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02/23/2006 05:41:20 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by langdon:
... I think offering a report post button on the challenge_stats page will allow us to curb problem comments from problem commenters.
Finally, I've been thinking we should probably the "Message edited by author" bit to comments made during voting if they are edited. Comments that are blanked out (attempted to be removed), will just be blank, so there will be a record of at least their existence. |
Adding a "report post(comment)" button is a good idea:
It is sufficient to address the small percentage of commenters that add mean spirited comments during challenges. Nothing more is needed.
Adding "Message edited by author" is unnecessary:
It just clutters up the picture page. Does it really matter if we RECORD that a commenter corrected spelling or grammer or changed their mind during the challenge on how they felt about an image? No. The reviewee will already know that and reported the ones they want to report. All the way around adding this just means more unecessary scolling of the screen to get to useful comments.
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02/23/2006 05:53:18 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I don't believe its about pleasing people. For me its about getting better as a photog. Any comments I appreciate even the one I got where all that was said was "Yawn" at first I was mad and then I looked at my image and you know what he was right it was "Yawn". Comments and commenting teach me somthing thats why I paid my 25 bucks to join this place.
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How did "yawn" help your photography? Of course, yawn means boring but I don't understand how that is helpful. I think if someone has the ability to type "yawn" then they should have the ability to tell you how to liven it up. Also, it couldn't have been too helpful as it wasn't marked as such.
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02/23/2006 06:04:28 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I don't believe its about pleasing people. For me its about getting better as a photog. Any comments I appreciate even the one I got where all that was said was "Yawn" at first I was mad and then I looked at my image and you know what he was right it was "Yawn". Comments and commenting teach me somthing thats why I paid my 25 bucks to join this place.
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How did "yawn" help your photography? Of course, yawn means boring but I don't understand how that is helpful. I think if someone has the ability to type "yawn" then they should have the ability to tell you how to liven it up. Also, it couldn't have been too helpful as it wasn't marked as such. |
I see you missed the point. For me its about comments ANY comments good or bad, long or short. You got it "Yawn". Right? "Boring". Could it have been more helpful F-yeah it could but I understood it. I didn't like it but I don't have to like it, just lean from it. So I need to add more pizzazz to my images. The fact that people get mean or don't comment at all after voting a 1-2 or 3 is what prohibits my learning. Like I just posted in another thread "a low score tells me I need to improve but not how I can improve." at least "Yawn" tells me its boring.
Best Regards
Erick
Edit: So I didnt check the helpful box SO WHAT!
Message edited by author 2006-02-23 18:07:32. |
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02/23/2006 08:40:50 PM · #54 |
I'm in favor of the OP's #2 - make all comments anonymous until voting is finished.
I'm also in favor of adding "Message edited" to comments just as it is for forum posts. If you change your mind, or correct a typo, why is it necessary to conceal that?
Adding a "Report Comment" button is another good idea.
Some of us need to become a little more tolerant of what we perceive as negative criticism. I'd estimate that half, or more, of the comments complained of in the forums are ones that I would consider acceptable. But I think that maybe the SC/admins need to step up their enforcement actions against those who make truely objectionable comments, especially when there is a pattern of doing so repeatedly. The fact that the recipients of these resort to the forums might be an indicator that they don't view the current level of enforcement as adequate.
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02/23/2006 09:41:14 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by mattmac:
What is really at issue here? The comment itself, or the photographer receiving (and then responding) to the comment?
...If it's the Photog receiving - You submitted your image to be judged. It was a conscious choice to expose yourself to a large community of disparate opinions/views/cultures. You should be able to accept both positive and negative comments without reaction. You should also be mature enough to fight the desire to "fire back" a response to someone who didn't like your image. If you can't handle that, maybe you shouldn't be entering challenges. |
Agree with this wholeheartedly.
In general, the problem doesn't seem to be the comments, it's the photographer receiving them. The "report comment" feature is a good idea for those isolated instances where a comment truly is unacceptable.
Let's put the focus back where it belongs: on the forum threads that complain about them. Isn't this the behavior that we want to discourage, rather than nit-picking on typos in comments?
We can put all sorts of measures in place to monitor comments and whether they were edited, but if it doesn't stop the forum threads then the exercise is pointless. It's treating the symptom, not the cause.
If the photographer with an entry has an outlet to express frustration with a comment, such as a "report comment" button, that should help. In the end, though, the responsibility for stopping the complaints in forum threads lies with the photographer, not the commenter.
