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06/19/2006 05:19:04 PM · #1 |
Im probably flogging a dead horse here with this thread but i have looked through some of the challenges that have just been completed and no matter how good a picture is there always seems to be a few 1's and 2's.
Now i realise its a matter of personal taste but i just feel if a photo is getting lots of 6's and up then the 1's and 2's must be pretty hard to justify. Is there a way in which the admins can monitor who gives 1's and 2's and see if there is a pattern forming or make it a rule in challenges that if you vote 1 or 2 then you must leave a comment to justify your score.
This is not a personal gripe as i hav entered a few photos in challenges that if im being honest anything over a 1 or 2 was just a sympathy score..lol.
My reason for it is that it must be a real kick in the teeth for someone to receive these scores when it really isnt justified.
An idea might be to add an automatic extra rule that if you vote a 1 or 2 then you must comment. |
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06/19/2006 05:22:02 PM · #2 |
| So so so dead. Like, hamburgers dead. |
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06/19/2006 05:29:15 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by mk:
So so so dead. Like, hamburgers dead. |
Made into hamburgers, eaten, passed, made into fertilizer, spread on to a wheat field, nutrients absorbed by the wheat, cut down, made into horse feed, ate by another horse, who died, got beat, and made into hamburger.... :) |
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06/19/2006 05:33:54 PM · #4 |
| lol..cant say im surprised by the comments so far. |
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06/19/2006 05:34:36 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by CraigF:
lol..cant say im surprised by the comments so far. |
I'm just in a odd mood. Thought I'd express some creativity. |
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06/19/2006 05:39:28 PM · #6 |
Troll voting is both fun and profitable ... *walks away whistling*
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06/19/2006 05:40:09 PM · #7 |
I've been paying Leroy to give 1s and 2s to everyone but me! :P
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06/19/2006 05:56:57 PM · #8 |
It was my understanding that they DO monitor voting habits to try to make sure things are fair.
If you (the general you) are sure these votes of 1 and 2 are not justified, then maybe you should find another photo site where there is a panel of judges (not everybody allowed to vote, but just some) and that way you can make sure the judges are up to your standards before you allow them to look at your photos.
Message edited by author 2006-06-19 17:59:20. |
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06/19/2006 05:59:01 PM · #9 |
| maybe we could have Konodor make us little icons so we can identify the trolls, like the bag people...Hmm then we'll need a bag troll too. |
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06/19/2006 05:59:56 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Troll voting is both fun and profitable ... *walks away whistling* |
Oh yeah! You subscribed to this one not too long ago right?
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06/19/2006 06:01:37 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by idnic:
I've been paying Leroy to give 1s and 2s to everyone but me! :P |
Speaking of which, it's about time for another check or CD full of Cindi photos.
Rikki, that magazine is a valuable resource. Thanks :-P
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06/19/2006 06:04:59 PM · #12 |
Don't forget to catch his show on Fox every week. :P
Oh and CraigF, the fact that you see 1s on ribbon winning photos tells you right there that those dishing them out are doing it out of spite for one reason or another. |
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06/19/2006 06:07:07 PM · #13 |
Read this.... it helps.
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06/19/2006 06:14:05 PM · #14 |
Darkness falls across the land
The midnite hour is close at hand
Trolls crawl in search of blood
To terrorize yawls neighbourhood
And whosoever shall be found
Without the soul for getting down
Must stand and face the hounds of hell
And rot inside a corpses shell
The foulest stench is in the air
The funk of forty thousand years
And grizzy Trolls from every tomb
Are closing in to seal your doom
And though you fight to stay alive
Your body starts to shiver
For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the Trolls
-Thriller |
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06/19/2006 06:33:45 PM · #15 |
| Mabe the problem is they are not trolls but evil hobbits. |
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06/19/2006 07:40:21 PM · #16 |
This subject does bubble up with some regularity. I really should save a canned response, so that I don't have to retype it every time! :-P
The voting at DPC closely follows what statisticians call a "gaussian" or "normal" statistical distribution. You'll often hear it referred to as a bell curve. What that implies is that some low (and high) votes are to be expected for any image. If the curve gets pushed up against the lower or upper bounds of the voting scale, votes "pile up" in the end bin (1 or 10), so it looks like there are more ones (or 10s) than there should be, when in fact there may not be.
