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 05/22/2006 08:43:46 AM · #26
Originally posted by alfresco:
It's official - Rikki is banned from this challenge!!!

:P


Noooooooooooooooooo!

You can't ban Rikki!

Who else are we to blame when we get bad scores.....hehehehe!!

Sorry Rikki!

Message edited by author 2006-05-22 08:43:59.
 05/22/2006 08:47:10 AM · #27
If we had to ban Rikki from architecture, then we would have to ban the likes of Kiwiness and Nasti from portraiture, DrJones and Judi from nudes, fotomann_forever from cheese - where would it end?

No, better to allow the experts to stay in so that someone can be a David to their Goliath.

Or something like that :-)
 05/22/2006 08:48:41 AM · #28
Originally posted by Rikki:
Time to bust out the TS lens ;)


Hey SC,
for the 99.99% of us who don't own or have access to a TS lens and want to shoot for 2nd or 3rd place, can we use a little skew, perspective, or lens correction filter?

Or would that be considered moving a major element?
(I'm pretty sure that walls are major elements.)
 05/22/2006 09:42:08 AM · #29
Originally posted by shanksware:
Originally posted by Rikki:
Time to bust out the TS lens ;)


Hey SC,
for the 99.99% of us who don't own or have access to a TS lens and want to shoot for 2nd or 3rd place, can we use a little skew, perspective, or lens correction filter?

Or would that be considered moving a major element?
(I'm pretty sure that walls are major elements.)

That is allowed in advanced editing.
 05/22/2006 09:46:19 AM · #30
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
So, Bear, you don't like the Georgian style of the Old Coastguard Station? That is architecture, and I saw some really nice lines at Provincetown. How could you say you got nothing interesting. To you maybe, but there are alot of people out here who might find it interesting. Just need to get the right angle to give it a new perspective.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
We'll have to watch out for bear_music on this one...


Not if past form holds: clean, modern buildings or ornate, classical ones seem to dominate, and we have neither here; I have to drive a couple hours for those. All the mansions are inaccessible here, too, the best ones anyway. I did a cottage last time and bombed...

R.


She's right, you could get a really kick @$$ picture of the P-Town monument at sunset.

My late-grandmother lived on Cape Cod, so I spent many a summer there.... if you're wondering. I doubt I'll ever go up there again, but sometimes I wish I could.

What the heck is a TS lens?

Message edited by author 2006-05-22 09:46:57.
 05/22/2006 09:52:51 AM · #31
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
Can we view the results of the first two architecture challenges?

No trips to Boston planned for this week, Bear? I'll probably end up sitting this one out too just because there's nothing that interesting around here.


Architecture 2

Architecture 1
 05/22/2006 11:15:44 AM · #32
Originally posted by Larus:
Wow! This is so NOT my venue and I still plan on kicking ass! The Architecture II challenge was really the first challenge here I really put some effort into my entry, the ones before it I didn´t really make a big effort but I consider that challenge to be the key to me to DPC, I REALLY wanted to do well in that challenge and it was pretty much the first Architecture shot I had taken. It was the challenge that sparked the drive for me to do well here at DPC.

Wish me luck, I think I´ll need it, especially if Rikki plans on entering this one :P


Heehehehehe. This will be a tough one for me this week. I have a huge 250,000sf project due this next Tueasday. As Monday is a holiday here in the US, we'll be scarmbling throughout the weekened. Sigh!
 05/22/2006 12:03:05 PM · #33
Originally posted by Rikki:
Originally posted by Larus:
Wow! This is so NOT my venue and I still plan on kicking ass! The Architecture II challenge was really the first challenge here I really put some effort into my entry, the ones before it I didn´t really make a big effort but I consider that challenge to be the key to me to DPC, I REALLY wanted to do well in that challenge and it was pretty much the first Architecture shot I had taken. It was the challenge that sparked the drive for me to do well here at DPC.

