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07/31/2006 11:28:14 PM · #1 |
Wires gone saloon?
//eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html (warning - images of dead bodies of kids)
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 23:42:57.
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07/31/2006 11:38:29 PM · #2 |
| i don't have time at the moment to do more than read the post, but it left me sickened and disgusted. absolutely disgusted. |
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07/31/2006 11:41:59 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
i don't have time at the moment to do more than read the post, but it left me sickened and disgusted. absolutely disgusted. |
my apologies, i should have added a warning
sorry
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08/01/2006 06:23:12 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by zerocusa:
Originally posted by skiprow:
i don't have time at the moment to do more than read the post, but it left me sickened and disgusted. absolutely disgusted. |
my apologies, i should have added a warning
sorry |
no need to apologize. i truly appreciate your sharing the link. what disgusts me is not not the imagery, but the story. it's crap like that that absolutely robs photojournalism of credibility. if true, what those photographers have been doing is utterly revolting!
your warning should read "warning, images of dead bodies of kids BEING USED AS PUPPETS"
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08/01/2006 06:39:32 AM · #5 |
Oh my God - this is the low of the low. It saddens, horrifies, and disgusts me that this was done. It is most unfortunate, though, that it does not *shock* me that this was done.
Good, albeit extremely disturbing, link. For those who haven't followed the link: heed Skip's warning.
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08/01/2006 06:46:05 AM · #6 |
Incredibly disgusting.
And again i'm referring to the 'photographers'.
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08/01/2006 06:59:37 AM · #7 |
A few points that come from a careful reading of that blog, and associated posts:
1. You cannot know what happened there, especially from that blog. If the 'rescue worker' was staging those incidents, and the photographers were just there shooting, the results would be the same. Which is not to condone the use of the bodies of those children, just to ask who was actually doing the staging?
2. Have any of you worked in a war zone? Or even a riot? Or even a fight? Or even anywhere near a bomb? Are you sure that it is a calm and considered environment in which you're aware of all the tricks people hunting publicity/propaganda images from press photographers might pull? I haven't, and reserve my judgement.
3. I have shot at a large public protest - a very calm, very orderly one. Even then, it is impossible to know who is there for what reason.
4. That blog is highly pro-Israeli in this conflict. It is making an argument that the EU is anti-Israeli. It makes the argument that Hizbollah deliberately provoked that attack on that school in Qana. Personally, I have no opinion as to whether that is correct or not.
5. Much of that argument relies on the timings of shots issues by the agencies. We don't know where those timings come from - upload to agency time? EXIF? upload to photographers laptop?
6. Try this: buy five different serious newspapers, and read their accounts of the same event (any event, it doesn't matter). Then stay certain that everything you read is perfectly accurate.
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08/03/2006 11:25:33 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by e301:
A few points that come from a careful reading of that blog, and associated posts |
excellent points, ed. this whole thing bothers me enough that i am going to make time to work through this. i've actually heard this specific situation being discussed/debated in a few other places, so it probably does have some merit.
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08/03/2006 11:34:09 AM · #9 |
I was wondering if this was going to end up here. I saw the same blog yesterday (two days ago?). It's definitely biased, but this isn't the only place I've read about staged photographs by terrorists.
I wonder how anyone could be so willing to use a dead infant as a prop like this. I don't mean to cheapen the death of the child - if anything, those parading the body around are the ones doing that.
Even if it is staged, these people's crassness doesn't remove the horror of what is happening over there, both in Lebanon and in Israel. |
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08/06/2006 01:04:32 PM · #10 |
Now Reuters has pulled a photo for obvious manipulation....
ya think?
If you're going to manipulate, at least do a good job....
//www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3286966,00.html
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08/06/2006 01:21:05 PM · #11 |
There are very obvious factual holes in that article. I don't want to go through them one by one, but you should be careful. Just as the article claims that the photographers were manipulated or are manipulating their audience, so is that article trying to manipulate you and your sensiblities. I have worked in news videography for years and I have to say that there is A LOT of confusion in a scene like that. Exact times are hard to reckon. Plus, rescue workers will often pause. I think we all know of the photo of the firefighter holding the boy after the Oklahoma City bombing. That firefighter paused breifly for Jim Argo to take the picture. In fact he paused so long that 3 other photographers had a chance to run to that spot and get almost identical shots. There was a lawsuit about it later. Just be careful, and don't be a political pawn this article was made to change public opinion not to make an editiorial discussion about photography practices.
