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08/01/2006 03:03:40 PM · #701 |
Well he had one trick up his sleeve that got past the SC for a long time. If he has two arms, He has two sleeves.
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
... I can't help but wonder what tactics he used to produce the quality work? ... |
That's one thing that is pretty tough to get past SC/Admins of this site, especially on ribbon winning images (rightfully earned or not), as the top 5 images are automatically subjected to a validation request.
edited to clarify the validation wording. |
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08/01/2006 03:06:05 PM · #702 |
Oh I do understand..
And yes, I am Rikki's sister..
I saw all of his challenges, and I never voted for one because frankly, I never saw the need to browse other people's work. His was the only one I wanted to see and that's why I registered.
It's a sad sad thing, when all you want to do is view and admire great pictures and yet all you mighty ones blast those who do.
Must be sad that you don't have families that rally behind you. |
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08/01/2006 03:06:09 PM · #703 |
Originally posted by mycelium:
I wonder if Rikki is following this thread.
I wonder how it would feel to be discussed at length for days on end without being able to say anything. |
I hope it would feel as bad as some of the people feel that trusted him and looked up to him. |
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08/01/2006 03:06:23 PM · #704 |
I posted this one because I thought the first one hadn't gone through. anyway my bad, I think.
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
... I can't help but wonder what tactics he used to produce the quality work? ... |
That's one thing that is pretty tough to get past SC/Admins of this site, especially on ribbon winning images (rightfully earned or not), as the top 5 images are automatically subjected to a validation request.
edited to clarify the validation wording. |
Message edited by author 2006-08-01 15:07:12.
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08/01/2006 03:07:02 PM · #705 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by yellowdaisy:
Let he hasn't done anything wrong cast the first stone...
This is the epitome of those who cannot muster seeing someone else excel in his craft. |
Oooh...I think I spotted a ghost!!!! |
Lets not accuse people of things shall we? The ghost accounts have all been suspended. Besides, this person has never cast a vote! Maybe an apology is in order? |
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08/01/2006 03:07:49 PM · #706 |
Originally posted by yellowdaisy:
It's a sad sad thing, when all you want to do is view and admire great pictures and yet all you mighty ones blast those who do. |
I think you're missing the actual issue. Perhaps you should read the first post or have Rikki explain it to you in further detail. |
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08/01/2006 03:10:41 PM · #707 |
I have watched this thread for a while now.....
Rikki cheated, he turned himself in and its over. I don't know, none of us know, if guilt got him or what. He is paying his price now. He has been banned from a community of great people, some of which he had the honor of calling friends. Some of them are now lost, for forever perhaps. High price to pay for a little ribbon that sat on a webpage. He has to deal with his own demons now, Alone. I don't hold any ill will for him, I feel sorry for him. He needed the ?glory? that came at the end of a competition. Needed it so badly he didn't stop to think about people being hurt by it. That's sad in and of itself.
That said, about others that may cheat. Maybe now that this thread is here, and they have read it, they will stop or leave to. I know as long as competitions exist, cheaters will. However I cannot believe that they exist on some mass scale. One or two maybe, or even the occasional cheater to boost their score on what they see as just the perfect shot.
Now, I will prolly piss folks off with this statement but I hope not because its not ment bad at all. This is a tough crowd to compete with and too. If folks are smart instead of cheating, take what you can from your loss and learn. There is alot to learn from losing. More so then from cheating.
Thats all folks.
May all your shots be right on the money and may all your work in Photoshop be truly art. |
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08/01/2006 03:12:21 PM · #708 |
Originally posted by mycelium:
I wonder if Rikki is following this thread.
I wonder how it would feel to be discussed at length for days on end without being able to say anything. |
I assume this is more painful for him than any ban of any length of time. In fact, as far as I'm concerned this is probably punishment enough on top of the 1 year ban.
