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07/21/2006 10:34:34 PM · #26 |
I think the policy is so that all photographers that makes money from photos taken their are treated the same.
If they do a "Sports Illustrated" shoot at that location the rules are adhered to them as well as someone shooting stock photos. Precedence is the important thing, so one guy won't said "how come they get special treatment" and so forth.
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07/21/2006 10:42:55 PM · #27 |
I know it doesn't fix the issue, but why don't you try shooting at a smaller beach? They'll be less people, and you can avoid the fines. There's got to be someplace else you can go in California.
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07/21/2006 10:51:05 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by TroyMosley:
well, why dont that charge pro surfers to surf at the beach, or huge families who take up 20 yards of the beach, or roller bladers and bikers from taking up the side walks,
all i want to do is take a damm picture, why should i have to pay 150 bucks a day to do that,
bullshit,
and i did write the editor of the local paper, hopefully it gets published, |
I totally agree!!!
I don't think it matters what you're doing or where you do it, if you are making money at it, the gov't wants a piece. period! All the reasons given are just lame excuses to get it. If people don't want you doing it, they can just forbid it. |
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07/21/2006 10:53:43 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by moniepenny:
I know it doesn't fix the issue, but why don't you try shooting at a smaller beach? They'll be less people, and you can avoid the fines. There's got to be someplace else you can go in California. |
I definetly will look for a new location know, its just this place has great rocks and a low tide,
oh well, i will find another place to shoot, but its still a problem, i am a single companie makeing maybe 200 bucks off a shoot, how can i afford to pay the fines and stuff,
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07/21/2006 11:12:29 PM · #30 |
| I don't think I would give up without a fight Troy. I would go to court with the first ticket and argue that I am being deined the right to enjoy the beach in a way I like, just as the sun bathers do. Who ever made the rule that beaches were only for sun bathing? |
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07/22/2006 12:07:15 AM · #31 |
check out this site Troy - might have some helpful info.
//www.largeformatphotography.info/photo-permits/ |
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07/22/2006 12:17:48 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
I don't think I would give up without a fight Troy. I would go to court with the first ticket and argue that I am being deined the right to enjoy the beach in a way I like, just as the sun bathers do. Who ever made the rule that beaches were only for sun bathing? |
Fighting that in court would require time and resources than I think poor Troy is willing commit. We're talking about something that would at least have to make it to state level supreme court before it had a chance of being shot down.
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07/22/2006 12:24:20 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by MacClavey:
check out this site Troy - might have some helpful info.
//www.largeformatphotography.info/photo-permits/ |
Geeze, no kidding: here's the info on Orange County (where Newport Beach is) from the above site —
Orange County
Sec. 5-3-337 of the Orange County Codified Ordinances requires a permit for all still photography on County property; however, Sec. 5-3-338 exempts photography that is solely for private use. A link to the online version of the Codified Ordinances is available on the Orange County web site.
To issue a permit, the County require a certificate of insurance indicating general liability coverage of $1,000,000, and an endorsement naming the County of Orange and the State of California as additional insured. The County require some specific language, on both the insurance certificate and the endorsement, that many other agencies do not require, and that may not be included on standard insurance forms. These requirements are described in the insurance instructions; the photographer's insurance carrier should read the instructions carefully. Permit forms and insurance instructions are available on the County Property Permits web site.
Processing a permit application requires a minimum of three days if the photographer has a certificate of insurance on file with the County, and a minimum of seven days otherwise.
The fee for still photography is $150 per day, with a $500 surety deposit. The fee is good for any location in the County, provided that all locations are listed on the permit application and appropriate arrangements have been made with County personnel responsible for those locations. An annual permit for portrait photography is available for $150 plus a $500 surety deposit.
Photography in County harbors, beaches, and parks requires that arrangements be made with the Supervising Park Ranger or other designated personnel 48 hours in advance of the activity; this requirement applies to a photographer with an annual permit as well as to a photographer with a day permit. Information about County parks, including contact information, is available on the Orange County Harbors, Beaches, and Parks web site.
Contact Carolyn Uribe, carolyn.uribe@pfrd.ocgov.com, or (714) 834-5238, for additional information.
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07/22/2006 12:29:29 AM · #34 |
I never have any problems at Philadelphia waterworks... or any other state park for that matter.
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07/22/2006 12:50:26 AM · #35 |
From the L.A. Times article on this "crackdown":
For years, photographers have used the inspirational bluffs, rocky coastline and picturesque arch of the pocket beach to frame life's treasured moments: wedding shots, anniversary poses, multigenerational family photos.
