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05/01/2006 02:37:02 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think he was saying he's not surprised you are doing time in the 5.5's before you rise to stellar heights... |
Well, honestly, most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range. It makes no sense to me why it is not required that a voter leave a comment as to why they voted the way they did. If this site is truely for those to learn and expand their knowledge, then it would not just be encouraged that comments be left, but it would be mandatory. Yes, it would be overwhelming, but if people are willing to provide their vote, then it would seem that they should be equally willing to show why they voted the way they did. No comment on how to improve is not helping anybody. |
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05/01/2006 02:38:38 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by lfordhere:
Originally posted by yanko:
lfordhere, are you voting on every photo in each challenge? |
No, I don't have time to sit here and vote on every challenge, and each photo. I try to comment as much as possible, but I usually only make it to the 20% mark before quitting. |
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05/01/2006 02:40:16 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by lfordhere:
What is this supposed to mean? Simply because I don't want to be a member of this site anymore I suddenly don't learn so quick? How can you possibly connect those dots? |
DPC is a fickle client. It takes a little time to work out what works and what doesn't. To throw in the towel after just 2.5 challenges is exteremly premature as you can't yet know what will please the crowd and what will fail to deliver.
You mentioned your a quick learner in one of your first posts here and it looks to me like the only thing you've learnt is how to quit.
cheers,
bazz.
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05/01/2006 02:47:18 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by lfordhere:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think he was saying he's not surprised you are doing time in the 5.5's before you rise to stellar heights... |
Well, honestly, most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range. It makes no sense to me why it is not required that a voter leave a comment as to why they voted the way they did. If this site is truely for those to learn and expand their knowledge, then it would not just be encouraged that comments be left, but it would be mandatory. Yes, it would be overwhelming, but if people are willing to provide their vote, then it would seem that they should be equally willing to show why they voted the way they did. No comment on how to improve is not helping anybody. |
Dude, you keep going on about how TECHNICALLY perfect your pic is. Surely you gotta concede that even technically perfect shots can be flawed in other ways (and vice versa). Has it occurred to you that some shots might lack creativity etc and that folks vote them down a little because of it. Just a thought....
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05/01/2006 02:47:56 AM · #80 |
| As pointed out before.....isn't this the Free Study Score thread.....and........aren't we all (some more than others) taking this "contest" (read DPC) a little too seriously? There are no promotions to be had here........ |
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05/01/2006 02:52:53 AM · #81 |
| and I for one can't wait to see what a technically Perfect photo looks like! |
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05/01/2006 02:53:59 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
Originally posted by lfordhere:
What is this supposed to mean? Simply because I don't want to be a member of this site anymore I suddenly don't learn so quick? How can you possibly connect those dots? |
DPC is a fickle client. It takes a little time to work out what works and what doesn't. To throw in the towel after just 2.5 challenges is exteremly premature as you can't yet know what will please the crowd and what will fail to deliver.
You mentioned your a quick learner in one of your first posts here and it looks to me like the only thing you've learnt is how to quit.
cheers,
bazz. |
Actually I have learned that this site is made up of politics. It has little to do with the technical quality of the image and more to do with who's buddies with whom. Yes, I have only entered a few challenges, but I have looked through the previous challenges and have seen the political trend; people recognize the models, or subjects, from previous challenges and know that the person that took that photo then the vote is tainted and it is difficult for those people that actually do shoot decent pictures, but are new here, to get ahead. I don't look at it as quitting... it's moving on to bigger and better things whilst you people sit here and spin your wheels in the political bullshit this site caters to. As I said before... if there were a requirement for a person to say why they are voting the way they vote then the votes would be more sincere and thoughtout. I have seen this discussion before, and it doesn't look like anything is moving in that direction, so there is no place for me here.
It is unfortunate that you must dwell on me being such a quick learner... your focus on this leads me to believe that you are feeling a bit inferior and are trying to make up for it by directing your energy to me... somebody give him a hug.
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05/01/2006 02:54:45 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by jaxsond:
As pointed out before.....isn't this the Free Study Score thread.....and........aren't we all (some more than others) taking this "contest" (read DPC) a little too seriously? There are no promotions to be had here........ |
Actually, I think there are... Bragging rights are great! |
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05/01/2006 02:55:22 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by jaxsond:
and I for one can't wait to see what a technically Perfect photo looks like! |
I'm about to re-upload it... they apparently won't take the image down like i have asked, so my only route is a DQ |
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05/01/2006 02:57:06 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by lfordhere:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think he was saying he's not surprised you are doing time in the 5.5's before you rise to stellar heights... |
Well, honestly, most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range. |
Confused on what you are saying here.
Let me see if I understand. You are saying that "most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range".
That leads me to think that you believe that everyone here should be higher than a range of 4.5 to 5.5, if so why are you voting @ a 3.6 range. Is your own words telling us you are one of the "most of" people?