The embarassment he feels, I'd bet a million is burning a hole in his stomach and his head. That low feeling is a killer... |
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08/01/2006 03:12:52 PM · #709 |
Originally posted by yellowdaisy:
Let he hasn't done anything wrong cast the first stone...
This is the epitome of those who cannot muster seeing someone else excel in his craft. |
Part of the problem is we do not know the whole story. How did it start, why was it allowed to continue for a year? I can understand still loving him, but at least admit there was something wrong with this whole situation. I honestly don't think it has to do with members of this site being jealous of his talent. |
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08/01/2006 03:15:34 PM · #710 |
Originally posted by HBunch:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by yellowdaisy:
Let he hasn't done anything wrong cast the first stone...
This is the epitome of those who cannot muster seeing someone else excel in his craft. |
Oooh...I think I spotted a ghost!!!! |
Lets not accuse people of things shall we? The ghost accounts have all been suspended. Besides, this person has never cast a vote! Maybe an apology is in order? |
You're right!
My apologies. I shouldn't have made light of things after one quick view of her profile. |
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08/01/2006 03:15:55 PM · #711 |
Originally posted by liltritter:
I have watched this thread for a while now.....
Rikki cheated, he turned himself in and its over. I don't know, none of us know, if guilt got him or what. He is paying his price now. He has been banned from a community of great people, some of which he had the honor of calling friends. Some of them are now lost, for forever perhaps. High price to pay for a little ribbon that sat on a webpage. He has to deal with his own demons now, Alone. I don't hold any ill will for him, I feel sorry for him. He needed the ?glory? that came at the end of a competition. Needed it so badly he didn't stop to think about people being hurt by it. That's sad in and of itself.
That said, about others that may cheat. Maybe now that this thread is here, and they have read it, they will stop or leave to. I know as long as competitions exist, cheaters will. However I cannot believe that they exist on some mass scale. One or two maybe, or even the occasional cheater to boost their score on what they see as just the perfect shot.
Now, I will prolly piss folks off with this statement but I hope not because its not ment bad at all. This is a tough crowd to compete with and too. If folks are smart instead of cheating, take what you can from your loss and learn. There is alot to learn from losing. More so then from cheating.
Thats all folks.
May all your shots be right on the money and may all your work in Photoshop be truly art. |
I think he was caught by the SC. Had he turned himself in he probabaly wouldn't be hit so hard in this forum. The way I understand it, after he was caught, he apologized and asked that his profile be removed.
SC - correct me if I am wrong. |
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08/01/2006 03:18:10 PM · #712 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
...to truly restore the credibility; they need to purge the votes from the offending parties. |
[opinion]I think the rationale behind NOT tossing all of the friend votes went something like this: An enthusiastic member encourages his buddies to participate in or at least vote on the challenges. They oblige and vote as anyone else would, with the sole exception that they knew which entry was their his and gave him an artificially high vote (whether requested or not). They may have voted on the the other entries fairly and with due consideration, but only went as far as they needed to for their votes to count. While it's certainly possible that they just skimmed through, there's nothing in the voting record to suggest that was the case, and we tend to give the benefit of the doubt. They still gave 10's to top-placing images and low votes to low-placing images. Tossing ALL of those votes might only create more havoc, dragging down even more entries or ribbons not normally affected by a DQ behind them.[/opinion] |
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08/01/2006 03:19:42 PM · #713 |
Originally posted by liltritter:
I have watched this thread for a while now.....
Rikki cheated, he turned himself in and its over. |
I edited the above quote for brevity. As i understand the situation, Rikki did not turn himself in. He was caught, busted, collared - that's when he decided to apologize and leave the site. Not at any point in time before that. If he had, he might have been able to retain some dignity and more respect from the DPC community. |
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08/01/2006 03:19:57 PM · #714 |
[quote]
I think he was caught by the SC. Had he turned himself in he probabaly wouldn't be hit so hard in this forum. The way I understand it, after he was caught, he apologized and asked that his profile be removed.
