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05/01/2006 12:43:08 PM · #326 |
| I agree with mk. There are a few (a very few, probably) of us who have significantly more comments given than received, undoubtedly due to the fact we (the very few) don't have any ribbons. Not that my score in the Free Study looks to be a whole lot of help to my team, but that may not be the case with others who entered that challenge. |
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05/01/2006 12:51:14 PM · #327 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I agree with mk. There are a few (a very few, probably) of us who have significantly more comments given than received, undoubtedly due to the fact we (the very few) don't have any ribbons. Not that my score in the Free Study looks to be a whole lot of help to my team, but that may not be the case with others who entered that challenge. |
If the Free Study counts for me, I'll drag down my team more than ever... it ain't good!
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05/01/2006 01:47:15 PM · #328 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Sorry but the 48-hr Free Study will NOT count. I just went through every team and photographer. Based on the information currently in each photographers stats only two teams would have enough photographers.
So the 48-hr Free Study will not count. Sorry!
-SDW |
This is kind of a bummer. I'm not sure I understand why it's any different than regular users not being able to enter member challenges. As long as it's just the top entry of the week, why does it make a difference? |
I agree with mk and believe it should count toward WPL (if it is the photog's high mark for the week). It shouldn't make a difference whether or not all the photogs are eligible for the challenge - other "special" challenges have been included. For example, if it is a technical challenge and only certain people have the necessary equipment (cameras that will take long exposures or wide angles), will that one not count too? :-) |
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05/01/2006 01:49:51 PM · #329 |
And in the WPL Rules, doesn't it state in 2.d.:
In the event DPC announces an unscheduled challenge (i.e. extra members challenge, speed challenge, extra rules challenge, etc.) that challenge will count as a valid challenge. Due to scheduling if the challenge is announced after the regular scheduled members and two exclusive challenges the unannounced challenge will score toward the following week's team and photographer scores.
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05/01/2006 01:53:42 PM · #330 |
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05/01/2006 01:54:18 PM · #331 |
| Good point, Jimmy. And since it's not an aggregate score each week, but the "best of" each of the competitors, why would a challenge NOT count? |
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05/01/2006 01:54:28 PM · #332 |
I;m not in the 48 hour free study, however according to the rules, it should count towards the same week that photojournalism should. We have rules lets keep them.
MattO
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05/01/2006 01:55:18 PM · #333 |
Best of 2002 wasn't counted because it was a speed challenge...
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05/01/2006 02:14:02 PM · #334 |
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05/01/2006 02:14:46 PM · #335 |
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05/01/2006 02:28:56 PM · #336 |
Some thoughts to ponder:
While the rules state that any challenges announced will count, this challenge has one major difference. It is a challenge with a stated qualification criteria.
While not everyone qualifies for membership challenges, that was known from the *start* of the WPL and is a reasonable expectation. You joined *knowing* that. However, having a challenge come in (especially a speed challenge), with a criteria that wasn't possible to be met by everyone, gives a bit of an advantage that otherwise wouldn't be there. It's not a reasonable expectation for people that had to miss entering it.
Were it a regular speed challenge that was open to everyone or a membership speed challenge, I do believe that it should be counted. However, because it has outstanding criteria for entering, I think that it's right that we let it pass.
At the beginning of this Leauge, I don't think anyone would have agreed to let challenges stand that needed you to qualify based on criteria that you may or may not have been able to physically meet. |
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05/01/2006 02:31:49 PM · #337 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
At the beginning of this Leauge, I don't think anyone would have agreed to let challenges stand that needed you to qualify based on criteria that you may or may not have been able to physically meet. |
Aww, crap. No one told me I had to meet the criteria of "decent photographer" to be in this League...
:-) |
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05/01/2006 02:36:36 PM · #338 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by Artyste:
At the beginning of this Leauge, I don't think anyone would have agreed to let challenges stand that needed you to qualify based on criteria that you may or may not have been able to physically meet. |
Aww, crap. No one told me I had to meet the criteria of "decent photographer" to be in this League...
:-) |
heh.. you know what I mean. |
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05/01/2006 02:38:29 PM · #339 |
Whatcha wanna bet that all the people with a good Free Study score want it to count, rules or not, and those with a bad Free Study score or no Free Study score, wan it to not count. ??
:)
Me? I don't want it to count, just because I'm expecting to have the brown and that means EVERYONE is scoring better than I am! |
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05/01/2006 02:46:12 PM · #340 |
| I think it should count as well... |
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05/01/2006 03:38:05 PM · #341 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think it should count as well... |
So do I. |
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05/01/2006 04:29:18 PM · #342 |
I say don't count it. If it had been open to all members, then sure, count it. It was supposed to be a bonus for people that commented more than they received. Then suddenly we have people leaving 300+ comments in a day, so they could enter. Which to me, kind of defeated the purpose of the special rules.
I vote to leave it out. |
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05/01/2006 04:31:47 PM · #343 |
I say bring it in and my score sucks! But it's the admin's (Southern_Gentleman) final decision, we should abid by that.
Deannda |
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05/01/2006 04:34:38 PM · #344 |
| I think there should be something for us substitute photographers to do. Although there IS 14 substitutes....2 new teams? |
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05/01/2006 04:38:40 PM · #345 |
I'm sorry guys I cannot justify allowing this challenge to be valid. No it is not stated in the rules why it should not be valid but this is just the first season and I'm trying to make the rules (with everyones input) as fair as possible.
The reason I did not allow this challenge is it excludes some photographers from participating. I have an entry in the challenge and would like it to count as well but I know it would not be fair since the Best of 2002 challenge did not count because of the same reasons.
Please understand. I'm not trying to make or break rules on the fly here; I'm just trying to be fair. And as these type of issues come up I am making notes of them to revise WPL season 2, making the rules clearer and fair.
Thanks for all the input.
-SDW
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05/01/2006 04:45:06 PM · #346 |
Just be aware that some people may appear not to have been able to enter, but are in. Rikki would be an example. he looks like he's still 100+ comments behind, but he has an entry.
I'll abide by your decision though... |
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05/01/2006 06:40:10 PM · #347 |
| Thanks for the responses and clarification - it was worth a shot. :-) |
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05/01/2006 07:27:25 PM · #348 |
| What? Why not count the Free Study? After all, only the top challenge of any given photographer will count so what´s the big deal if the score from the free study, photojournalism or cliche/rythm is the one that is counted? |
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05/01/2006 07:29:14 PM · #349 |
Originally posted by Larus:
What? Why not count the Free Study? After all, only the top challenge of any given photographer will count so what´s the big deal if the score from the free study, photojournalism or cliche/rythm is the one that is counted? |
That is what I was thinking too. It's not like people who can't enter free study won't get a score for the week! |
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05/01/2006 07:30:40 PM · #350 |
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