Originally posted by lfordhere:
It makes no sense to me why it is not required that a voter leave a comment as to why they voted the way they did. If this site is truely for those to learn and expand their knowledge, then it would not just be encouraged that comments be left, but it would be mandatory. Yes, it would be overwhelming, but if people are willing to provide their vote, then it would seem that they should be equally willing to show why they voted the way they did. No comment on how to improve is not helping anybody. |
If you feel this strongly then why do you have over a 1000 votes and only 300+ comments (and some comments are non-challenge related). So you don't comment on every vote? Why make it mandatory?
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05/01/2006 02:58:29 AM · #86 |
Wow, I could very well get my lowest score yet!
Votes: 19
Views: 24
Avg Vote: 4.1053
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 05/01/06 02:57 am
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05/01/2006 03:08:39 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Originally posted by lfordhere:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think he was saying he's not surprised you are doing time in the 5.5's before you rise to stellar heights... |
Well, honestly, most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range. |
Confused on what you are saying here.
Let me see if I understand. You are saying that "most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range".
That leads me to think that you believe that everyone here should be higher than a range of 4.5 to 5.5, if so why are you voting @ a 3.6 range. Is your own words telling us you are one of the "most of" people?
Originally posted by lfordhere:
It makes no sense to me why it is not required that a voter leave a comment as to why they voted the way they did. If this site is truely for those to learn and expand their knowledge, then it would not just be encouraged that comments be left, but it would be mandatory. Yes, it would be overwhelming, but if people are willing to provide their vote, then it would seem that they should be equally willing to show why they voted the way they did. No comment on how to improve is not helping anybody. |
If you feel this strongly then why do you have over a 1000 votes and only 300+ comments (and some comments are non-challenge related). So you don't comment on every vote? Why make it mandatory? |
I'm glad you asked... If everybody submitted a technically perfect photo, "technically perfect" meaning the exposure is correct, there is no imbalance in hue, no flash spots, vignetting, etc, then I feel that the scores would be much higher. The votes would be based soley on the composition of the photo, which is subjective. I have not yet seen a challenge where all of the photos were technically perfect, hence the reason why the 4.5-5.5 average score amongst all voters. I have voted so low because I base my votes first on how technically accurate the photo is and second, the composition of the photo. What I am saying is that if people are submitting photos that they feel are Perfect, but are so wrong, then they obviously do not have the idea of what a technically perfect photo is, as it is showing in this challenge.
About your second question... When I first started the site I was a button pusher... I voted the first number that came to mind after seeing the photo. Within the past two, or three, weeks I have become active again and since being more involved with my photo business I felt that it would be beneficial to provide comments to accomodate my vote, hence the reason for the lack of comments. |
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05/01/2006 03:12:42 AM · #88 |
Pretty soon Ken will be online and then its time to BBQ hehheheh
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05/01/2006 03:15:11 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Pretty soon Ken will be online and then its time to BBQ hehheheh |
What are you saying? How does this contribute to the conversation? |
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05/01/2006 03:15:24 AM · #90 |
| Your now-deleted profile was all about how you are here to learn and improve. If you already believe yourself to be perfect in every way, what, exactly, were you planning to learn? |
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05/01/2006 03:18:02 AM · #91 |
So how about them Broncos then, man they can play football. ;)
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05/01/2006 03:18:53 AM · #92 |
so what's your score Matt?
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05/01/2006 03:20:58 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by lfordhere:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Originally posted by lfordhere:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think he was saying he's not surprised you are doing time in the 5.5's before you rise to stellar heights... |
Well, honestly, most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range. |
Confused on what you are saying here.
Let me see if I understand. You are saying that "most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range".
That leads me to think that you believe that everyone here should be higher than a range of 4.5 to 5.5, if so why are you voting @ a 3.6 range. Is your own words telling us you are one of the "most of" people?
Originally posted by lfordhere:
It makes no sense to me why it is not required that a voter leave a comment as to why they voted the way they did. If this site is truely for those to learn and expand their knowledge, then it would not just be encouraged that comments be left, but it would be mandatory. Yes, it would be overwhelming, but if people are willing to provide their vote, then it would seem that they should be equally willing to show why they voted the way they did. No comment on how to improve is not helping anybody. |
If you feel this strongly then why do you have over a 1000 votes and only 300+ comments (and some comments are non-challenge related). So you don't comment on every vote? Why make it mandatory? |
I'm glad you asked... If everybody submitted a technically perfect photo, "technically perfect" meaning the exposure is correct, there is no imbalance in hue, no flash spots, vignetting, etc, then I feel that the scores would be much higher. The votes would be based soley on the composition of the photo, which is subjective. I have not yet seen a challenge where all of the photos were technically perfect, hence the reason why the 4.5-5.5 average score amongst all voters. I have voted so low because I base my votes first on how technically accurate the photo is and second, the composition of the photo. What I am saying is that if people are submitting photos that they feel are Perfect, but are so wrong, then they obviously do not have the idea of what a technically perfect photo is, as it is showing in this challenge.
