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Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

04/27/2006 12:00:51 AM · #1

I've had my '30D' for a week now, and it's obvious that it has more 'noise' at ISO 100 than my Digital Rebel 300D has at ISO 100. What's the deal?!

Has anyone else noticed this?

Sammie

Olympus OM-D E-M5

Canon EF 28-200mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

04/27/2006 12:06:11 AM · #2

My '30D' has almost NO 'noise' even at ISO 800 and above.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/27/2006 12:09:53 AM · #3

Originally posted by Plexxoid:

...'30D'... more 'noise' at ISO 100 than... Digital Rebel 300D has at ISO 100... Has anyone else noticed this?

Not at all... quite the opposite.

TerryGee

04/27/2006 12:11:04 AM · #4

my '30D' has no noticable 'noise' up to 800 and does well at 1600..it behaves pretty much as the 20d did...the rebel has much more 'noise'...it starts being visible at 400.
yours must have a problem or perhaps you are underexposing your images greatly?

04/27/2006 02:17:07 AM · #5

Blah,blah,blah!

Rebel setings at RAW sharpness is -1

Default at 30 D is plus 1

Go to the setting\s ,lover the sharpnee and don't underexpose photos !

'30d' is not for everybody :-0

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

04/27/2006 03:01:07 AM · #6

Your not the only one. Apparently there are a number of '30D' owners that are having the same problem and also a few reported problems of banding...both vertical and horizontal. :(

I suggest you do a search on "'30d' 'noise'" at the '30D' forum at dpreview.

cheers,
bazz.

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM for Canon

04/27/2006 03:49:22 AM · #7

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Nikon guys (Canon haters ) are writing that crap.

'30D' is very nice camera and 'noise' is only if underexposed photo get processed lighter.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

04/27/2006 04:22:07 AM · #8

Originally posted by pitsaman:

Nikon guys (Canon haters ) are writing that crap.

'30D' is very nice camera and 'noise' is only if underexposed photo get processed lighter.

I've no doubt it's a fine camera but if it's just the Nikon fanbois playing around then they're doing a damn good job.

The vertical banding aqppears to be a real problem in the shadows.

As an example, here's a 100% crop from a '30D'.
Sample

cheers,
bazz.

Message edited by author 2006-04-27 04:22:45.

GIS_boy

Canon EOS-7D

04/27/2006 04:54:51 AM · #9

Ouch! Don't think I'd be too happy with that added feature.

ragamuffingirl

Sony Alpha NEX-5N

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/27/2006 06:33:57 AM · #10

Is banding those darker lines going down through the background? What ISO was this shot at? There also seems to be 'noise' in the background

This is the first time I've read anything negative about the '30D'. Maybe the first poster just got a stinker?

Message edited by author 2006-04-27 06:35:33.

LindaLee

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

04/27/2006 08:11:34 AM · #11

I bought 2 '30D''s the last week of March. We've shot over 2000 frames on both of them and we are astounded at how noiseless they are. I always had huge problems with 'noise' on my 20D, so I am absolutely delighted with the '30D'.

I hate even hearing that someone is having 'noise' problems with theirs.

I know this: if I saw even the tiniest issue with these new cameras, I'd be on the phone to Canon ASAP. They eventually worked out most of the issues with my 20D, and overall, were very concerned and helpful.

Philos

04/27/2006 08:55:46 AM · #12

I am not 100% happy with the way Canon shipped my camera, it was full of dust, but 'noise' or banding with my copy of this camera are no issue.
I am EXTREMELY happy with the low 'noise' of the '30D'.

Here you can see test shots that I have done on ALL iso settings, go take a look, view them at 100% and tell me if you still think the '30D' is noisy.

A camera that produces pics like the banding one should be returned to Canon. But I prefer to believe it is "Canon Bashing" by some Nikonians.
Like some Canon shooters liked to bash the 200D because some early versions had banding...

Sorry to sound so annoyed, but I am getting sick and tired of the Canon/Nikon is better game.
A Canon or a Nikon (or Pentax or ....... type name of your own personal favorite brand) all produce great results in the hands of someone that knows how to use them.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

04/27/2006 10:02:31 AM · #13

Originally posted by Philos31:

I am not 100% happy with the way Canon shipped my camera, it was full of dust, but 'noise' or banding with my copy of this camera are no issue.
I am EXTREMELY happy with the low 'noise' of the '30D'.

Hi Peter,

I am forum admin on another photography forum and to the best of my knowledge the shot I linked is a legitimate crop from a '30D' of one of our members taken at at ISO 1600, f5.6 at 1/60s . I certainly wasn't suggesting that all the '30D''s have a banding problem but after reading the threads at dpreview believed it may be more widespread than just the one member on our forum.

Apologies if my post came across as brand bashing but in all honesty it wasn't by design.

cheers,
bazz.

Philos

04/27/2006 11:50:18 AM · #14

Hi Garry,

My reply wasnt personal, not to you or the OP.
It is just that every time a new camera comes out that there are a number of people who start complaining.
Some because they have a real problem, some because they don't know what they are doing, and some just to stir things up.
These kind of things are especially true for DPreviews forums.

The '30D' is a very new camera and there could be some problems with the early batches of this camera, one of them is dust, I have got a lot of e-mail from people that got their camera with a very dirty sensor.
It could be that there are some camera's with 'noise' problems, and there IS a banding problem, as Phil (dpreview) mentioned in the review.

