposable from cvs. What can I say? I'm versatile. |
*I* got your sarcasm. After all, this whole thread was started for fun really. I love trashing what I feel are inferior things :) But I never really have much true animosity behind it.
I had to respond to Bear though, he seemed to be getting a little too serious.
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08/22/2006 07:22:34 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
Hey, I wasn't put out by the opinions stated on this thread. I was playing a game of sarcasm, but I guess I just didn't word it right. As to the camera, I guess I don't understand the "feel" which you speak. Any camera in my hands feels right, even if its just a disposable from cvs. What can I say? I'm versatile. |
*I* got your sarcasm. After all, this whole thread was started for fun really. I love trashing what I feel are inferior things :) But I never really have much true animosity behind it.
I had to respond to Bear though, he seemed to be getting a little too serious. |
I was just protecting June: *I* know your communication style pretty well, but *she* might not have...
R.
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08/22/2006 08:21:39 PM · #60 |
| I find it very strange that a *ist owner would complain about the A100 build quality. I haven't played with the A100 much, but I have a 5D and I have never heard of its build quality being trashed, aside from 7D owners. |
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08/22/2006 08:25:10 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by MrXpress:
I find it very strange that a *ist owner would complain about the A100 build quality. I haven't played with the A100 much, but I have a 5D and I have never heard of its build quality being trashed, aside from 7D owners. |
I think glen was just stirring the pot a bit.
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08/22/2006 08:25:56 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by MrXpress:
I find it very strange that a *ist owner would complain about the A100 build quality. I haven't played with the A100 much, but I have a 5D and I have never heard of its build quality being trashed, aside from 7D owners. |
You find it strange because... why?
Have you ever even *held* a DS?
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08/22/2006 08:37:50 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
You find it strange because... why?
Have you ever even *held* a DS? |
I've held/played with a *ist DL, which AFAIK is almost identical to the DS in terms of build quality, and wasn't terribly impressed with the build of it. In fact, and I have no reason to lie about this, when I started playing with the DL the lady behind the counter remarked "See, Pentax took a great lens and put a point-and-shoot body around it" |
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08/22/2006 08:39:42 PM · #64 |
Stuff Magazine Nikon D80 Review
"First impressions are that this is a hulk of a camera. And it is, but that suits us and our calloused, manly hands, making it fantastically comfortable to grip. It also feels imperturbably solid in build – sturdier than the Canon EOS 350D and making the Sony A100 seem brittle and twiglike."
Confirmation ...
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08/22/2006 08:39:45 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by MrXpress:
Originally posted by Artyste:
You find it strange because... why?
Have you ever even *held* a DS? |
I've held/played with a *ist DL, which AFAIK is almost identical to the DS in terms of build quality, and wasn't terribly impressed with the build of it. In fact, and I have no reason to lie about this, when I started playing with the DL the lady behind the counter remarked "See, Pentax took a great lens and put a point-and-shoot body around it" |
Heh. Wow. Must take a lot to impress you then. However, the DS *is* a lot more solidly built than the DL.
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08/22/2006 08:41:05 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by MrXpress:
Originally posted by Artyste:
You find it strange because... why?
Have you ever even *held* a DS? |
I've held/played with a *ist DL, which AFAIK is almost identical to the DS in terms of build quality, and wasn't terribly impressed with the build of it. In fact, and I have no reason to lie about this, when I started playing with the DL the lady behind the counter remarked "See, Pentax took a great lens and put a point-and-shoot body around it" |
First time DSLR user... and Pentax *ist DL looks feels and acts like million bucks.
Having said that, I have never used other machines yet, but my Pentax certainly does NOT feel cheap... or P&S camera.
GO PENTAX
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08/22/2006 10:04:28 PM · #67 |
| the few Canon copier machines in the office needs servicing and repairs too often, else it would have paper stuck problems and stuff... should I start saying that Canon is a crappy brand? The HP machines are all doing very fine... maybe I should get a HP camera? Come on guys... be happy |
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08/22/2006 10:28:58 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Stuff Magazine Nikon D80 Review
"First impressions are that this is a hulk of a camera. And it is, but that suits us and our calloused, manly hands, making it fantastically comfortable to grip. It also feels imperturbably solid in build – sturdier than the Canon EOS 350D and making the Sony A100 seem brittle and twiglike."
Confirmation ...
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ROFL. Gotta love a camera review by Stuff magazine... :)
But seriously, trashing a camera because it feels light and plasticky is something on the order of saying you don't like a TV because it looks cheap from behind...
There are real disappointments with the Sony A100 and I've really noticed, but Look and Feel?
