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05/25/2006 12:17:33 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Most people who disagree with this.. have ribbons.. give us who don't a god damn chance..
Thats my 2 cents worth and Im not going look at this thread now so I don't get angry.. *Mumbles* What about a challenge for people who havent won a ribbon?
I WANT a god damn ribbon >.> lol |
LOL!!! I agree, we should have a challenge where you're DQ'd if you've won a ribbon, (except if you win a ribbon of that challenge of course) |
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05/25/2006 12:20:27 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Most people who disagree with this.. have ribbons.. give us who don't a god damn chance..
Thats my 2 cents worth and Im not going look at this thread now so I don't get angry.. *Mumbles* What about a challenge for people who havent won a ribbon?
I WANT a god damn ribbon >.> lol |
A ribbon is nothing but a personal achievment, the actual thing you are after is a little computer generated picture. :-) How can you be so proud about it if you just got it easier with less competition. |
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05/25/2006 12:20:50 AM · #53 |
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05/25/2006 12:22:21 AM · #54 |
| friendly humor, that's all.... |
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05/25/2006 12:27:46 AM · #55 |
I agree with the concept that ribbons would mean more without excluding some of the competition. But personally, I feel limited by my camera, complete lack of equipment, not knowing how to majorly post process, etc. And I know I am not the only one. I am using my time on this site to improve what I can, and I know that someday I am going to be far beyond where I am now. I will look back at the work I did to get there and be proud. But I know it will take a while, and I wouldn't mind too much a special challenge in the meantime.
edit: For me, I wouldn't be in the under 21 challenge - was talking about other challenges (i.e. the non-ribbon winners).
Message edited by author 2006-05-25 00:42:52. |
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05/25/2006 12:36:22 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by I Enjoy Ham:
in the 2 second exposure though, there wasnt really a guilt factor or something making the people think twice before entering non 2 second shot. Also adding on a suspensio for a foundout age of over 21 is a good idea to in my opinion.
-Dan |
If memory serves me correct two of the three ribbon winners who didn't shoot a 2 second exposure didn't post their shutter info with their entry at first. That seems like there was some level of guilt there but maybe I'm wrong.
Message edited by author 2006-05-25 00:36:49. |
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05/25/2006 12:53:17 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by amandalore:
LOL!!! I agree, we should have a challenge where you're DQ'd if you've won a ribbon, (except if you win a ribbon of that challenge of course) |
I found an easier way to get a ribbon. I stole one. Check my signature :-P
Message edited by author 2006-05-25 00:55:13.
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05/25/2006 12:57:52 AM · #58 |
| Who did you steal that from? And are you going to put it up on ebay? |
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05/25/2006 01:00:49 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Who did you steal that from? And are you going to put it up on ebay? |
I stole it from scalvert... shhhh... he'll never miss it. And nooooo, I'm hanging onto it.
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05/25/2006 01:54:18 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by klstover:
.... But personally, I feel limited by my camera, complete lack of equipment, not knowing how to majorly post process, etc. ... |
Young folks are the only ones that can feel that way? Guess again. Everybody, young or old is a beginner in photography at one time or another. Should each one of us have a special competition tailored so that it is easier for us to win just because we haven't been at it as long as others have?
I just don't see how an age restricted challenge is beneficial to the site or the age group.
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05/25/2006 02:04:58 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I just don't see how an age restricted challenge is beneficial to the site or the age group. |
I agree with Harvey here (wow, that's odd). In fact, age restricted challenges almost feels like discrimination to me. What would we say if admins decided on a male only challenge or a Icelander specific challenge?
I don't mind invitationals based on talent or comments given, but, I just can't support this.
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05/25/2006 02:11:13 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I just don't see how an age restricted challenge is beneficial to the site or the age group. |
It's interesting. I kinda, sorta tend to be in that camp, but I was thinking...
MOST competitive endeavors have age-grouping built in, actually. I started sailboat racing in junior sailing, eventually got good enough to compete at the adult level. Ditto golf. Like chess? as a kid you'll be playing juniors tournaments. And so forth.