Wish me luck, I think I´ll need it, especially if Rikki plans on entering this one :P


Heehehehehe. This will be a tough one for me this week. I have a huge 250,000sf project due this next Tueasday. As Monday is a holiday here in the US, we'll be scarmbling throughout the weekened. Sigh!


In other words, at 11:30PM on Sunday you'll take a "snapshot" that score 7.2 and get blue.
 05/22/2006 12:05:28 PM · #34
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
So, Bear, you don't like the Georgian style of the Old Coastguard Station? That is architecture, and I saw some really nice lines at Provincetown. How could you say you got nothing interesting. To you maybe, but there are alot of people out here who might find it interesting. Just need to get the right angle to give it a new perspective.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
We'll have to watch out for bear_music on this one...


Not if past form holds: clean, modern buildings or ornate, classical ones seem to dominate, and we have neither here; I have to drive a couple hours for those. All the mansions are inaccessible here, too, the best ones anyway. I did a cottage last time and bombed...

R.


It's not a matter of what *I* like or dislike (I moved here of my own free will, I like it fine here, buildings and all) but of what the *voters* tend to like best. I'll certainly give it my best shot :-)

R.
 05/22/2006 12:16:21 PM · #35
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
What the heck is a TS lens?

A Tilt-Shift lens allows the lens to be moved so that it is no longer parallel to the film/sensor plane, and can be moved off-center from the central axis.

It allows you to "pre-correct" the perspective distortion you'd normally get if, for example, you took a picture of tall buildings where they all lean into the picture. They were much more common on old view cameras, where the lens plate and the film holder are separate elements, connected by the base and bellows rather than a rigid camera body, but are made for 35mm-type cameras as well.
 05/22/2006 12:23:56 PM · #36
I'm going to shoot a house.... Rikki's house! :P
 05/22/2006 12:27:01 PM · #37
those top 10 winneres from Architecture 1 and 2 are pretty Intimidating... some nice photos dont know if i want to submit or not =) just playing.....a chance to grow...=)

Message edited by author 2006-05-22 12:27:15.
 05/22/2006 12:54:21 PM · #38
Originally posted by Larus:
Ban Rikki? Nonsense, it´s much more fun beating him at his own game :)


Larus is in Iceland. I saw his shot from Architecture ll. I say just give the guy the blue and lets move on. NEXT!
 05/22/2006 01:14:29 PM · #39
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
What the heck is a TS lens?

A Tilt-Shift lens allows the lens to be moved so that it is no longer parallel to the film/sensor plane, and can be moved off-center from the central axis.

It allows you to "pre-correct" the perspective distortion you'd normally get if, for example, you took a picture of tall buildings where they all lean into the picture. They were much more common on old view cameras, where the lens plate and the film holder are separate elements, connected by the base and bellows rather than a rigid camera body, but are made for 35mm-type cameras as well.


To be precise:

In order that the verticals in an image not appear to converge, it is necessary that the plane of the sensor be parallel to the plane of the subject; i.e., in the case of an architectural shot, the back of the camera must be vertically aligned. The problem is that when you do this, you get too much foreground and the top of the building gets cut off. So you point the camera up, and you get converging verticals.

The "shift" part of a tilt/shift lens works thusly: the lens is designed to throw an image circle substantially larger than the size of the sensor. You square the camera vertically, then "shift" the lens vertically off-center until you have effectively moved the sensor into the portion of the image circle occupied by the building itself. There are limits to how much shift is possible, largely because of the shape of the "box" inside the camera. Large-format view cameras have no such restrictions, and they are incredibly versatile.

The "tilt" portion of the T/S lens is used to control DOF: the "Scheimpflug Rule" (I am not making this up) tells us that if the film plane, the object plane, and a plane at right angles to the axis of the lens all intersect at the same projected point, then everything along the object plane will be in focus. If anyone wants more info on this, ask me: but that's a different thread.

