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 07/10/2006 11:55:24 PM · #51
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
Most people believe that you wouldn't have been stopped and searched if you weren't doing something wrong. Also the policeman probably is well respected....The community would likely stand behind him.

Depends on where you live.
 07/11/2006 12:26:16 AM · #52
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
Also the policeman probably is well respected. Think for a few minutes about how many drug dealers and abusers he's likely to catch using these methods. The community would likely stand behind him.


I think this guy is nothing more than a frickin cowboy... he even had "souvenir" darts from the new taser stun guns stuck into his dashboard
 07/11/2006 12:37:54 AM · #53
Originally posted by otisXmike:

hiding from bubba in the corner in hopes of keeping my man virginity...


07/11/2006 12:55:18 AM · #54
Originally posted by otisXmike:
I think this guy is nothing more than a frickin cowboy... he even had "souvenir" darts from the new taser stun guns stuck into his dashboard


This comment would seem to suggest that "not unlike this percieved rogue cop" you too have a demonstrated propensity too jump to conclusions and pass judgement based on sketchy information.

I wasn't privy to the events you experienced and as such cannot render any informed decisions on the rights and wrongs of the process you had to endure.

I have no axe to grind in this matter, but rather would hasten to point out to all who ascribed certain characteristics to this officer, that your quickness to pass judgement seems to parallel that very action you so vehemently condemn.

Just a thought.

Ray
 07/11/2006 12:57:29 AM · #55
It seems to me that if you are sitting in your car apparently waiting for nothing in a part of town you don't know is a drug haven, fighting with the cowboy cop who stopped you can only make more trouble.

So unless you think there may be pot seeds under the mat from that one episode 3 years ago, or the time you let someone else use the car, or whatever, you pretty much have to lump it. Be nice and meek and get away easy.

Pick your battles. Save your fight for something you can win, or important issues of your own choosing. This is just annoying crap and not worth a major time investment.

Sorry it happened to you, its crappy.
 07/11/2006 12:59:42 AM · #56
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Just a thought.

*everyone hangs there head in shameful retrospect* ;-)

Just kidding but it is a very valid point, Ray. This happens in many of these threads. Mob mentality & all.

Anyway, let's all talk about Ray. He's Canadian. You know what that means...
 07/11/2006 01:10:21 AM · #57
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Just a thought.

*everyone hangs there head in shameful retrospect* ;-)

Just kidding but it is a very valid point, Ray. This happens in many of these threads. Mob mentality & all.

Anyway, let's all talk about Ray. He's Canadian. You know what that means...


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Did I mention I am currently visiting with Beetle... she lives in your neck of the woods right...hehehehe.... Can you give me a crash course in village pillaging and burning. :O)
07/11/2006 01:23:09 AM · #58
You won't be doing any of that with Beetle. She is very diplomatic and soft spoken...
 07/11/2006 01:33:45 AM · #59
Originally posted by RayEthier:

I have no axe to grind in this matter, but rather would hasten to point out to all who ascribed certain characteristics to this officer, that your quickness to pass judgement seems to parallel that very action you so vehemently condemn.

Ray


So you would argue that a cop with (taser darts in this case), or possibly bullets mounted on his dashboard "as a trophy *possibly", is not out of line... What real reason would he have these things stuck there?

I understand what youre saying though

Message edited by author 2006-07-11 01:50:28.
 07/11/2006 01:38:29 AM · #60
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
You won't be doing any of that with Beetle. She is very diplomatic and soft spoken...

Beetle bats her eyelashes and turns on the honey:

Aaawww DrAchoo.... you sweet, sweet boy. Step into my office for a moment please, would you? *drip drip drip*
 07/11/2006 02:28:00 AM · #61
Originally posted by otisXmike:
What real reason would he have these things stuck there?

Could be he uses them like pushpins to post notes on the dash...
07/11/2006 02:30:20 AM · #62
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by otisXmike:
What real reason would he have these things stuck there?

Could be he uses them like pushpins to post notes on the dash...


LMAO... Now I can go to bed! Thanks for the laugh!! that's so awesome!!

Thanks Roflmao... and yes, that's exactly what I'm doing right now.
 07/11/2006 02:31:45 AM · #63
I always have a business card holder, and usually some releases and letterhead in my camera bag just in case something like that happens ;-)

-Hideo
 07/11/2006 02:44:44 AM · #64
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Can you give me a crash course in village pillaging and burning. :O)


Hmmmm... an epiphany! Here, I have been going around burning and pillaging and finding there is nothing to pillage but ashes!

Note to self: Pillage first, then burn!
 07/11/2006 02:47:48 AM · #65
slightly off topic - I was on a boat trip once and we made a stop at a customs office on land to have our passports stamped; where coincidentally the place has a naval base nearby. about 3-4 people from our boat took photos of the little island while waiting for the group because the place was fascinating (little island with customs office and a naval base nearby, well, you get the picture). They were going about for 5 minutes before I took my camera out and got stopped by one of the officers there, "no photographs allowed", he said to me. I guess as long as you are using an ultra-compact, you automatically become less suspicious... but hold some larger camera and they target you. weird. I'd think that terrorist groups would prefer to travel light (eg ultra compacts than larger bodied cameras) dont you think?

edit: and no, I look like a boy scout and nothing like otisXmike here, lol

Message edited by author 2006-07-11 02:49:00.
 07/11/2006 04:11:38 AM · #66
You think explaining photography to a policeman is difficult, try explaining late-night-middle-of-a-forest astronomy to one.

