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03/21/2006 04:22:54 AM · #26 |
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03/21/2006 04:32:53 AM · #27 |
I'd like one please. L size.
Thanks. |
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03/23/2006 01:10:00 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by Makka:
If it wasn't a plane that struck the Pentagon in 2001, what happened to the plane and the people that were supposedly on it? |
Hell, you just opened a can of worms... hmm, I've never thought of that! |
Well, here's a video about that and also the WTC "conspiracy". There are other links out there that disprove many of the claims made here even ones from other people who believe in the conspiracy but watching just this one could easily be convinced. |
I watched the video last night. What an amazing story! I love a good conspiracy. It makes you sit and wonder! |
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03/31/2006 12:02:53 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by lepidus:
I can't explain it, but I know in my heart that Pete Rose was framed! |
you mean him betting AGAINST his team? |
Pete Rose admitted to betting on baseball - never admitted betting on his own team.
-Rick |
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03/31/2006 12:04:56 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Makka:
If it wasn't a plane that struck the Pentagon in 2001, what happened to the plane and the people that were supposedly on it? |
Seriously, I'd actually like to know how there wasn't any plane debris. The worst plane accident in my oppinion, Souix City, had debris everywhere - planes crashing and burning in the side of the mountain, with no fire fighters, had debris after the fires.
-Rick |
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03/31/2006 12:19:34 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by Makka:
If it wasn't a plane that struck the Pentagon in 2001, what happened to the plane and the people that were supposedly on it? |
Seriously, I'd actually like to know how there wasn't any plane debris. The worst plane accident in my oppinion, Souix City, had debris everywhere - planes crashing and burning in the side of the mountain, with no fire fighters, had debris after the fires.
-Rick |
Here ya go
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03/31/2006 12:35:19 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by Makka:
If it wasn't a plane that struck the Pentagon in 2001, what happened to the plane and the people that were supposedly on it? |
Seriously, I'd actually like to know how there wasn't any plane debris. The worst plane accident in my oppinion, Souix City, had debris everywhere - planes crashing and burning in the side of the mountain, with no fire fighters, had debris after the fires.
-Rick |
Here ya go |
I'd like something a bit diffent than National Enquirer ilk. |
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03/31/2006 12:38:44 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by Makka:
If it wasn't a plane that struck the Pentagon in 2001, what happened to the plane and the people that were supposedly on it? |
Seriously, I'd actually like to know how there wasn't any plane debris. The worst plane accident in my oppinion, Souix City, had debris everywhere - planes crashing and burning in the side of the mountain, with no fire fighters, had debris after the fires.
-Rick |
Here ya go |
I'd like something a bit diffent than National Enquirer ilk. |
Sorry, didn't mean that to sound so 'curt', wasn't my intention.
Anything from say AP, NY Times, LA Times, or anything that held to at least reporting standards?
-Rick |
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03/31/2006 12:52:32 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by Makka:
If it wasn't a plane that struck the Pentagon in 2001, what happened to the plane and the people that were supposedly on it? |
Seriously, I'd actually like to know how there wasn't any plane debris. The worst plane accident in my oppinion, Souix City, had debris everywhere - planes crashing and burning in the side of the mountain, with no fire fighters, had debris after the fires.
-Rick |
Here ya go |
I'd like something a bit diffent than National Enquirer ilk. |
Sorry, didn't mean that to sound so 'curt', wasn't my intention.
Anything from say AP, NY Times, LA Times, or anything that held to at least reporting standards?
-Rick |
There was a picture on snopes that showed the debris of a passenger plane on the lawn of the Pentagon. There were also plenty of realistic reasons that would explain why there is a big difference in the Sioux City debris and what we saw at the Pentagon. Here is a link to Popular Mechanics debunking the myth as well (there is also a shot of plane debris on the lawn). Also, did anything that is held to reporting standards produce that video?
Myth debunked over and over and over
Message edited by author 2006-03-31 12:57:50.
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03/31/2006 01:27:22 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by Makka:
If it wasn't a plane that struck the Pentagon in 2001, what happened to the plane and the people that were supposedly on it? |
Seriously, I'd actually like to know how there wasn't any plane debris. The worst plane accident in my oppinion, Souix City, had debris everywhere - planes crashing and burning in the side of the mountain, with no fire fighters, had debris after the fires.
-Rick |
Airplanes are made mostly of aluminum, and most of it is surprisingly thin sheet metal. Have you ever thrown an aluminum can into a camp fire and look for it the next morning? (hint, you won't find it) The fires fuels by JP8 in the tanks of the 767 burned much hotter then a camp fire. The thin sheet metal melted and burned away. The passengers and interiors of the aircraft were turned to ash.
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03/31/2006 01:52:55 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by Makka:
If it wasn't a plane that struck the Pentagon in 2001, what happened to the plane and the people that were supposedly on it? |
Seriously, I'd actually like to know how there wasn't any plane debris. The worst plane accident in my oppinion, Souix City, had debris everywhere - planes crashing and burning in the side of the mountain, with no fire fighters, had debris after the fires.
