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07/19/2006 02:21:49 PM · #53

Originally posted by digitalknight:

My intention with the challenges is to get some feedback on my image. Once that's done I should have the option of ending my challenge expereience and look forward to more in the future - while also reducing the number of entries voters need to vote on.

Sorry, but that's just not how contests work. If you want feedback and then to just quit when you're good and ready, let me introduce you to the individual photograph discussion forum. But you don't get to enter a contest and then just pull out when you've decided you've had enough or you don't like what people are saying.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

07/19/2006 02:38:02 PM · #54

There's an option on the preferences page to turn off scores. It works really well on those weeks when you don't want to watch your mediocre or worse shot stay where it is or fall. I use it frequently... :-)

digitalknight

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

07/19/2006 02:48:46 PM · #55

Originally posted by mk:

Sorry, but that's just not how contests work.

I understand this point - hence my suggestion that we change it.

And if you think that the Individual Photo forum is the same as a challenge, you haven't posted to the IP forum for a while.

Melethia - I know I could turn it off - that point was made on page one. It's not the same - the entry is still THERE - just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not THERE. You see? It still calls to you...

WHY do we need to be in for the WHOLE week - just because that's the way it always has been? Is THIS a reason? For a bunch of right-brained artists you sure are resistent to change.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/19/2006 02:50:20 PM · #56

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

I was only using the ribbon winners as an example. I would also respect the oppinion of someone that has a row of 7's or even high 6's in their top rated photos...

This is not the first time I've heard this kind of attitude. I think there should be a checkbox on a person's profile that says "The higher someone's DPC score is, the more I respect their opinion." I will GLADLY avoid such people and neither vote nor comment on their pictures.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/19/2006 02:51:19 PM · #57

Originally posted by digitalknight:

For a bunch of right-brained artists you sure are resistent to change.

Where are the right-brained artists? Please show me the way!

07/19/2006 02:51:50 PM · #58

Originally posted by digitalknight:

Originally posted by mk:
Sorry, but that's just not how contests work.

I understand this point - hence my suggestion that we change it.

And if you think that the Individual Photo forum is the same as a challenge, you haven't posted to the IP forum for a while.

Melethia - I know I could turn it off - that point was made on page one. It's not the same - the entry is still THERE - just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not THERE. You see? It still calls to you...

WHY do we need to be in for the WHOLE week - just because that's the way it always has been? Is THIS a reason? For a bunch of right-brained artists you sure are resistent to change.

So you'd basically like to eliminate contests and make this into a feedback only site? Because that's essentially what you're suggesting.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

07/19/2006 02:53:05 PM · #59

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

I was only using the ribbon winners as an example. I would also respect the oppinion of someone that has a row of 7's or even high 6's in their top rated photos...

Do you consider your own votes and comments worthless?

Rebecca

Nikon D80

07/19/2006 02:56:54 PM · #60

Originally posted by digitalknight:

Because giving voting a week gives everyone who wishes to vote the chance to do so. Some people can only find time for it on the weekend, for example, so cutting a Tuesday challenge off on Friday would keep those people from voting. And they might be voters who would really like your entry, so sad for you! Additionally, scores fluctuate wildly until they reach about 150 votes, give or take. Cutting voting off early would skew scores by not giving them an opportunity to settle in, so to speak.

We are not resistant to change, but perhaps resistant to change that doesn't make sense or change for change's sake. What makes you think you know better than anyone else? What does it really tell you that nearly every respondant vehemently disagrees and has real, tangible reasons for doing so? Perhaps the premise is simply flawed.

07/19/2006 03:01:23 PM · #61

you took my point totally out of context.

What about the people that vote that dont have cameras never took a picture in their life when they comment on a photo and say that it needs better lighting or more contrast or I would have done this or that. Then you click on their name to see what sort of work they have done and find that they dont have any to show you. Why should I trust what they have to say as something that will help me advance my skills? It is not an attitude. It was an example.

If you have nice photos in your portfolio I am going to respect your comments But if you have nothing to show to back up your comments than I am dismissing them unless they are totally obvious points.

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

07/19/2006 03:08:17 PM · #62

I've never designed a car before. But I can be driving down the road with a bunch of other cars, and be able to point out ones that I think look amazing. And obviously my opinion is going to be different from that of others, but it is still a potentially valuable opinion.

digitalknight

07/19/2006 03:20:16 PM · #63

I'm still puzzled how me pulling my photo so you don't have to vote on it affects you in a negative way.

Let's go extreme -

I get three votes in the first minutes of voting - miracle of miracles, my average is a 6.8. I decide to bask in the glory of three votes and pull it. Even IF it was the top photo on my Profile page, even IF it pushed my overall average up - how does that affect YOU!

Of COURSE, when you pull your own image you are certainly NOT going to be eligible for a ribbon - so I'm not taking you little gif away from you.

How does my photo being pulled, my "numbers" being higher than your numbers even remotely figure into what you do as an artist (unless you're a left-brained photographer) with your camera on your profile in your portfolio.