"I was just looking at the Pleiades, officer"
 07/11/2006 04:29:34 AM · #67
Hang on a minute. I thought you guys lived in "...the land of the free..."

Brett
 07/11/2006 08:20:14 AM · #68
Did you get the cop's name?
Call the ACLU and have a chat with them. Sounds like profiling, and you fit the profile of the day.
I think now with probable cause they can search your vehicle, but it used to be they needed a warrant - and guess what - he didn't have one, did he? And what was his probable cause? Just cause you're in 'a drug neighborhood' does not qualify.
07/11/2006 08:22:18 AM · #69
Originally posted by jhonan:
You think explaining photography to a policeman is difficult, try explaining late-night-middle-of-a-forest astronomy to one.

"I was just looking at the Pleiades, officer"


We had to explain it to the local farmers - the gun totin ones - 4 pickups showed up surrounding us. they claimed they'd had problems with teen partiers and the cops did nothing (something about one of the kids was the chief's son) so they 'took it in their own hands'.

it was the perseid meteor shower and after a few minutes they were all looking for meteors too!
 07/11/2006 08:31:40 AM · #70
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
My guess is you'll end up doing what 99.9% of everyone else would do. Forget it and get on with your life.

No matter what anyone writes or says they will do, people do not want to become tied down with lengthy time consuming and costly litigation.

Even if you were financially able and had nothing better to do with your time.... you would be surprised by the number of people that end up on juries that believe the police should have the right to search with or without warrant and with or without cause. Most people believe that you wouldn't have been stopped and searched if you weren't doing something wrong. Also the policeman probably is well respected. Think for a few minutes about how many drug dealers and abusers he's likely to catch using these methods. The community would likely stand behind him.


And once again, the cops get away with whatever they want. If no one ever stands to check their power back to it's proper bounds, then they will keep running amuck. We're talking about a cop, not a god - no matter how good his "gut feeling" was to justify what he did in his mind, it was still illegal. And he needs to be held accountable, just like any other citizen.
 07/11/2006 08:41:59 AM · #71
Hey Prof_Fate... do you by any chance play COD2 at 82ndab? someone there with the same name..
 07/11/2006 10:09:24 AM · #72
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
And once again, the cops get away with whatever they want. If no one ever stands to check their power back to it's proper bounds, then they will keep running amuck. We're talking about a cop, not a god - no matter how good his "gut feeling" was to justify what he did in his mind, it was still illegal. And he needs to be held accountable, just like any other citizen.

Yep... like I said, the level of accountability aimed at police officers may very well depend on where you live.
 07/11/2006 11:11:36 AM · #73
Think about it this way: This cop could have just saved you from a much worse situation. Drug trafficing, more often than not, is going to include firearms, especially in a part of town that is so bad they have a cop stake it out. If you had just wandered around the building you could have easily been shot or at least gotten into a rough situation, if someone in the drug business had seen you. They would immediately think that you were involved with the law, or at least the news, and think that you were taking pictures for evidence. People who are willing to take the risk of selling drugs are obviously going to be a bit paranoid, and if someone shows up out of the blue snapping pictures of their place, things can get drastic pretty quickly.
 07/11/2006 11:24:38 AM · #74
Originally posted by fstopstigmata:
Think about it this way: This cop could have just saved you from a much worse situation. Drug trafficing, more often than not, is going to include firearms, especially in a part of town that is so bad they have a cop stake it out. If you had just wandered around the building you could have easily been shot or at least gotten into a rough situation, if someone in the drug business had seen you. They would immediately think that you were involved with the law, or at least the news, and think that you were taking pictures for evidence. People who are willing to take the risk of selling drugs are obviously going to be a bit paranoid, and if someone shows up out of the blue snapping pictures of their place, things can get drastic pretty quickly.

sure, but that still doesn't give the cop any rights to do what he did.
 07/11/2006 11:45:55 AM · #75
Originally posted by _eug:
Being in a "drug neighborhood" in a tricked out truck probably qualified as probable cause in his mind... And probable cause is all they need in order to perform a search without a warrant.

"Qualifying in his mind" isn't good enough to make the unconsented search legal.

edited to add:
The following is just plain silly.

"Think about it this way: This cop could have just saved you from a much worse situation. Drug trafficing, more often than not, is going to include firearms, especially in a part of town that is so bad they have a cop stake it out. If you had just wandered around the building you could have easily been shot or at least gotten into a rough situation, if someone in the drug business had seen you. They would immediately think that you were involved with the law, or at least the news, and think that you were taking pictures for evidence. People who are willing to take the risk of selling drugs are obviously going to be a bit paranoid, and if someone shows up out of the blue snapping pictures of their place, things can get drastic pretty quickly."

Message edited by author 2006-07-11 11:51:03.
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