You opinion on this way to vote on Challenges

04/20/2006 11:25:26 AM · #1

Good morning/afternoon/evening all!!

First, I want to thank all of you for your input!!!! I especially want to thank all who respectfully stated how and why making â��comments requiredâ�� a difficult thing to do during voting on challenge. I also want to thank the many who support the idea.

I have come to terms that â��commentsâ�� should be incur raged but voluntary .

I have given this much thought and was looking for a fair and productive way on voting for Challenges.
Many stated it would take to long for comments. Respectfully, I agree!
Many stated it would be to hard to enforce. Again, I agree!
I have came up with an idea and again I am looking for your onions on why the following will or will not work.
All I ask is keep your comments on the idea and please no personal attacks since my only reason for doing this is to help, period.

My reason for this idea is to hopefully get people to look more subjectively at Challenge entries, and in a way, you will be giving a selective comment when voting. This way of voting will take only a few seconds more of your valuable time per vote, but will challenge you to give a fair, and knowledgeable, vote.

Here are the categories for voting; Please Note:
Boxes will follow the categories numbered 1, 2, 3 ,4 & 5. 3 being escapable. 1= â��poorâ��. 2= â��needs improvementâ��. 4= â�� excelsâ��, and 5's=â�� I would be hoping would beâ�� ones pick as the best in that category.

Creativity = 1 2 3 4 5
Composition = 1 2 3 4 5
Lighting = 1 2 3 4 5
Contrast = 1 2 3 4 5
Focus = 1 2 3 4 5

At this point, I encourage you to leave a reasoning for your ratings.

Highest totals would be the winner-Award Ribbons in order of placement.
A tie would be settled in a one day (24 Hour) vote as done currently, â��pick your favoriteâ��

What do you all think?
PLEASE LOOK AT IT WITH AND OPEN MIND.
Thank you!

04/20/2006 11:30:57 AM · #2

My personal opinion, and this is nothing against you, is that perhaps you should actually spend some time on DPC and honestly participate before you come up with a variety of ways to "fix" it. You've been here a very short time (which is not to say that your opinion is less valued) and you state that your sole entry was meant as a test to "see how dedicated the people are on here to photography." You've commented a bit but apparently haven't voted any. Perhaps instead of putting us to the test and before suggesting complete overhauls of the system, you should give it a chance with some real participation.

Rikki

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

04/20/2006 11:32:22 AM · #3

agrred ;)

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/20/2006 11:54:11 AM · #4

Echo what MK said (or "agrred" as Rikki aptly put it). I did the same thing within a month of being on the site. In fact, made nearly the exact same suggestion. I subsequently got into a raging thread and ~~probably~~ undoubtedly pissed some people off and ultimately got the crap kicked out of me and had to surrender.

Search for past threads about voting methods and read ALL of it. They are numerous and they always end the same way - no change - which I have come to learn is the way it should be. You are free to vote any way you choose. If you want to break out your votes into categories, put that in the comments. I've done this many times and still do when I have time.

Welcome to DPC, have fun & enjoy. :)

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/20/2006 11:54:35 AM · #5

I'm against all voting categories, because each person is entitled to vote based on whatever "categories" s/he thinks is appropriate. There is no objective way to separate and catalog the components of an esthetic response.

kirsty_mcn

Olympus E-500 EVOLT

Olympus 17.5-45mm f/3.5-5.6

04/20/2006 12:10:34 PM · #6

I'm sure someone here had designed a little applet to calculate your score based on similar categories, and paste a summary into the textbox. Anyone remember? Quite a while ago, methinks.

04/20/2006 12:14:52 PM · #7

mk, Yes I did my voting in the "Yellow" Challange, and that is where I noticed how long it takes to give a fair comment and meet your 20% needed. Sorry, didnt mean to offend you. Just trying to help. I am a paying member and if Im not mistaken, it gives me the opertunity to give my opinion. I knew I would come against a lot of opposition but was hoping fair and open minded opposition. Thank you!