I often make the comparison of a camera's look and feel to the look and feel of a bicycle.
When you are learning to ride a bike, the style of bike is a major issue. Once you learn how though, you can jump from one to the next without skipping a beat... You don't suddenly forget how to ride a bike just because its shape is different or it's lighter/heavier... And regardless of its shape and weight, you WILL get used to it.
That's why people who know how to take pictures and use a camera don't complain that the camera is too small to take a good picture when they have to use a pocket cam, phone cam, P&S, DSLR or Full-sized pro-DSLR...
Yeesh. |
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08/22/2006 10:37:17 PM · #69 |
| I think some of us just need to be assured that the camera we bought is as good as we want/thought it to be. This statement may also explain half of all the endless canon vs nikon debates out there. |
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08/22/2006 10:38:32 PM · #70 |
I am really new at dslr, and am curious about the disappointments. What did you find to be the most disappointing? Right now, i am just having fun, and of all the cameras I've had this one is the best so far at picture taking. Of course, I don't use a lot of manipulations yet, so I can't really know what is wrong with it. I guess if there is anything that might be classed as a problem, it could be a bit more noise than I would like in low light, but not as much noise,even at 1600 iso, as my Olympus D550Z point and shoot, or the H1 at even iso
400.
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There are real disappointments with the Sony A100 and I've really noticed, but Look and Feel?
That's why people who know how to take pictures and use a camera don't complain that the camera is too small to take a good picture when they have to use a pocket cam, phone cam, P&S, DSLR or Full-sized pro-DSLR...
Yeesh. [/quote]
Message edited by author 2006-08-22 22:38:57. |
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08/22/2006 10:47:27 PM · #71 |
LadyM.
The disappointments I refer to are somewhat minor and hardly worth ranting off on...
As has already been mentioned in this thread, there appears to be a bit of an irritating feature where the back LCD lights up when you touch the shutter release. That would drive me nuts personally.
But performance issues generally relate to noise (which should theoretically be fairly close to the Nikon's profile) and a few reviews have hinted that the AS is closer to two stops rather than three.
I'm still a fan, but dampened somewhat.
They are real disappointments because they indicate areas of performance that shouldn't be that low. Not worth freaking out about though. As you say, the noise isn't THAT bad compared with a P&S... probably liveable, especially if you gently overexpose the shot (doable because of the AS). And heck, two stops of AS on the body is better than no AS in many cases... |
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08/29/2006 07:32:43 PM · #72 |
well this will probably upset some people as well :)
i'm selling my canon 350d and getting a sony a-100.
ladyM i wonder if you could give me a real run down on how the camera is and how it is doing? I have seen your wonderful fish images and was impressed by how good they were.
I have read that when put into manual focus they move the lens to infinity, is this the case? if so this would help loads with astro stuff, also i have read that the IS will not work with lenses that dont send distance or have a maximum focus before infinity (like macro), is this the case as was looking at getting either a simaga or tamron 70-300 macro lens
thank you
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08/29/2006 07:59:23 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by richard42:
well this will probably upset some people as well :)
i'm selling my canon 350d and getting a sony a-100.
ladyM i wonder if you could give me a real run down on how the camera is and how it is doing? I have seen your wonderful fish images and was impressed by how good they were.
I have read that when put into manual focus they move the lens to infinity, is this the case? if so this would help loads with astro stuff, also i have read that the IS will not work with lenses that dont send distance or have a maximum focus before infinity (like macro), is this the case as was looking at getting either a simaga or tamron 70-300 macro lens
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If you haven't used the Sony yet I'd strongly advise not selling your 350D before you do. Its a tough move from the Canon platform to the Sony and I'd say theres a real good chance you'd regret it.
Maybe consider the new Rebel XTi instead?
Hell, you'd even be better off with a Nikon than switching to the Sony.
IMHO the Sony is a joke with a good (and misleading) advertising campaign. |
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08/29/2006 08:11:45 PM · #74 |
for the price i can get for my kit i would like a camera with dust removal and IS on all lenses, with a screen i can see what i have taken, also i am not swayed by the name on the camera, this has no effect on the quality of image, quite interesting to note that sony make the sensors for nikon and the d200 is the same resolution as the a-100!
i do think it is in very bad taste for somebody to come on and start making un-founded comments about hardware, that are probably based on snobbery. we must all remember that every body has a different use for there camera and it must meet there needs. After all, all pictures from the amateur to the professional are subjective.
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08/29/2006 08:12:33 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Count:
IMHO the Sony is a joke with a good (and misleading) advertising campaign. |
Care to share why? |
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