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 07/10/2006 02:59:35 PM · #26
I mark almost all of my comments as helpful ...even if I think the comment was helpful in only determining that the comment was made by an idiot! ; )

Message edited by author 2006-07-10 15:00:51.
 07/10/2006 03:01:18 PM · #27
I don't think every single comment has to be a critique or point out some flaw in the image. I personally enjoy simple one or two word praises and think that a balance between the two is great. You get some good thoughts on improvements and also feel good that some people just simply really enjoy the picture without any changes.
 07/10/2006 03:10:36 PM · #28
Most comments given ARE offhand and/or useless but devising a comment accountability process is no answer. Taking a reactive approach to comments is futile. We need to take a proactive approach.

The real issue is matching up good reviewers with submitters that want and need in-depth reviews. For the average voter right now it is a hit and miss prospect whether the submitter even wants a review.

Here is a small change to the existing system that could help change that and also help the Critique Club. Add an indicator on the voter display screen that shows that a review of the image has been requested.

Now all voters will know at voting time that the submitter is requesting an in-depth review of their picture. Capable reviewers, like Dr. Achoo, can see this at the time of voting and be able to better choose who to give time consuming in-depth critiques to.

The guesswork is taken away. More people that want in-depth reviews with get them and they will get them from more than just one person. If that can't help improve commenting then nothing will.


07/10/2006 03:12:00 PM · #29
I think those commenters mentioned in the original post may be onto something. If you want to get a good "helpful" score, just saying "good job!" seems very effective, as the person who left that comment does it alot and got a 308 to 399 helpful to comments made ratio. I haven't done that well with more effort into most of my comments. Since comments such as "use the full 640 pixel dimension", "out of focus", "does not meet challenge", and similar seem to be rarely met with "this comment was helpful" marks, maybe the best thing to do is just say "good job!" to those dreadful photos that need the most help.

(Or better yet, get rid of the "this comment was helpful" checkbox.)
07/10/2006 03:13:02 PM · #30
If anyone has a problem with given comments, please don't call them out in public, but report it privately, using a ticket.
 07/10/2006 03:13:36 PM · #31
DrA, this was without a doubt, the strongest argument I've yet seen for changing the way comments are marked helpful.

How about a simple mod to the checkbox option like this:



It would probably require a complete recoding of the site though...

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
OK, I just had to bring this up. Yes, I'm flogging a dead horse, but I think there is a small chance it will be useful in the quest to get different checkboxes of "I read this comment" and "This comment was helpful".


Message edited by author 2006-07-10 15:17:23.
 07/10/2006 03:13:56 PM · #32
The only way you'll improve comments or at least more wordy comments is to give the viewer incentive to do so. We have a Scoring Average which for many is a strong incentive to shoot photos that will do well at DPC. Why not have something similar with comments? I suggested one in this thread

For the lazy here is what I posted:

Originally posted by yanko:
Comment Average - Based on total number of photos viewed. Might need to have a minimum word requirement or have in parenthesis next to the stat your average number of words used per comment. That way you'll want to have both numbers as high as you can make it. :)


Obvious that's not a total solution as people can still post gibberish but I think that would have added incentive to type more words, which in turn will be more helpful even if it's just more compliments.

If you implemented this along with with a second checkbox like what DrAchoo mention then the two could help to produce better more lengthy comments.

Message edited by author 2006-07-10 15:16:15.
 07/10/2006 03:16:55 PM · #33
Originally posted by strangeghost:
DrA, this was without a doubt, the strongest argument I've yet seen for changing the way comments are marked helpful.

How about a simple mod to the checkbox option like this:





At least my below average poto is good for something:)
 07/10/2006 03:22:54 PM · #34
I agree with ursula. I don't believe that the commenting here is in such a poor state. I am one who marks all comments as helpful, unless they are really out of line.

Perhaps some people are expecting too much out of comments. Not all of us are good critics. I know that sometimes I leave comments that are nothing more than attaboys, but the purpose is to say that I like the image. The real significance of that type of comment is that someone bothered to type a few words on your shot. And, for me, that's enough to make me to feel like saying thanks by marking it as helpful.
07/10/2006 03:25:17 PM · #35
Originally posted by coolhar:
I agree with ursula. I don't believe that the commenting here is in such a poor state. I am one who marks all comments as helpful, unless they are really out of line.

Perhaps some people are expecting too much out of comments. Not all of us are good critics. I know that sometimes I leave comments that are nothing more than attaboys, but the purpose is to say that I like the image. The real significance of that type of comment is that someone bothered to type a few words on your shot. And, for me, that's enough to make me to feel like saying thanks by marking it as helpful.


Yes, this I can agree with wholeheartedly. To me, marking comments as "helpful" is like saying, "Thank you! I read it, and it's much appreciated."
 07/10/2006 03:27:21 PM · #36
posting this just to again support the idea of a checkbox at point of submission that says "comments wanted" or "no comments wanted".

I'm not here for the challenge comments and I'd like to be able to tell people that so they could spend more time on someone who really wants feedback. This will create less comment-able images and increase the comments for those who really want them ... in theory.
 07/10/2006 03:30:50 PM · #37
Originally posted by hopper:
posting this just to again support the idea of a checkbox at point of submission that says "comments wanted" or "no comments wanted".

I'm not here for the challenge comments and I'd like to be able to tell people that so they could spend more time on someone who really wants feedback. This will create less comment-able images and increase the comments for those who really want them ... in theory.


great idea
 07/10/2006 03:36:15 PM · #38
Originally posted by coolhar:
I agree with ursula. I don't believe that the commenting here is in such a poor state. I am one who marks all comments as helpful, unless they are really out of line.