But now officials are cracking down, handing out citations to professional photographers like Olivares who fail to buy a city permit. The move comes amid increasing complaints from beachgoers and residents in the ultra-tony Corona del Mar neighborhood who say a growing number of photo shoots are infringing on the tiny beach's calm and are damaging sensitive tide pools.
"At times you can find 10 to 15 photographers down there â€Â¦ sometimes more. We've had verbal exchanges when one photographer is staking out their plot and they feel other photographers are infringing," said Glen Everroad, Newport Beach revenue manager. "We felt we needed to get a better handle on this."
Some blame digital technology, which can make one with a point-and-shoot look like a pro. Greg Figge, whose family has run a commercial photography business in Newport Beach for 34 years, says the surge in popularity of Little Corona as a backdrop in recent years has forced him to take clients elsewhere.
"It's kind of a circus down there," said Figge, who recently witnessed two photographers getting into a shoving match while jockeying for position in Little Corona's tide pools.
Technoshroom posted the link in another thread: L. A. Times
It will require you to register, but it's fast and free.
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07/22/2006 12:52:58 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It will require you to register, but it's fast and free. |
Yeah, forgot about that, once you register they never ask you to sign in again so you forget you have to. You'll want to use your junk mail account to sign up because they send "LA Times Admail". |
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07/22/2006 12:58:46 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It will require you to register, but it's fast and free. |
Yeah, forgot about that, once you register they never ask you to sign in again so you forget you have to. You'll want to use your junk mail account to sign up because they send "LA Times Admail". |
Or use someone else's. Just go to //www.bugmenot.com/ and put the url of the site you want access to and presto you'll get a bunch of logins that work.
Message edited by author 2006-07-22 00:59:32. |
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07/22/2006 01:02:38 AM · #38 |
| Anyone that pays that kind of tax/fee is nuts. Time to impeach some local government leaders. Another reason not to visit California to me. |
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07/22/2006 01:08:04 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
Anyone that pays that kind of tax/fee is nuts. Time to impeach some local government leaders. Another reason not to visit California to me. |
It's not just California; it's happening all over. For example, such laws have been in place on the national level, for national forests, national parks, etc, for quite some time.
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07/22/2006 01:09:42 AM · #40 |
This is definitely not a NEW ordinance in most places. Hotdog or soda vendors on a public beach (or public place of any kind) have to get licenses to do business there. Why should photographers be any different?
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07/22/2006 01:11:25 AM · #41 |
So if I read that correctly, our boy Troy could get an annual permit for $150 and then use the beach as much as he wanted with a 48 hr advance reservation. That doesn't sound nearly as bad as $150 for a daily permit as was mentioned in the OP, especially if you have a serious portrait business goin.
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07/22/2006 01:14:55 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
So if I read that correctly, our boy Troy could get an annual permit for $150 and then use the beach as much as he wanted with a 48 hr advance reservation. That doesn't sound nearly as bad as $150 for a daily permit as was mentioned in the OP, especially if you have a serious portrait business goin. |
Actually sounds quite reasonable.
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07/22/2006 01:39:12 AM · #43 |
I have never done that kind of shooting but from what the newspaper article said I think I'd be looking for a less crowded place myself. How well can a photographer interact with the model when there are a half dozen or more photogrpahers with their models on the same beach, maybe some of them waiting impatiently to use the same area you are using?
Things aren't as bad here on the East Coast, probably because we don't have the movie industry in the neighborhood, but there is starting to be enough usage that regulation is on the horizon. Last summer at my favorite beach town there was a new outfit that employed about 4 or 5 young women in bikinis as photograpers assigned to roam the beachs looking for customers. They were charging pretty low prices ($10 for a 8x10), the girls would shoot you right there on the sand, and you could pick up your finished print in about an hour at their boardwalk storefront. When they saw me walking the beach with my 20D w/300mm lens hanging around my neck one of them went to a lifeguard who then questioned me about what I was shooting and was I a professional.
It's probaly going to get worse for amateur photogs. Just another part of the digital revolution.
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07/22/2006 02:23:08 AM · #44 |
| Holy crap! Wow, and I didn't know any of this a week ago when I shot a very recent beach-related challenge at the aforementioned Corona Del Mar... ;) I did see some other photogs there (one shooting wedding photos) and didn't think anything of it. I think that permit is bullshit... |
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07/22/2006 03:26:19 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by cutlassdude70:
I think that permit is bullshit... |
I disagree. They exempt personal photography and only apply the fee to commercial. For the most part they haven't been strict about collecting the fees. It's only after the photographers had made themselves a nuisance that you see them cracking down. If people were respectful and nice we wouldn't now be having to worry about being hassled. |
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08/08/2006 07:21:08 PM · #46 |
yep, still nothing, i havent heard anything about this since but i am going to find another beach, something more seclusive,
lol,
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