That said, some images do get a few more 1s (and 10s) than they should. Typically those images are ones that evoke strong emotional responses in some viewers, and/or those that are seen as not meeting the challenge at all.
Finally, some voters do vote in such a pattern that indicates their votes are not fairly distributed. These votes are screened automatically and discarded at the end of voting, along with votes from those who have not voted the minimum number of shots in the challenge(20%). Very few votes are actually discarded this way. You'll notice that final scores jump up or down slightly at the end of voting, and that's due to the vote scrubbing; the jump is typically only a few huhdredths of a point.
the concclusion is that actual troll votes are quite rare indeed, counter to common perception. |
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06/19/2006 07:43:40 PM · #17 |
I think there more people that complain and make jokes about trolls than there are actual troll voters.
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06/19/2006 08:06:51 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
This subject does bubble up with some regularity. I really should save a canned response, so that I don't have to retype it every time! :-P
The voting at DPC closely follows what statisticians call a "gaussian" or "normal" statistical distribution. You'll often hear it referred to as a bell curve. What that implies is that some low (and high) votes are to be expected for any image. If the curve gets pushed up against the lower or upper bounds of the voting scale, votes "pile up" in the end bin (1 or 10), so it looks like there are more ones (or 10s) than there should be, when in fact there may not be.
That said, some images do get a few more 1s (and 10s) than they should. Typically those images are ones that evoke strong emotional responses in some viewers, and/or those that are seen as not meeting the challenge at all.
Finally, some voters do vote in such a pattern that indicates their votes are not fairly distributed. These votes are screened automatically and discarded at the end of voting, along with votes from those who have not voted the minimum number of shots in the challenge(20%). Very few votes are actually discarded this way. You'll notice that final scores jump up or down slightly at the end of voting, and that's due to the vote scrubbing; the jump is typically only a few huhdredths of a point.
the concclusion is that actual troll votes are quite rare indeed, counter to common perception. |
Kirbic... Kirbic... Kirbic... when will you ever learn?
Trolls exist. Trolls are eveywhere. Trolls are smarter than all your logic, gaussian statistical distributions and screening programs combined.
Don't you think they don't know all that you know? Of course they do. They get together and discuss voting strategies on EVERY challenge. It is insidious. How do you think they make almost every challenge look like a normal distribution? They are evil geniuses, that is how!
Trolls like it when you say things like this. It protects them. It helps them to operate undisturbed challenge after challenge after challenge.
Hey... wait... that can only mean... Oh, no... Kirbic is a TROLL!
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06/19/2006 08:06:55 PM · #19 |
is there a statistic of number of votes (less than 20%) or voters (irrational voting pattern) discarded ?
not usefull but interesting |
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06/19/2006 09:42:50 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
is there a statistic of number of votes (less than 20%) or voters (irrational voting pattern) discarded ?
not usefull but interesting |
You must vote on 20% of the images in a challenge for your votes to count. You can see this on the voting screen.
For voting patterns, I don't know the specifics of the algorithm (I don't need to know). It does seem to work well. |
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06/19/2006 09:43:34 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Hey... wait... that can only mean... Oh, no... Kirbic is a TROLL! |
Now you've gone and done it, letting the cat out of the bag! ;-) |
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06/19/2006 09:57:11 PM · #22 |
So, according to ignite, Drew is Michael Jackson?
Well, that would explain why we haven't seen him around much lately... pursuing his OTHER CAREER is he?
hrm.... it would explain his hatred of Trolls too....
uhm, Art, if you are around, mind if I borrow your Village burning torch? |
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06/19/2006 10:03:44 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by ralphnev:
is there a statistic of number of votes (less than 20%) or voters (irrational voting pattern) discarded ?
not usefull but interesting |
You must vote on 20% of the images in a challenge for your votes to count. You can see this on the voting screen.
For voting patterns, I don't know the specifics of the algorithm (I don't need to know). It does seem to work well. |
i meant tossed/discarded/distroyed per challenge in general by all
- by now (111 challenges & growing) i know about the 20% minimum votes |
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