SC - correct me if I am wrong. [/quote]
either way, the price is high. And I am not talking the ban. |
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08/01/2006 03:21:13 PM · #715 |
i am talking about tracking the progression of a trend. i would assume that each landmark image you so kindly vote a 10 would likely come from a variety of photographers. if it so happens that they all do originate from the same photographer - you're votes would be flagged, and your reasoning questioned. if it is only this one instance of coincidence the flag would be dropped. if every toronto photographer consistently received only 9's & 10's from you - then you'd probably face the same fate...
Originally posted by StrikeSlip:
Typically, if I see a Toronto-area landmark in a contest, I vote it a 10, even though I don't know who's it is. I'm not sure how many Toronto area photogs are here. A pretty fair number, though. Tough titties. Toronto landmarks get 10's from me.
:-P |
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08/01/2006 03:27:27 PM · #716 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
...if I see a Toronto-area landmark in a contest, I vote it a 10... Tough titties. Toronto landmarks get 10's from me. :-P |
You might be a LLORT! |
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08/01/2006 03:30:21 PM · #717 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
...if I see a Toronto-area landmark in a contest, I vote it a 10... Tough titties. Toronto landmarks get 10's from me. :-P |
You might be a LLORT! |
LOL, OK, I'll bite... What's an LLORT? :-D
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08/01/2006 03:31:27 PM · #718 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
...if I see a Toronto-area landmark in a contest, I vote it a 10... Tough titties. Toronto landmarks get 10's from me. :-P |
You might be a LLORT! |
LOL, OK, I'll bite... What's an LLORT? :-D |
Spell it backwards...
R.
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08/01/2006 03:32:15 PM · #719 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
...if I see a Toronto-area landmark in a contest, I vote it a 10... Tough titties. Toronto landmarks get 10's from me. :-P |
You might be a LLORT! |
heheheeeee
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08/01/2006 03:33:20 PM · #720 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
...to truly restore the credibility; they need to purge the votes from the offending parties. |
[opinion]I think the rationale behind NOT tossing all of the friend votes went something like this: An enthusiastic member encourages his buddies to participate in or at least vote on the challenges. They oblige and vote as anyone else would, with the sole exception that they knew which entry was their his and gave him an artificially high vote (whether requested or not). They may have voted on the the other entries fairly and with due consideration, but only went as far as they needed to for their votes to count. While it's certainly possible that they just skimmed through, there's nothing in the voting record to suggest that was the case, and we tend to give the benefit of the doubt. They still gave 10's to top-placing images and low votes to low-placing images. Tossing ALL of those votes might only create more havoc, dragging down even more entries or ribbons not normally affected by a DQ behind them.[/opinion] |
I understand the rationale completely. Really, I do.
To really come to that conclusion the SC would have to analyze each and every challenge and ghost account, see who they were voting for, see if there are other connections, etc. Just as likely as the scenario you lay out is that Rikki was directing the votes, or even voting himself, trying very cleverly to cover his tracks. The only thing he couldn't mask was the disproportionate amount of 10 votes on his own images, and that is what ultimately lead to him getting caught.
The point is we do not know. We may never know for sure. We do know this, if the deleted accounts votes are disallowed, then they have had no effect on the results of the challenges.
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08/01/2006 03:33:45 PM · #721 |
Doh! I think by the backwards spelling he means the opposite of a Troll? :-P
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08/01/2006 03:35:57 PM · #722 |
I saw this in another thread and INSTANTLY thought of this one.
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08/01/2006 03:37:19 PM · #723 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by hokie:
Rikki got over competetive, like a lot of people on this site, and used whatever tools at his disposal to improve his odds. He got caught.
I see an example of this behaviour in every challenge, I have even got over-zealous with the burn and dodge tool and paid the price.