WHY DOES IT MATTER SO MUCH TO YOU?

My numbers, my photos, my DPC experience. I should be able to customize that experience if it doesn't adversely affect other members - I can't possibly see how this one little feature could.

07/19/2006 03:20:33 PM · #64

Not really, But if you go read my profile I have posted there that my comments should not be looked upon as professional. I am here to learn so I am more focused on learning from the pros vs the guys that are like me here to learn.

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I was only using the ribbon winners as an example. I would also respect the oppinion of someone that has a row of 7's or even high 6's in their top rated photos...

Do you consider your own votes and comments worthless?

07/19/2006 03:23:44 PM · #65

Originally posted by digitalknight:

I'm still puzzled how me pulling my photo so you don't have to vote on it affects you in a negative way.

I don't think too many people would be upset if you self-DQed.

edit: Or maybe I shouldn't say that. But at least, that option is there and available for you to use.

Message edited by author 2006-07-19 15:24:19.

07/19/2006 03:25:19 PM · #66

Originally posted by digitalknight:

I'm still puzzled how me pulling my photo so you don't have to vote on it affects you in a negative way.

I'm still puzzled why you would want to enter a contest if you don't want to compete so I guess we're even. :)

07/19/2006 03:26:27 PM · #67

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

Well, I guess that's unfortunate for everyone else who bothers to take the time to comment on your work then. :/

FocusPoint

XIAOMI Redmi Note 8 Pro

07/19/2006 03:27:24 PM · #68

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by digitalknight:
I'm still puzzled how me pulling my photo so you don't have to vote on it affects you in a negative way.

I'm still puzzled why you would want to enter a contest if you don't want to compete so I guess we're even. :)

I am just plain "puzzled" :/

07/19/2006 03:28:02 PM · #69

I would respect your thoughts, But if Henry Ford was standing next to you talking about the same subject I think more people would turn an ear to him.

Originally posted by klstover:

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

07/19/2006 03:30:58 PM · #70

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

I would respect your thoughts, But if Henry Ford was standing next to you talking about the same subject I think more people would turn an ear to him.

Originally posted by klstover:
I've never designed a car before. But I can be driving down the road with a bunch of other cars, and be able to point out ones that I think look amazing. And obviously my opinion is going to be different from that of others, but it is still a potentially valuable opinion.

Well, I'm not sure if Henry Ford would have much to say about the aesthetics of modern vehicles, but replacing him with a modern-day car designer, then yes, I see your point. I would totally understand if you listened to that person more than you listened to me! But... if you submit a car design to be judged by BOTH that person AND me (which is what you're doing when you enter a challenge here) then I would be unhappy if my opinion was ignored.

(you = the general everybody you)

edit: I should clarify, what I want to emphasize is the difference between valuing some comments more than others (which I think is totally fine, and may even help people learn more, etc) and treating some comments as worthless.

I do apologize if I am overstating your position, and you do not take the extreme ("some comments are worthless") view.

Message edited by author 2006-07-19 15:32:34.

taterbug

Nikon D300

07/19/2006 03:31:06 PM · #71

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

But I'd bet Henry Ford would be paying more attention to her, so he could get an idea of what the people liked so he could sell more cars!

07/19/2006 03:33:36 PM · #72

Well when i get helpful comments like the photo could use some sharping or contrast, I do take that to the bank. thats learning, . But when I get comments like thats cute or this made me laugh , or my favorite one made about a photo of my 4 year old daughter, "Her expression just freaks me out" ... I do not find those to be helpful in any way. Those are the comments I usually dismiss because they are normally made by people who dont submit to the challenges.

Like I said I am here to learn not teach. If I like a photo I will comment on it But I do not go around telling people what is wrong with their photos, I only comment on the ones i can say nice things about. So if you get a compliment from me about one of your photos you are free to dismiss it.

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Not really, But if you go read my profile I have posted there that my comments should not be looked upon as professional. I am here to learn so I am more focused on learning from the pros vs the guys that are like me here to learn.

Well, I guess that's unfortunate for everyone else who bothers to take the time to comment on your work then. :/

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

07/19/2006 03:37:17 PM · #73

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

I think a lot of people, myself included, make comments like that because we do not have the time/energy/desire to make a longer critique but do want to say something about the image.. and we do still submit to challenges.

But of course you are totally free to ignore whatever comments you want to. :)

Canon EOS-60D

07/19/2006 03:39:33 PM · #74

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

...But when I get comments like thats cute or this made me laugh , or my favorite one made about a photo of my 4 year old daughter, "Her expression just freaks me out" ... I do not find those to be helpful in any way. Those are the comments I usually dismiss because they are normally made by people who dont submit to the challenges.

...interesting...kind of like the comment I got from you on one of my current entries that said "this looks like my 4 year old daughters plate at the end of dinner." I can't decide if it is really helpful or not in the context of helping me become a better photographer.