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06/29/2006 08:26:28 AM · #26 |
Well said, and I agree with you entirely.....
Originally posted by Judi:
Hmmm...I have been trying to vote on 100% of images. Sometimes I give a happy, happy comment...but if I can find an area that will help the photographer then I will state as such. And sometimes I give a higher than deserving score but again I will state why. I never copy and paste comments and on the Bokeh image with 433 entries you will be hard pressed to find two comments exactly the same.
So please realise that while comments aren't as common as one would like, there are two things you must realise. That is -
1 - Comments are on the increase...and as people become more comfortable giving criticism without getting it slammed back in their face...this will only increase.
2 - How can you expect to be deserving of something you don't give????
Judi
Edit to add....this is not intended at the OP...but at members of this site in general. Some people are great and will comment...but I am referring to the ones that don't and then whinge about it. You know who you are! |
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06/29/2006 08:38:56 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Savannah:
I think that most peps welcome the comments given. Really, if you don't want to know what others think of your photos then this is perhaps not the best site to post on! I have to admit that, although some comments sting a bit, I learn from all of them as long the there is some constructive criticism and not just the "I don't get it" comment with out any further explanation. For example: I now am quite aware of the difference between blur and bokeh! I am licking my wounds but at least I learned... |
Hi Athena. I love hearing stories about how people have learned something from DPC that helps them in their pursuit of photography.
I believe with the variety of photographers and scope of venues represented here, a person can continue to learn something new about photography every day from this site if the desire for that knowledge resides within the photographer. This learning comes from comments rec'd (and given), the forums, and general browsing of the site.
That being said, it's also important to remember just how vast the user base is here. A photo entered for a challenge may be the cat's meow for one viewer (hence a wonderful comment), and another viewer may downright dislike it (hence a not so nice comment). You kind of have to decide what you want to do with comments you receive. For example, you get 2 comments on a fair image that the DOF is too shallow, you also get 2 comments that they love the DOF. Ultimately the final decision on what is right for you should direct photography endeavors.
There was a forum thread here the other day that had a link to some wonderful images in a portfolio of a non-DPC member. The photographer seemed to be quite successful and the images were quite refreshing. Funny thing is, as I was browsing this portfolio I was thinking to myself "this image is blown out", or "what a strange angle". These thoughts were, I'm sure, derived from comments I've seen here at DPC.
Point being? Be yourself. Enjoy photography for yourself. Give and receive comments, but do so with a contemplative eye, for DPC (while a great community of photographers) is not the all-empowering final word on the exciting world of photography.
Smile and keep having fun! ;^) |
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07/02/2006 03:20:36 AM · #28 |
If I vote 1, 2 or a 3, I probably will not comment as I think it would be obvious, and someone else would have covered it already.
I haven't been here long, but on other similar sites, that's the method I use.
Also, some people feel attacked even if criticism is objective. I have a technical view on rating photos, as I'm criticized ratherly harshly myself by photo editors. I tend to bring their same criteria to photos I view. I will always comment on the positives of a photograph if I comment negatively. If I leave a comment it is because I believe there is a positive aspect to it. (As long as it meets the challenge requirements, if I do not think it meets them, I will not comment).
Also, sometimes a challenge has hundreds of entries (and I will vote on all of them, so commenting on all is impossible with my schedule).
-Hideo |
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07/02/2006 03:45:32 AM · #29 |
Even with little commenting on a photo, at the end, where that photo stands is the main thing a photographer should think of. It is pretty obvious afterwards if it was a good photo or a decent or a bad photo by the overall vote.
I think photographer also should be bale to judge his or her work by looking at the results and reconsidering the work... maybe comparing it with other similar photos.
I heard many complaints about bad voting on good photos, or getting bad comments on good photos but I believe most is personal opinion rather than collective opinion.
I too struggled with the results of my entries here, but when I compare my work to similar others, I see what should I fix next time... For me my pictures are great, but after voting done and I had second and third look, even though I still like them, I convince they are not winners, and I should do better next time.
…said too much here, sorry ;) |
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07/05/2006 01:10:22 PM · #30 |
I agree. It's all very subjective as it should be. I shoot one way for challenge entries and another for my personal taste. I can't wait for the next storm to roll through because you will ribbon with a lightning pic! :)
A photo either does something for you or it doesn't. However, hopefully most of us are looking at the "quality" of the photo and how conveys it's message even if the content is something thats unappealing to you...
Buy the way, is there a thread that explains exactly how score are computed? I can't seem to find it.. |
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07/05/2006 01:12:51 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by mk:
There's just too much complaining about comments received in the forums and unncessarily rude PMs for some users to feel comfortable commenting much anymore. |
I totally agree with MK. I don't think commenting will improve until people quit whining about comments.
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07/05/2006 01:16:28 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by mk:
There's just too much complaining about comments received in the forums and unncessarily rude PMs for some users to feel comfortable commenting much anymore. |
Yup!
For that very reason these days I mainly comment on images I like.
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07/05/2006 01:31:29 PM · #33 |
my commenting has slowed
but i try to comment on images that either amuse me or
have good idea but have a fatal flaw in execution that prevented a higher score
i think that my 'skin' has toughend to handle most comments ..
(or i'll just keep it bottled up to unleash on a unsuspecting passerby ... ) |
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07/05/2006 01:46:57 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by mk:
There's just too much complaining about comments received in the forums and unncessarily rude PMs for some users to feel comfortable commenting much anymore. |
I totally agree with MK. I don't think commenting will improve until people quit whining about comments. |
I'm not seeing it personally, at least not outside the forums, and even there it's not that bad.
I've given a little over 100 comments in the past week or so and only had a couple of PM's - none that were negative. My commenting style certainly isn't always the most flattering, probably about 30% are complaint free (positive feedback given), the rest I usually find something (sometimes more) to point out as a perceived flaw in the image I'm commenting on.
So....go ahead and comment. Not a big deal, even if you do get a negative PM now and then, the majority of people appreciate the feedback.
edit to clarify a line.
Message edited by author 2006-07-05 13:47:51. |
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07/05/2006 01:56:56 PM · #35 |
I used to comment a lot... I was always kind of anal about making sure I had made more comments than I had received. I slowed down my commenting when the number of entries in each challenge became pretty daunting...and kept entering, thus receiving comments while not making as many as I used to. I also became a single parent so my time to comment at all was shortened. Recently, I've settled into a better routine and have more time to comment...but won't do it. I tried giving a couple of dozen comments through Critique Club, which I really enjoy doing, but was PM'd by folks completely unrelated to the pictures I commented on who were accusing me of being "anti DPC" among other things. I have never in my tenure here been "anti DPC" as far as I can tell...I just tell it like it is. Since this is the kind of backlash I get for taking the time to comment or help a newbie around the site, I choose not to open my mouth much anymore.
I do think that when people vote and choose not to leave a comment, it's not that the image is not worthy of a comment...it's simply a lack of time, energy, and/or confidence. Some just don't have the words to use to leave what they feel are effective comments or critique, so rather than saying something "wrong," they choose not to say anything at all. I've been there and done that myself, the first few months here especially.
IMO, making commenting mandatory will create more harm than good.
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07/05/2006 02:09:26 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
... accusing me of being "anti DPC" among other things. ... |
That's a bummer and I'm sure wasn't fun.
Originally posted by laurielblack:
IMO, making commenting mandatory will create more harm than good. |
Sorry. Didn't know that was part of the communication in this thread. Agreed. Mandatory comments are for sure not a remote consideration. |
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