If you try to slip a few extra clone strokes by the rules, if you share your photos with others before the challenges, if you have you wife and kids voting in blocks or photo teams....it's all the same in different measures. You want an edge. |
Hm, have to take serious exception to this. I would like to think that the majority of participants make every effort to abide the rules, not skirt or bend them at every opportunity.
I would also like to think that you would submit a ticket when you see an example, as you state in every challenge, of someone using whatever tools at his/her disposal to improve his/her odds while trying not to get caught. It's disappointing in the extreme that someone with that kind of information would not want to protect the integrity of the competition.
Yes, I must take exception at the suggestion that everyone would do the same to a greater or lesser degree. That's a very cynical attitude.
edit: fix quoting |
Once again, I did not say everyone would do it.
I said a lot of people get over competetive, not
all or most. Why do people continue to read posts in absolutes when there were no words to say such?
My point about cheating in every challenge stands. I define cheating as...
1) Sharing your photo with others that can vote. Regardless of what most people say...people you know and like will vote you better than people you don't know. Disagree all you want.
2) Skilled photoshop users know how to accomplish edits that look perfectly legal and, for all intents and purposes, are not really unfair but use techniques that byt the letter of the rules are illegal.
3) Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for breaking the rules and is no less guilty, regardles of what some think. Tell you what. Next time you get caught speeding tell the State Trooper you didn't know you were in a 45 mph zone when he clocks you at 65. lets see how many let you off.
Now, just because I listed what I think is cheating don't assume I want everyone strung up based on this. I am just saying, with the rules as they are, these are cheating offenses.
You see...I am the kind of guy that says if you are taking payments under the table without paying taxes..you are just as guilty of tax evasion as the big guys. Have I ever done this? Yep. Would I turn someone in that I knew did this? Nope. Does this make me a criminal? Perhaps.
Message edited by author 2006-08-01 15:40:10. |
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08/01/2006 03:45:51 PM · #724 |
Originally posted by soup:
i am talking about tracking the progression of a trend. i would assume that each landmark image you so kindly vote a 10 would likely come from a variety of photographers. if it so happens that they all do originate from the same photographer - you're votes would be flagged, and your reasoning questioned. if it is only this one instance of coincidence the flag would be dropped. if every toronto photographer consistently received only 9's & 10's from you - then you'd probably face the same fate...
Originally posted by StrikeSlip:
Typically, if I see a Toronto-area landmark in a contest, I vote it a 10, even though I don't know who's it is. I'm not sure how many Toronto area photogs are here. A pretty fair number, though. Tough titties. Toronto landmarks get 10's from me.
:-P |
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The friends/family voting support for Rikki was an aberration. I believe we need to assume good intentions of members and voters until there is reason to assume otherwise.
I could vote a "10" for every Philadelphia landmark that I see that fits the challenge because it evokes an emotional response from me. My one vote is not going to make a difference. |
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08/01/2006 03:55:07 PM · #725 |
Originally posted by hokie:
1) Sharing your photo with others that can vote. |
You actually SEE this in every challenge? Breaking anonymity is strongly discouraged, but not against the rules. As such, revealing your entry to another person is not cheating, but influencing the scores is. If you ask someone to vote your image high or show it to lots of people likely to demonstrate favoritism, then that's a problem, but shooting next to another DPCer or letting a spouse watch you edit doesn't qualify as cheating IMO.
Originally posted by hokie:
2) Skilled photoshop users know how to accomplish edits that look perfectly legal... |
Skilled SC members know how to spot them. Again, you SEE "edits that look perfectly legal" in every challenge?
Originally posted by hokie:
3) Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for breaking the rules and is no less guilty |
Ignorance and mistakes will result in a penalty, but accidentally entering the wrong challenge, or failing to interpret the rules when you barely understand English isn't the same as cheating. That implies an intent.
IMHO, someone who claims to see cheating in every challenge, but doesn't report any foul play is just arm waving and/or rumor mongering.
Message edited by author 2006-08-01 15:57:40. |
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