It's worth noting that the widest T/S lens made is 24mm (as far as I know) and this is not especially wide at all even on a FF camera, let alone a 1.6 crop camera, so these lenses are of relatively little use to those of us with 20D, D70, 350xt, etc. But there IS a workaround in you have an extreme rectilinear WA like the Canon 10-22mm zoom:

Using the lens at 10mm, compose your shot VERTICALLY with the camera back squared to vertical, leaving most of your subject above the center of the image, then crop to a horizontal image, eliminating unwanted foreground.

Robt.
 05/22/2006 02:20:28 PM · #40
Can we correct for this perspective distortion in editing or is that a "no no"?
 05/22/2006 02:23:55 PM · #41
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
Can we correct for this perspective distortion in editing or is that a "no no"?


Yes, in advanced editing.

R.
 05/22/2006 04:15:29 PM · #42
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
Can we correct for this perspective distortion in editing or is that a "no no"?


Yes, in advanced editing.

R.


Perspective correction as a correction is legal in advanced -- think "maintain photographic integrity" here ...

Use of the tool to deliberately introduce distortions is (probably) not legal.
 05/22/2006 04:29:20 PM · #43
Does this mean we can't post a picture of any type of structure built by human beings until after the voting ends?
 05/22/2006 04:32:02 PM · #44
Originally posted by kenskid:
Does this mean we can't post a picture of any type of structure built by human beings until after the voting ends?

You can post a picture on any other topic which "happens to include" a building. But a "photo of a building" shouldn't be the point of the posting.

As an example, a thread "My Recent Vacation in SF" could include the Golden Gate Bridge or Transamerica Pyramid and be OK, as long as you don't enter those/similar pictures.

A thread entitled "Historic Buildings of San Francisco" would be inappropriate right now.

Message edited by author 2006-05-22 16:35:15.
 05/22/2006 04:40:39 PM · #45
Should i not have done this in this thread....( maybe i should remove)
THREAD_ID=397374

Message edited by author 2006-05-22 16:40:52.
 05/22/2006 05:06:38 PM · #46
Originally posted by Givemeashot:
Should i not have done this in this thread....( maybe i should remove)
THREAD_ID=397374

It's somewhat less of a problem with old, ineligble "example" shots, but maybe it would make sense to change it to a text link.
 05/23/2006 09:15:12 PM · #47
Could use some guidance here. I would not be using the images I am posting, but I have a few questions. I tend to put too much in my images. So here are two of the same building, different angles. The black and white was entered in high contrast, and the other one uses leading lines to lead the eye to the building. Now, my tendency for architecture would be to use a technique such as in the color. However, there is a certain repetition in the roundness of the b&w. I don't know if an entry in architecture would include sculptures or leading lines, but I would like to know your opinion. I am heading to Hartford early tomorrow to see what I can find, but my tendency to use framing or leading lines may cause me to err. Any comments on what might be the best way to approach this?

05/25/2006 09:35:33 PM · #48
The first shot seems to "snapshot-ish" for an architecture image. The leading lines work but it doesn't tend to lead to a major element. There is a gate that prevents me from "visually" entering the building plus the door isn't the main entry.

Shot number 2 has more focus on the sculpture hence the title.

When shooting architecture, dynamic images work well. It doesn't have the be the full building either. Detail in the elements and composition, makes for a great shot.

I am coming from an architecture background and i help out with project photography so my understanding of what makes a good shot is slightly different than what would be successful here on DPC. Bear_music is in the same predicament it seems as he is also coming from being a profesional architectural photographer ;)

Nevertheless, there are shots that could make images sing. Here are some from my portfolio. As I mentioned, they don't have to be the entire building ;)



Cheers,

Rikki
 05/25/2006 09:42:28 PM · #49
If I'd had the time, this is the place I'd go for the Architecture challenge, but I can't make a trip into Tokyo this weekend :>(
05/26/2006 06:34:18 PM · #50
Before the capturing is done and the voting gets underway ... remember there are many kinds of architecture. Think marine architecture (ships), landscape architecture (gardens), technical architecture (software) and so on. Let your creative juices flow. Remain open minded in your voting.

Now back to regularly scheduled programming.
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