Perhaps some people are expecting too much out of comments. Not all of us are good critics. I know that sometimes I leave comments that are nothing more than attaboys, but the purpose is to say that I like the image. The real significance of that type of comment is that someone bothered to type a few words on your shot. And, for me, that's enough to make me to feel like saying thanks by marking it as helpful.


I agree with Harvey. You must also remember that you could be receiving comments from children or people with a non-English speaking background.
In my view one word comments are still a vital indication on how an image is seen by the viewer.

07/10/2006 03:40:37 PM · #39
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
I actually marked them all helpfull(except for the jiberish) because I have been chastised before about marking some helpfull and not others (when I didn't agree with the comment left) so now I just mark them all helpfull.


This the main reason why I don't check the box for any comment now...got tired of people coming back and wonder why there comment wasn't helpful. Even though I find many comments left on my photos helpful.
07/10/2006 03:54:14 PM · #40
Originally posted by TomFoolery:
... This the main reason why I don't check the box for any comment now...got tired of people coming back and wonder why there comment wasn't helpful. Even though I find many comments left on my photos helpful.
That's just plain frustrating to the people who have left comments on your shots. It gives the appearance that you haven't bothered to even read them.
07/10/2006 04:01:10 PM · #41
Originally posted by keegbow:
I agree with Harvey. You must also remember that you could be receiving comments from children or people with a non-English speaking background.
In my view one word comments are still a vital indication on how an image is seen by the viewer.


You are missing the point that the average vote by those commenters was a 3.333. With that piece of information (which we don't always get), do you think the comments were still "a vital indication on how an image is seen by the viewer"?
 07/10/2006 04:03:08 PM · #42
I think that most comments aren't very helpful either. I think the critique club comments are often lacking information that would be really useful to the photographer also.

Anyone interested in putting together a simple 'side group' to do comments that are useful? Something above and beyond what we have here now? I think we can learn how to offer useful critique rather quickly.
 07/10/2006 04:05:09 PM · #43
Instead of checking a "useful" box; maybe the receiver of the comment can judge the comment on a scale of 1-10.

1=Bad
1=Good.
:-)
 07/10/2006 04:07:11 PM · #44
I said it before, but just removing the this comment was helpful box all together would resolve a lot of problems.

Kind of like we removed the threads killed stat.
 07/10/2006 04:07:35 PM · #45
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Instead of checking a "useful" box; maybe the receiver of the comment can judge the comment on a scale of 1-10.

1=Bad
1=Good.
:-)


I like that idea. How about the scale that is used on the Tutorial pages to make coding consistent?
 07/10/2006 04:07:58 PM · #46
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by keegbow:
I agree with Harvey. You must also remember that you could be receiving comments from children or people with a non-English speaking background.
In my view one word comments are still a vital indication on how an image is seen by the viewer.


You are missing the point that the average vote by those commenters was a 3.333. With that piece of information (which we don't always get), do you think the comments were still "a vital indication on how an image is seen by the viewer"?


But Jason, is that the usual, or is this an exception? If you're going to mention both scores and commenters at the same time, I think it would be worth it to first check whether it holds true that commenters give lower votes than their comments indicate.
 07/10/2006 04:09:54 PM · #47
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Instead of checking a "useful" box; maybe the receiver of the comment can judge the comment on a scale of 1-10.

1=Bad
1=Good.
:-)


1 is both bad than good? :)
 07/10/2006 04:14:33 PM · #48
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by keegbow:
I agree with Harvey. You must also remember that you could be receiving comments from children or people with a non-English speaking background.
In my view one word comments are still a vital indication on how an image is seen by the viewer.


You are missing the point that the average vote by those commenters was a 3.333. With that piece of information (which we don't always get), do you think the comments were still "a vital indication on how an image is seen by the viewer"?


But Jason, is that the usual, or is this an exception? If you're going to mention both scores and commenters at the same time, I think it would be worth it to first check whether it holds true that commenters give lower votes than their comments indicate.


I would say the rare exception. In the 27 challenges I have entered only one time did the commenter average fail to be higher than my actual score. Usually it's about 2 full points higher so if anything commenters tend to give higher than normal scores.
 07/10/2006 04:14:34 PM · #49
Originally posted by capturedinprint:
I mark almost all of my comments as helpful ...even if I think the comment was helpful in only determining that the comment was made by an idiot! ; )


*****looking back to see if I've commented on any of your photos******* :)

I think some people are intimidated by leaving a comment. They're afraid that what they say will be taken wrong or that someone will read the comment and say "Geez, what a moron!!!" Which leads me to the point that I think we should have 3 boxes 1)Comment was helpful 2)Comment was read 3) Commentor was clearly a moron. Clicking the third box will lead both your name and the commentors name to be put on a list. Should people acquire or give more than 30 moron clicks in a month you are cast into a cage and forced to fight to the death. The winner gets all the losers camera gear. Things seem to be getting a little too calm around here.

Message edited by author 2006-07-10 16:34:31.
 07/10/2006 04:27:54 PM · #50
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Instead of checking a "useful" box; maybe the receiver of the comment can judge the comment on a scale of 1-10.

1=Bad
1=Good.
:-)


I like that idea. How about the scale that is used on the Tutorial pages to make coding consistent?


I did actually mean to put

1 =Bad
10=Good!!!!
oops :-)
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