I know that Nikon had a problem with banding in their first batch of D200's, I know Canon has some Banding problems in the 20D en '30D' under special circumstances and only with AI-focus (AFAIK)
And it is great that people talk about this, but what I don't understand is that if something like this happens that instantly everybody has the same problem.

Does my '30D' have banding issues? I don't know and I will never find out, I am not going to shoot at ISO1600 with AI focus ever, so I will not find out if it has this problem.

If you do shoot a lot with these settings and the camera doesn't perform the way it is expected to, then just return it. That's why we have warranty.

Did we hear Librodo complain about banding issues? Or Pedro, or Kiwiness? They have the D200, but I guess they have never even tested them for these problems, because they go out and shoot, real world pics, not laboratory setup shots.

As I said before, Camera's are as good as the photographers that use them, it doesn't really matter what brand it is.

And as a Canon shooter I can say, I have had the Nikon D200 in my hands, and it is really a camera to drool over. I would be very happy with it, but I choose Canon and my '30D' is also a capable camera and I am very happy with it...

So I make sense? I guess not...

Well, again it wasn't personal, I just had to let this go ha ha

Back to being a nice person ;-)

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

04/27/2006 02:26:17 PM · #15

6 gear Manual Corvette is a very slow car for someone who doesn't know how to drive stick-shift!

I got 500 shots with 30 D and haven't seen any of that stuff you guys are talking about.

I think '30D' is a BMW of the cameras.

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

04/28/2006 12:31:56 PM · #16

My uncle purchased a 120,000 dollar custom BMW Roadster from a celebrity customer of his. It rattled all over the place and had no end of problems. Even though it was a high end Bimmer... My other uncle and his son both own nice BMW's which were originally priced a fair bit lower. No problems there. It is curious that the really high end roadster was originally built in the USA, so the USA plant got the bad rap for the rattly custom.

To be honest, this is pretty ridiculous. Even the best (and I'm not a fan of BMW myself, so I'm hardly suggesting that they are the best) let things slip through the cracks now and then.

Letting a few hundred, or indeed even a few thousand cameras slip through the cracks that have a rare and hard to discover fault is not a major sign of badness on either side of the Canon/Nikon fence. There were a number of people that were turned off of Nikon because they refused to deal with the issue properly, but that's not the issue in this thread.

If there is a problem with your shots, take lab tested shots and send them to your local canon rep. Ask him what to do. He will probably send you to the nearest shop to have the camera checked out.

Print out the Email response and take it with your camera to the shop.

Should work just fine.

It's very possible that Librodo and the others don't complain of banding issues with their D200's because they don't have this issue in their camera. Camera to camera variation is to be expected. Even anticipated.

Prof_Fate

05/07/2006 01:22:21 PM · #17

My '30D' has issues at ISO200 in RAW - so far as i've noticed to this point.

Some suggestions on the web say shoot in Adobe RGB instead of sRGB..I will try that, as well as some more serious testing.

deapee

Kodak V803

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

05/07/2006 02:23:09 PM · #18

hrmm there should be a delete button for threads so we can get rid of innapropriate comments...either that or just stop making them in the first place...hrmm

Message edited by author 2006-05-07 14:59:43.

ragamuffingirl

Sony Alpha NEX-5N

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/07/2006 03:15:40 PM · #19

I took some JPEGs in 800 ISO today, and there's no noticable 'noise' at all. The focus, however, is a little softer than I would like. I guess I'll try to up the in-camera sharpness again.

My brother, who's a Nikon man, looked it over yesterday and was impressed by the metering and saturation, but also noticed the soft focus out of camera.

I might try that adobe RGB too.

Message edited by author 2006-05-07 15:16:16.

Prof_Fate

05/07/2006 04:25:43 PM · #20

I was asking this smae question over at fredmiranda at i posted untouched RAW converted to JPG (no sharpening, etc). MANY comments on 'out of focus' or 'soft'. Then one or two chimed in and pointed to threads at DPReview - apparently the '30D' is softer than the 300/350//10/20 bodies. Apperently it's intentional on canon's part.

I have also noticed that Faithfull is a good bit lower on contrast than standard or even landscape. Neutral seems to be the lest saturated and lowest contrast - too flat for me.

There was some discussion on 'noise' and it being effected by the RAW conversion software - hard to say on the '30D' as not much out there convert those files.

I may post a thread on software conversion vs 'noise'...

AdrlnJunkie11

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

05/08/2006 11:27:43 AM · #21

i hate to tell you this but if your '30D' is noisy...you have a bad copy. my first '30D' was very noisy. even when i shot pictures on a bright clear sunny day. i shot two identical shots on my old '30D' and my Rebel XT (same lens, same camera settings), the Rebel's images blew away the '30D'. i sent it back to the dealer and they exchanged it for another one. my second '30D' is awesome, awesome, awesome! even at iso 1600 'noise' level is still very low and usable. so call you dealer and exchange your camera if the exchange period hasn't expired. don't try to go through canon's warrenty...it's a waste of time and money.

05/08/2006 10:11:33 PM · #22

I have seen some of those samples.

That is not an ISO 'noise'.
People underexpose the photos,then lighten up hard with the conversion software and all the shadow areas get distorted colors or posterisation.
ADVICE: Use only ISO 100,200,400,800 and 1600.

In-between steps are noisier than they should be ,I don't like the 'noise' at ISO 640.

new pic:

Plexxoid