The parallel's not precise, because we're talking STARTING at 9 or 12, say, and plenty of teenagers are skilled enough to compete at the senior level in whatever it is they are doing; in fact some sports are dominated by kids, such as gymnastics...
Does it make sense in THIS site? Probably not, really, as presented. It's to some degree a legitimate concern that ribbons won in a "junior" challenge are too cheaply gotten. You could perhaps alleviate that by excluding juniors-with-ribbons (joey, zoomdak, el sapo etc), but not really, because take out the best of our juniors and the challenge itself is not going to be particularly strong...
I could see some point in setting up a parallel structure for "junior challenges" with a different set of ribbons, 2 challenges a month or something, but that's a lot of work. Would it benefit the site to actively recruit kids to compete in a junior division? I can see pros and cons to it, with most of the cons having to do with the social interaction in the forums, but we won't go there :-)
R.
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05/25/2006 02:24:59 AM · #63 |
sounds like a good idea to me, I'm 18 by the way!
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05/25/2006 03:12:07 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by amandalore:
Come'on, you're ruining it! The age thing is an excuse for those of us who don't have your talent to get rid of a lot of the entries... :) |
My thoughts exactly. I thought, great! Under 21 challenge, I might actually have a shot!
Maybe a challenge for all us P&S users, I wish I could afford a nice DSLR, but that's not coming for a while, it'd be nice not to have to compete against anyone with $2000 camera. Not saying it's not possible, but come on, do I really stand a chance?
All in good fun, not too much seriousness going on here.
Message edited by author 2006-05-25 03:12:30. |
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05/25/2006 05:24:59 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by klstover:
.... But personally, I feel limited by my camera, complete lack of equipment, not knowing how to majorly post process, etc. ... |
Young folks are the only ones that can feel that way? Guess again. Everybody, young or old is a beginner in photography at one time or another. Should each one of us have a special competition tailored so that it is easier for us to win just because we haven't been at it as long as others have?
I just don't see how an age restricted challenge is beneficial to the site or the age group. |
No no, sorry - see my edit. I was talking about a challenge for people who haven't won a ribbon. In any case, I know that a lot of people aren't going to feel the way I do, and I wasn't suggesting that it would be beneficial to the site to have a restricted challenge. I'm not sure that I actually think that way. I was just addressing the fact that I personally would not mind having a ribbon that "meant less" because some of the competition had been unallowed to enter. |
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05/25/2006 01:45:02 PM · #66 |
The one thing that bugs me is that a lot of the time, the upper-echelon and ribbon-winning pictures were made either by a studio or with (seemingly) fancy lighting. I can't imagine a person 21 or under would really have the budget to have a studio or anything like that, and is almost at a disadvantage right away. Yeah, I'm sure there's exceptions to the rule, but I've noticed that trend a large portion of the time, as studio/externally lit shots just look better and more professional. I can't speak for all other 21 (or less) year olds, but I certainly don't have the budget nor space to stage anything like that.
I'm sure someone disagrees, so fire away. |
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05/25/2006 01:59:46 PM · #67 |
every challenge excluds some of the people
equipment
money
location
weather
all have bearing on certain challenges
location help many of the top scorers
and hurts most of the rest
why not a 21 and under maby more of this groupe would be more comfortable competing in one challenge against each other |
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05/25/2006 02:00:18 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by MrXpress:
The one thing that bugs me is that a lot of the time, the upper-echelon and ribbon-winning pictures were made either by a studio or with (seemingly) fancy lighting. I can't imagine a person 21 or under would really have the budget to have a studio or anything like that, and is almost at a disadvantage right away. Yeah, I'm sure there's exceptions to the rule, but I've noticed that trend a large portion of the time, as studio/externally lit shots just look better and more professional. I can't speak for all other 21 (or less) year olds, but I certainly don't have the budget nor space to stage anything like that.
I'm sure someone disagrees, so fire away. |
You'd be amazed at what you can accomplish with home-made lighting in a small room. In fact, I highly recommend it as the best way to start if "studio work" interests you. There's simply no better way to learn the intricacies of lighting than by working with a bare-bones setup and discovering what the limitations are and how to creatively overcome them.