04/20/2006 12:19:25 PM · #8

You are certainly welcome to offer your opinions. You asked for ours and I offered mine as well. :)

But just so you know, you apparently didn't vote enough entries in Yellow because your votes weren't counted.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

04/20/2006 12:42:16 PM · #9

mk, Im sorry I was incorrect. I thought I met the 20%. Is there conformation to meeting the goal other then the slide rule on the bottom? I wanted to make comments and not give "blind" votes. Your system forces you to just pick anything to reach the 20%.
I was hoping to make it easier to reach that 20% and give a far rating to my votes. Again, just trying to help, not intentially "overhaul", your system. I'd like to use the word, "improve", not "fix". I never said it was broken. Sorry you need to feel you need put words in where I never put them. The time and effort I am putting in to help, most would think, is a sign of someone who really cares!? Sorry you dont feel that way. Thank you!

MayaM

Canon EOS-50D

04/20/2006 03:25:25 PM · #10

Originally posted by f-Stop1:

Your system forces you to just pick anything to reach the 20%.

f-Stop 1, I just wanted to mention, incase you don't know, that the order in which the pictures appear is random, and different for each user. What you see, is different than what I see. This is mainly done to even out the voting and commenting. A lot of people when they vote, vote the entire challenge, but then there are those that don't. So, this helps to ensure that the same pics are not receiving all of the attention. Because of the voting flow, i.e. you vote on one image and you are taken to the next image, it also discourages just picking and voting for the ones a person likes the best. So, what may seem like madness, is actually method.

As for knowing when you have met the 20% voting requirement, make sure that the line under the slider actually says the percentage, the slider can look close, but you may still be 1 or so votes off the mark. The percentage is also reiterated on the main thumbnail page for the challenge under the "stats" section.

Hope this helps,

Maya

Panasonic DMW-LTZ10 1.5x Teleconverter

04/20/2006 03:53:51 PM · #11

MayaM, Thank you, and yes that was helpful!! I am still learning DPC. I like this site, but new eyes equal new ideas. Since there is several threads concerning voting/comments, maybe one should at least give it some thought, instead of automaticlly writing one is out of line for sugjesting change that has the potential to help all interested. Again, thanks!!

Prof_Fate

04/20/2006 04:01:13 PM · #12

As long as you give my entries a 10, I don't care what method you use for the rest of them ;P

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

04/20/2006 04:02:12 PM · #13

Originally posted by f-Stop1:

... instead of automaticlly writing one is out of line for sugjesting change that has the potential to help all interested. Again, thanks!!

You need to get past that thought...nobody said you were out of line.

Everyone is trying to play nice and get along. ;^)

kari1

Panasonic DMC-FZ20

04/20/2006 04:03:42 PM · #14

Bugger ... no one told me I had to play nice ... that just is not fair ;)

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

04/20/2006 04:45:37 PM · #15

glad2badad, thanks for your comment and correction! Bad choice of words on my part. Nobody "wrote" I was out of line. On this thread knowbody even sugjested it. My other thread last night conserning the first time I brought up "comments", you go thru those and one can feel that way.

I hope you are correct that all will try to "be nice" and "get along"
I am all for that! But, I am one that does not believe that things cant be changed. I am looking for a concrete reason why it can be done. Why it shouldnt be done. I am a reasonable person. In my thread 4/19/06, I conceeded that making "comments manditory" was the wronge way to go about it because it consumed to much time and would be tough to enforce.
I am putting time and effort into something I feel can work and help others. Again, thanks for the comment, and correction!

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

04/20/2006 04:54:38 PM · #16

I brought up this very theme (or a similar one) quite some time ago. It was pounded into the ground for several reasons. Most people didn't think it was worth the time it would take to vote an image in multiple categories. Changing the voting structure here would also 'upset' the challenge history by having a very large group of photos that have been voted by one standard, and then a new group voted by a different one. The 1-10 scale is already in place and it works.

Everyone has their own skew on that scale, and they vote how they feel.

You can always vote that way yourself, weight the categories however you see fit, and generate a single score based on your evaluation.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/20/2006 05:01:28 PM · #17

Originally posted by kirsty_mcn:

I'm sure someone here had designed a little applet to calculate your score based on similar categories, and paste a summary into the textbox. Anyone remember? Quite a while ago, methinks.

Was it Ken's link in this thread? //www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=88458

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

04/20/2006 05:03:52 PM · #18

just helping mk make a clickable link in here
there ya go, mk *g*