About your second question... When I first started the site I was a button pusher... I voted the first number that came to mind after seeing the photo. Within the past two, or three, weeks I have become active again and since being more involved with my photo business I felt that it would be beneficial to provide comments to accomodate my vote, hence the reason for the lack of comments. |
I thank you for IMO being honest with your responses in accordance with the way you feel. I would like to ask a question and have you answer it for me. Pick anyone of my challenge entries and tell me what you think it should of scored based on your analysis. Then pick anyone of your photos and do the same. NOTE: this is not I think you are better or I am better question. I just want to understand your version of "technically perfect or imperfect". Which in my opinion neither excist. Kind of like the speed of light, you can get within 99.9% but never achieve 100%. Just my opinion :)
Message edited by author 2006-05-01 03:23:57.
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05/01/2006 03:22:07 AM · #94 |
| Jeez, three hours and already two favourites?? Cool. |
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05/01/2006 03:24:29 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
so what's your score Matt?
;) |
Not that good Rikki, hovering around the 6 mark. Luckly I'm doing better in the Photojournalism II challenge.
Yourself mate?
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05/01/2006 03:24:54 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by mk:
Your now-deleted profile was all about how you are here to learn and improve. If you already believe yourself to be perfect in every way, what, exactly, were you planning to learn? |
I'm not sure that's what I said, and frankly I can't remember, sorry... I'm not perfect, nor is my photography, but the image that I have submitted to this challenge is technically perfect and the thought that it is now down to a 5.0 just proves to me that most of the people here have no idea.
Furthermore, I received a comment about my studio portrait, from the "critique club" where the person had no training in portrait photography... Why have somebody in a special club critiquing photos on a type of photography that they have never been trained? I thought for sure I would get an answer from an educated photographer, but I esentially received a regular comment from a regular user. |
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05/01/2006 03:43:44 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Originally posted by lfordhere:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Originally posted by lfordhere:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think he was saying he's not surprised you are doing time in the 5.5's before you rise to stellar heights... |
Well, honestly, most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range. |
Confused on what you are saying here.
Let me see if I understand. You are saying that "most of the people here do not have a clue what makes a technically good photo, good; if they did, then I feel like the average score from every voter would be higher than the 4.5 to 5.5 range".
That leads me to think that you believe that everyone here should be higher than a range of 4.5 to 5.5, if so why are you voting @ a 3.6 range. Is your own words telling us you are one of the "most of" people?
Originally posted by lfordhere:
It makes no sense to me why it is not required that a voter leave a comment as to why they voted the way they did. If this site is truely for those to learn and expand their knowledge, then it would not just be encouraged that comments be left, but it would be mandatory. Yes, it would be overwhelming, but if people are willing to provide their vote, then it would seem that they should be equally willing to show why they voted the way they did. No comment on how to improve is not helping anybody. |
If you feel this strongly then why do you have over a 1000 votes and only 300+ comments (and some comments are non-challenge related). So you don't comment on every vote? Why make it mandatory? |
I'm glad you asked... If everybody submitted a technically perfect photo, "technically perfect" meaning the exposure is correct, there is no imbalance in hue, no flash spots, vignetting, etc, then I feel that the scores would be much higher. The votes would be based soley on the composition of the photo, which is subjective. I have not yet seen a challenge where all of the photos were technically perfect, hence the reason why the 4.5-5.5 average score amongst all voters. I have voted so low because I base my votes first on how technically accurate the photo is and second, the composition of the photo. What I am saying is that if people are submitting photos that they feel are Perfect, but are so wrong, then they obviously do not have the idea of what a technically perfect photo is, as it is showing in this challenge.
About your second question... When I first started the site I was a button pusher... I voted the first number that came to mind after seeing the photo. Within the past two, or three, weeks I have become active again and since being more involved with my photo business I felt that it would be beneficial to provide comments to accomodate my vote, hence the reason for the lack of comments. |
I thank you for IMO being honest with your responses in accordance with the way you feel. I would like to ask a question and have you answer it for me. Pick anyone of my challenge entries and tell me what you think it should of scored based on your analysis. Then pick anyone of your photos and do the same. NOTE: this is not I think you are better or I am better question. I just want to understand your version of "technically perfect or imperfect". Which in my opinion neither excist. Kind of like the speed of light, you can get within 99.9% but never achieve 100%. Just my opinion :) |
I have just commented on your "rays of love" photo. I am now working on my analysis of my studio portrait. |
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05/01/2006 04:06:47 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by lfordhere:
...The quality of my photo is exceptional, yet my score is 5.5. It's a FREE STUDY for crying out loud, which implies to me to judge the photo based on how technically sound it is... |
If you really think that a photo should be rated high only because it's technically perfect, then you have a lot to learn yet. The most technically perfect photo still sucks if the composition is lousy. Composition and the way a photo is exposed are far more important than technique.
A true artist has both qualities.
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05/01/2006 04:09:16 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by Titia:
Originally posted by lfordhere:
...The quality of my photo is exceptional, yet my score is 5.5. It's a FREE STUDY for crying out loud, which implies to me to judge the photo based on how technically sound it is... |
If you really think that a photo should be rated high only because it's technically perfect, then you have a lot to learn yet. The most technically perfect photo still sucks if the composition is lousy. Composition and the way a photo is exposed are far more important than technique.
A true artist has both qualities. |
You contradict yourself here. |
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05/01/2006 04:10:14 AM · #100 |
| Ok, Southern Gentleman, I have commented on my photo now. |
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