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08/07/2006 01:08:16 PM · #12 |
| in a related vein...i haven't had time to completely research this, but one of the editors i work with told me about it, and this is the first article i was able to find. reuter's admits to publishing doctored photo. |
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08/07/2006 02:22:40 PM · #13 |
a bit of fuel for the fire...
//www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000903.html
ETA: now i don't care who you are, this one is funny...
//www.daybydaycartoon.com/2006/08/07/#a003738
Message edited by author 2006-08-07 14:41:06.
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08/08/2006 09:42:31 AM · #14 |
some more links for discussion (thanks to the posters in the other threads)
cnn
bbc
bbc editorial
a related story about another photog who got fired for doctoring photos pdn online (there was another thread discussing this, but don't have the link) |
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08/08/2006 09:58:52 AM · #15 |
Staging has been a part of photojournalism since practically its birth. You could argue that Matthew Brady and Alexander Gardner were some of the first "photojournalists", both famous for thier pictures of the American Civil War. Of course back then they didnt call it photojournalism and the use of photography to shoot current events was still a new science. But the point is, there is documented evidence that they both would pose dead soldiers and plant equipment as props in order to make a more dramatic picture.
Thats not to excuse the behavior, but just to point out that photography basically started with the idea of manipulating the image to soot the photographers vision.
I have always been of the opinion that the act of pressing the shutter and taking the picture changes the perception of an event anyway, and that its just the first step in manipulating an image and distorting reality. |
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08/08/2006 10:03:12 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
(there was another thread discussing this, but don't have the link) |
Here? |
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08/08/2006 10:08:54 AM · #17 |
Here is an analysis of why the conspiracy theories need to be taken with a pinch of salt.
//blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/shanerichmond/aug06/alteredimages.htm
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08/08/2006 10:11:02 AM · #18 |
This issue has also been discussed here (although it is becoming a bit more political).
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=438372
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 10:11:52.
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08/08/2006 10:12:43 AM · #19 |
thanks for the link. i never saw that, because, well, i have RANTS turned off ;-)
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08/08/2006 10:18:37 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
thanks for the link. i never saw that, because, well, i have RANTS turned off ;-)
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As do I. And after reading half of just one post, I remember why. |
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08/08/2006 01:26:13 PM · #21 |
There appears here to be a degree of collusion between photographers and subjects, though it is not clear if it is tacit or spoken.
It is clear that there is a propaganda war going on, and it is being waged heavily by both sides: truth being the first casualty of war.
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08/09/2006 08:45:37 AM · #22 |
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08/11/2006 10:21:04 AM · #23 |
here's another article, this one found by karmabreeze
slate |
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08/11/2006 10:36:47 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by e301:
A few points that come from a careful reading of that blog, and associated posts:
1. You cannot know what happened there, especially from that blog. If the 'rescue worker' was staging those incidents, and the photographers were just there shooting, the results would be the same. Which is not to condone the use of the bodies of those children, just to ask who was actually doing the staging?
2. Have any of you worked in a war zone? Or even a riot? Or even a fight? Or even anywhere near a bomb? Are you sure that it is a calm and considered environment in which you're aware of all the tricks people hunting publicity/propaganda images from press photographers might pull? I haven't, and reserve my judgement.
3. I have shot at a large public protest - a very calm, very orderly one. Even then, it is impossible to know who is there for what reason.
4. That blog is highly pro-Israeli in this conflict. It is making an argument that the EU is anti-Israeli. It makes the argument that Hizbollah deliberately provoked that attack on that school in Qana. Personally, I have no opinion as to whether that is correct or not.
5. Much of that argument relies on the timings of shots issues by the agencies. We don't know where those timings come from - upload to agency time? EXIF? upload to photographers laptop?
6. Try this: buy five different serious newspapers, and read their accounts of the same event (any event, it doesn't matter). Then stay certain that everything you read is perfectly accurate.
Ed |
There are videos of that photographer directing people and other people while "staging" the bodies for the shoot...and parading them for the public. This is the modern day liberal media...paint america and israel in the worst light possible, even if it meens handling and posing dead children. |
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08/12/2006 01:57:28 AM · #25 |
| I cant believe all these zionest and israeli sites are trying to justify all the murdering and casualities in lebenanon. |
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