-Rick |
Airplanes are made mostly of aluminum, and most of it is surprisingly thin sheet metal. Have you ever thrown an aluminum can into a camp fire and look for it the next morning? (hint, you won't find it) The fires fuels by JP8 in the tanks of the 767 burned much hotter then a camp fire. The thin sheet metal melted and burned away. The passengers and interiors of the aircraft were turned to ash. |
As a pilot and aircraft enthusiast, I am aware of what happens to planes when they burn. I also know that most of the debris, aluminum or not in a JP5, JP8, av-gas, or alcohol plane crash does not disappear. I have been witness to quite a few fire ball accidents in the service and afterwards.
Crashes that are burned up so to speak don't wisk away even when fire fighters aren't able to get to the crash site. There are remanents that even resemble a plane after it pretended to be a lawn dart.
Debris aside, how did the plane hit first floor without 1) damaging the lawn outside AT ALL 2) damaging the floors above the first (other than the collapse damage) 3) appear to come from within and not from the outside?
These planes are many stories high and many feet wide. Rudders, elevators, wings, wheels, landing, gear, engines, everything would have busted up and been throw around SOME of which would have cleared the burning plane. The engines are made with titanium and that surely would have been somewhere.
And if only a SINGLE item recognizable from the plane would have been found, they would have shown it. They did from the towers, same burning fuel there right, and no-one was effectively able to fight the fires there for days. Heck they showed every little piece of debris found from the last shuttle disaster plus the BODIES. That's ever a similar fuel AND the shuttle was travelling thousands of miles per hour and adversly subjected to all that friction once it started breaking up.
At the pentagon they were Johnny on the spot with fire fighters, and they were able to save the building from disaster but not a single piece of plane? posh.
-Rick
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03/31/2006 02:06:42 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
And if only a SINGLE item recognizable from the plane would have been found, they would have shown it.
At the pentagon they were Johnny on the spot with fire fighters, and they were able to save the building from disaster but not a single piece of plane? posh.
-Rick |
Once again, for the third time, here is a single piece of plane from the Pentagon lawn. Clearly you have made your mind up here Rick. Why ask for information if you aren't going to take it into consideration?
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03/31/2006 02:24:31 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
And if only a SINGLE item recognizable from the plane would have been found, they would have shown it.
At the pentagon they were Johnny on the spot with fire fighters, and they were able to save the building from disaster but not a single piece of plane? posh.
-Rick |
Once again, for the third time, here is a single piece of plane from the Pentagon lawn. Clearly you have made your mind up here Rick. Why ask for information if you aren't going to take it into consideration?
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When I ask for details on this you sent me a link that once followed looks like some underground conspirancy or underground anti-conspirancy site that has no merits in my book. I don't give the time of day to sites like that on either side of the fence.
When I asked pointed that out, I didn't see your reply to pop mechanics.
All I wanted was reputable sources, online congressional hearings, reports, etc.
Thanks.
-Rick |
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03/31/2006 02:26:56 PM · #39 |
Nevermind, you're right. The families of the people on board that flight are just making up their grief. The government faked the crash, and killed all those people just so we could go to war with Iraq, halburton could make a ton of cash, and Dick Cheany could get even more rich. I understand perfectly now. Curious though, was the planes crashing into the world trade center, and the plane that went down in Penn all part of the scam too, or was that just a coincidence that it happened on the same day? Or did all that happen and the first thing Bush said was, "hey, this isn't bad enough to get people excited. Throw a missle at the penagon, that will get them to approve my war plans!"
Forget all the engineers, scientist and crash experts that have explained that the scene is very logical. They are all in on the scam too. You're a pilot and aircraft enthusiast. You know better then them. I'm sure you were at the scene, did a full investigation...
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03/31/2006 02:34:21 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
When I ask for details on this you sent me a link that once followed looks like some underground conspirancy or underground anti-conspirancy site that has no merits in my book. I don't give the time of day to sites like that on either side of the fence.
When I asked pointed that out, I didn't see your reply to pop mechanics.
All I wanted was reputable sources, online congressional hearings, reports, etc.
Thanks.
-Rick |
I sent you a link to Snopes which is one of two major well known websites that attempt to either debunk or prove urban legends. They're not an anti-conspiracy website at all.
If you cared about reputable sources why didn't you ask who produced the video? Show me your list of reputable sources that sincerely believe this silly conspiracy.
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03/31/2006 02:34:30 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Nevermind, you're right. The families of the people on board that flight are just making up their grief. The government faked the crash, and killed all those people just so we could go to war with Iraq, halburton could make a ton of cash, and Dick Cheany could get even more rich. I understand perfectly now. Curious though, was the planes crashing into the world trade center, and the plane that went down in Penn all part of the scam too, or was that just a coincidence that it happened on the same day? Or did all that happen and the first thing Bush said was, "hey, this isn't bad enough to get people excited. Throw a missle at the penagon, that will get them to approve my war plans!"
