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09/17/2003 02:25:04 PM · #26 |
Why is it so hard to see a good picture from a less good one? This is a place to achieve pictures, not illustrate a book. If the photo fits the challenge just "ok" or "mostly" as one said, then it's enough. The challenges are a context to submit photos. Since we are (for most of us) not professionals and not under contract to achieve a specific goal, minds should be more opened. We need to improve techniques and aesthetic not be psychic and decide if this fits a bit or not enough the challenge. It's the end and global results that counts, no???Arrrrrrrrr, I'm bored with such critics, sorry!
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09/17/2003 02:36:23 PM · #27 |
i suspect it's because people vote as if others' pictures were a threat to their own score and rank.
if i can eliminate or vote down a shot it gets it out of competition with my own.
Originally posted by nathaliedoo:
Why is it so hard to see a good picture from a less good one? This is a place to achieve pictures, not illustrate a book. If the photo fits the challenge just "ok" or "mostly" as one said, then it's enough. The challenges are a context to submit photos. Since we are (for most of us) not professionals and not under contract to achieve a specific goal, minds should be more opened. We need to improve techniques and aesthetic not be psychic and decide if this fits a bit or not enough the challenge. It's the end and global results that counts, no???Arrrrrrrrr, I'm bored with such critics, sorry! |
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09/17/2003 03:20:07 PM · #28 |
Well, then the problem is being a judge in a challenge where you are also competing....somethings wrong.
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
i suspect it's because people vote as if others' pictures were a threat to their own score and rank.
if i can eliminate or vote down a shot it gets it out of competition with my own.
Originally posted by nathaliedoo:
Why is it so hard to see a good picture from a less good one? This is a place to achieve pictures, not illustrate a book. If the photo fits the challenge just "ok" or "mostly" as one said, then it's enough. The challenges are a context to submit photos. Since we are (for most of us) not professionals and not under contract to achieve a specific goal, minds should be more opened. We need to improve techniques and aesthetic not be psychic and decide if this fits a bit or not enough the challenge. It's the end and global results that counts, no???Arrrrrrrrr, I'm bored with such critics, sorry! |
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09/17/2003 03:25:57 PM · #29 |
Yup.
That's why I've suggested subdividing the entrants into groups of shots (like say 100) and then people vote only on the pictures in the othergroups.
At the end you give the ribbons either to the winners of the separate groups -- or you have those winners go in a play off.
People said this was not a good idea that nothing needed to change.
So that was that :)
Originally posted by nathaliedoo:
Well, then the problem is being a judge in a challenge where you are also competing....somethings wrong.
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
i suspect it's because people vote as if others' pictures were a threat to their own score and rank.
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09/17/2003 04:00:38 PM · #30 |
I love this idea!
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
Yup.
That's why I've suggested subdividing the entrants into groups of shots (like say 100) and then people vote only on the pictures in the othergroups.
At the end you give the ribbons either to the winners of the separate groups -- or you have those winners go in a play off.
People said this was not a good idea that nothing needed to change.
So that was that :) |
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09/17/2003 07:25:27 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
My major problem/concern is about the current voting system.
I have the impression that it really doesn't work well like as it should.
I don't care if a better voting system would give me one million of ribbons or two billion of 1s.
I just would like to see the best 30 or 40 pics on top and that, IMO, is not happening.
Maybe I am real wrong because the problem does not have a solution, but you can bet that I will try my shot at it. =) |
Maybe the problem is that the best 30 or 40 pics come out at or near the top, and *you* just don't get it. :) Maybe you need to spend a little more time reviewing the top 30 or 40 pictures, and come to an appreciation for what it is that so many other people saw in them that you're missing. Maybe? |
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09/17/2003 07:32:06 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Maybe the problem is that the best 30 or 40 pics come out at or near the top, and *you* just don't get it. :) Maybe you need to spend a little more time reviewing the top 30 or 40 pictures, and come to an appreciation for what it is that so many other people saw in them that you're missing. Maybe? |
Why does it sound to me like if I should be in church praying and, maybe, even lightning a candle? No thanks.
I'll leave that pleasures to you. =)
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09/17/2003 07:58:58 PM · #33 |
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09/17/2003 08:26:27 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
huh? |
I am spending my time here, Scott...
..and you are suggesting me a "religious" study of the first 30/40 pics not considering that the credibility of the competition falls down totally when the blue ribbon is DQed AFTER it has been announced as reigning champion...
And there are reasons/statistics that raise the suspect that the number of fakes is greater and spreading.
What should I learn then? How to cheat?
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09/17/2003 09:15:26 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
And there are reasons/statistics that raise the suspect that the number of fakes is greater and spreading.
What should I learn then? How to cheat? |
The winning entry was quite correctly DQed because it was recognised as being taken outwith the dates. Rather than just making up random, unsubstantiated alligations against every other shot in the challenges (which you did, whether you thought you are or not) why not use the established mechanisms that have been put in place to address these ?
Your posts increasingly make me feel that you are one of the trolls you are so passionate about. If all you have to contribute is fear and mistrust, why bother ?
The DQ of the winner is a prime example of the checks and balances that are in place working, no matter how you feel that everyone else must be cheating to beat you. |
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09/17/2003 10:04:17 PM · #36 |
| Whoa, Antonio, go lie down and get some rest... :) I don't know where religion came from, but what I was suggesting was simply that maybe your efforts would be better spent studying some of the higher-placing photos and discovering what they may have done right that appeals to people. Sort of like studing the masters in an art class. (Not that many, if any, of us here are masters.) You never know, you might learn something. |
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