I'm speaking as a former professional photographer and one who taught photography at the University level. I used to have a huge studio with all the goodies; lights, tents, fog machines, soft boxes, two cyclorama walls, you name it. I got NONE of that stuff now and all my "setups" are done in my kitchen using a north skylight, a window wall for fill (it has vertical blinds that can be used to control the light), and at night tungsten track lights. I use a moveable floor lamp with a gooseneck too.
This may not be the most "professional" lighting but you can produce clean, competent work with it: any failure on my part to ribbon with this setup is due to lack of effort/initiative/creativity on my part, not to shortcomings in my equipment.
  
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05/25/2006 02:39:29 PM · #69 |
My first thought was "yeah, that would be cool" but actually if i was to enter and got a personal best/top 10/whatever, I'd kinda be ashamed of it. Much rather keep plodding along til I get good enough to get a top 10 in a standard challenge. Would be worth a lot more in my books
So no, I wouldn't enter, for fear of doing better than I deserve ;)
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05/25/2006 02:49:49 PM · #70 |
I like that idea a lot. I'm under 21 and I've taken a few photography courses and entered in some local competitions, etc. and while I definitely am proud of a lot of my photos, they don't measure up to the standards of more experienced photographers. I think it would be fun to compete with people of a similar experience level
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05/25/2006 05:50:41 PM · #71 |
wow, I didn't think that this idea would be so controversial.
I think everyone's concerns are valid.
Also, I think that having an under 21 challenge couldn't hurt, if it flopped, then it flopped and the site could move on, but you never know, it might go over pretty good, it seems there are enough people here who would like to participate, why strike the idea down because some people don't like it?
Only the people who want to enter will enter... maybe it could be offered in addition to the other open challenges, so that way we're not short on the regularly scheduled challenges. |
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05/25/2006 05:54:58 PM · #72 |
This suggestion doesn't bother me but I think it should just be an extra challenge that way nobody is losing the number of eligible challenges they can enter in a week.
As for kirsty_mcn point, that occurred to me also but we seem to have a very talented under 21 crowd so I would totally expect great images to be produced in such a challenge and thus worthy of ribbons regardless of the exclusivity involved.
Message edited by author 2006-05-25 17:55:24.
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05/25/2006 06:49:13 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
... MOST competitive endeavors have age-grouping built in, actually. I started sailboat racing in junior sailing, eventually got good enough to compete at the adult level. Ditto golf. Like chess? as a kid you'll be playing juniors tournaments. And so forth. ... |
When you compete in those junior sailing regattas, or junior chess tournaments, are your results scored in the same standings where adults are competing? Does the winner of a junior golf tournament deserve to get a trophy just as big as the winner of an open-to-all-ages tournament?
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05/25/2006 06:56:53 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by coolhar:
I just don't see how an age restricted challenge is beneficial to the site or the age group. |
I agree with Harvey here (wow, that's odd). In fact, age restricted challenges almost feels like discrimination to me. What would we say if admins decided on a male only challenge or a Icelander specific challenge?
I don't mind invitationals based on talent or comments given, but, I just can't support this. |
Oh puhleeze, it's just for fun. People can and do claim discrimination for everything, personally I see it as an excuse. In the grand scheme of things does it really matter? People shave odd shapes into the butts of poodles in order to compete with other poodles. why? Because they want to claim to be the best weird-shaved poodle butt in the competition. What's wrong with having the same fun and letting people fight for the best icelandic dpc'er, the best age-group dpc'er, or even the best male/female dpc'er. Am I going to get all pouty and have a tantrum because I cant compete with other photographers that have puppy dog tails and instead am forced to compete with sugar and spice instead?
Then again, I guess it may be better to not have extra challenges and not have extra fun because that would be like... wrong or something.
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05/25/2006 06:57:04 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by xianart:
I was thinking today: (woah, stop the presses....)
no, seriously. there are quite a few younger members and non-members. what about an under-21 challenge - open only to those members under 21 years old? |
I think that is an excellent idea. I'd even like to see it capped at 18. I am amazed by some of the young talent on DPC.
edit: Maybe not 18, there wouldn't be enough entries.
Message edited by author 2006-05-25 18:57:50.
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