Forget all the engineers, scientist and crash experts that have explained that the scene is very logical. They are all in on the scam too. You're a pilot and aircraft enthusiast. You know better then them. I'm sure you were at the scene, did a full investigation... |
You know what dude, I never said I freaking believed it was a conspiracy theory. I never said no one died? anyway did you have someone die there? No? So STFU. You have some gall to sit there on your holyier than thou pedistal point a finger at me.
What I said is I wanted to know how.
Go back and sit on your couch and have your twinky and don't judge me.
-Rick |
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03/31/2006 02:37:35 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Show me your list of reputable sources that sincerely believe this silly conspiracy. |
What list? Did I take a position on this? I didn;t say it was true nor false. I asked how.
I thanked you for the pop mechanics link, snopes, I never heard of them. They certain have only been around for a wee bit of time compared others (AP, NYT, LAT, etc etcetc)
-Rick |
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03/31/2006 02:45:38 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
If you cared about reputable sources why didn't you ask who produced the video? |
Because I can't view the video. So I don't know what it was at all. Proxy server does not allow video.google.com.
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=314242
-Rick |
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03/31/2006 02:53:10 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Nevermind, you're right. The families of the people on board that flight are just making up their grief. The government faked the crash, and killed all those people just so we could go to war with Iraq, halburton could make a ton of cash, and Dick Cheany could get even more rich. I understand perfectly now. Curious though, was the planes crashing into the world trade center, and the plane that went down in Penn all part of the scam too, or was that just a coincidence that it happened on the same day? Or did all that happen and the first thing Bush said was, "hey, this isn't bad enough to get people excited. Throw a missle at the penagon, that will get them to approve my war plans!"
Forget all the engineers, scientist and crash experts that have explained that the scene is very logical. They are all in on the scam too. You're a pilot and aircraft enthusiast. You know better then them. I'm sure you were at the scene, did a full investigation... |
You know what dude, I never said I freaking believed it was a conspiracy theory. I never said no one died? anyway did you have someone die there? No? So STFU. You have some gall to sit there on your holyier than thou pedistal point a finger at me.
What I said is I wanted to know how.
Go back and sit on your couch and have your twinky and don't judge me.
-Rick |
People explained it to you after you asked how. The snopes web site does a fine job of detailing it, I beleive popular mechanics or popular science did a full spread on this as well. Rather then expect everyone to prove it wrong for you, why not do a little homework yourself rather then doubt the people you asked to explain it? Too lazy or not interested?
Sorry if I offended you, but I have no respect for someone so lacking in intelligence that they'd believe this crap even after receiving explanations. And for the record, I'm typing this from my desk, at Boeing, in the engineering department (and I don't eat twinkies).
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03/31/2006 02:54:01 PM · #45 |
Okay. You didn't take a position (chuckle). Here's a novel idea. Why not tell us your position on this?
What I find most amusing is that you want an AP link to shoot down this conspiracy theory when it was an AP reporter who first reported that a booby trapped truck had caused the explosion. As far as the LA or NY Times giving unbiased reports - I think the events with those two papers over the last couple of years speak volumes to how they lean.
Message edited by author 2006-03-31 14:56:19.
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03/31/2006 02:55:59 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by CarpeNoctem:
Originally posted by dudephil:
If you cared about reputable sources why didn't you ask who produced the video? |
Because I can't view the video. So I don't know what it was at all. Proxy server does not allow video.google.com.
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=314242
-Rick |
Okay then. If you care about reputable sources then why not research the place where you got your info on this theory?
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03/31/2006 02:59:11 PM · #47 |
| The moon is REALLY made of cheese, just ask Fotoman. |
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03/31/2006 03:09:00 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Okay then. If you care about reputable sources then why not research the place where you got your info on this theory? |
As far as having a position on it I didn't. Didn't have the info.
I am, asking questions here is part of the deal to don't you think? Getting an idea of what you or any other poster is entirely valid right? Just because someone tells me something, doesn't mean I believe it.
My basis for the question, "where is the plane" is from 9/11/2001. I took off work and watched the whole thing and wondered, where is the debris?
Dude, I didn't want to spark your fire. Like I said, I got the snopes link and felt it wasn't a repudable source. I didn't read a single word. Is that bad? Maybe, but when I clicked the link, it didn't associated press, bbc, washington press, or mayberry chronical. That's not to say that newspapers report only the truth, but they are on the forefront and subjected to the most public opinnion.
-Rick
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03/31/2006 03:13:26 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
As far as the LA or NY Times giving unbiased reports - I think the events with those two papers over the last couple of years speak volumes to how they lean. |
You think that their political ideals go so far as to intentionally NOT show factual details surrounding 9/11, at least their reportings ON 9/11/2001 or shortly after?
Yeah, I know newspapers are VERY politically biased. But not all lean the same way, if I only listed these papers as being reputable, I didn't mean it as they are the only ones. I just ment a reporting agency that has been around the block for many decades.
-Rick
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03/31/2006 03:14:05 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
The moon is REALLY made of cheese, just ask Fotoman. |
Always known that, just wonder what kind?
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