Just a thought: what if there were penalties associated with posting inappropriate forum threads about comments?
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02/23/2006 09:52:31 PM · #56 |
i'm in favor of people coming to terms with the fact that when they post their photos in a public forum some people are going to have things to say about them that they don't like.
i have had a free account on DPC for the last year and only recently did i start entering challenges ( i will not, however, start using capital letters ).
i know that i'm not the greatest photographer on this site and i'm prepared to accept whatever comments people have to make about my work. i knew how the site worked before i submitted a photo.
changing the site for people who cannot grasp this does not make any sense to me.
i have been into photography for a mere year or so but i've been an artist since i was twelve. if you're not prepared to accept criticism as an artist than you need to get out of the game.
(i do not apologize for my terrible spelling either) |
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02/23/2006 10:07:25 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I don't believe its about pleasing people. For me its about getting better as a photog. Any comments I appreciate even the one I got where all that was said was "Yawn" at first I was mad and then I looked at my image and you know what he was right it was "Yawn". Comments and commenting teach me somthing thats why I paid my 25 bucks to join this place.
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How did "yawn" help your photography? Of course, yawn means boring but I don't understand how that is helpful. I think if someone has the ability to type "yawn" then they should have the ability to tell you how to liven it up. Also, it couldn't have been too helpful as it wasn't marked as such. |
I see you missed the point. For me its about comments ANY comments good or bad, long or short. You got it "Yawn". Right? "Boring". Could it have been more helpful F-yeah it could but I understood it. I didn't like it but I don't have to like it, just lean from it. So I need to add more pizzazz to my images. The fact that people get mean or don't comment at all after voting a 1-2 or 3 is what prohibits my learning. Like I just posted in another thread "a low score tells me I need to improve but not how I can improve." at least "Yawn" tells me its boring.
Best Regards
Erick
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Frankly Erick, getting a vote of 1 or 2 tells me "yawn" without them having to say it. I say that if you give me a 1 and are going to give me a comment, tell me what you'd do to the photo to bring it up to at least presentable. Don't just say, "Yawn".
So I didnt check the helpful box SO WHAT!
Exactly. If you appreciate the comment why wasn't it marked as helpful?
Have a good one. Phil
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02/23/2006 10:21:39 PM · #58 |
If comments are made annonymous, than I will start a campaign to have everyone sign their comments. I always sign my comment.
I think this whole discussion is kinda stupid. We are submitting photos FREELY to a media that allows, no ENCOURAGES others to comment on them. This means it's inevitable that you will get a comment you don't like... SO FREAKIN' WHAT! Does a mean spirited comment break your camera? Does it crash your photoshop program? Does it cost you your job/house/car? Does it cause the death of a loved one? What does it do. If you're thin skinned it will make you feel bad for a minute. If this is you, why are you here posting photo's where there will be commenting on them in the first place? If you're like me, you will look to see who made the comment (Yes I hate bagheads but that's another stupid conversation) to see if it's someone I respect or someone who just showed up. If it's someone I respect (or not even) I look at my photo again. You know what, they may be right from their perspective. If it's someone who's been around for awhile but obviously doesn't know what their talking about, I laugh at it for a minute and move on!
Come on people. You make the choice to put your pictures here. Don't like bad/mean/constructive/rude comments? This may not be your forum...
Edit: I almost forgot my damn point! I vote for no changes, especially annonymous commenting. I will be very dissapointed if a few people who can't take the heat make changes for the rest of us who like it the way it is...
Message edited by author 2006-02-23 22:23:58. |
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02/23/2006 10:36:14 PM · #59 |
I agree with TC. Are we going to change the way voting is done because a couple peeps get their panties in a wad about a comment? Makes no sense.
If the the comment is rude report it, and I am sure it will be taken care of.
I got sorta backwards on the original post......but I think it works both ways.
Message edited by author 2006-02-23 22:49:58. |
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02/23/2006 11:03:20 PM · #60 |
The problem, if there is one, isn't in the comments, but in the reaction and resulting forum "rants" and PM wars.
If we want to do anything beyond "get over it", I would suggest that rants against a comment be deleted (not just locked), and those who are reported for abusive PM's be blocked from PM's for xx days.
If you don't want people's opinions, you shouldn't be posting on this site. |
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02/23/2006 11:27:04 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by northrop3:
The problem, if there is one, isn't in the comments, but in the reaction and resulting forum "rants" and PM wars.
If we want to do anything beyond "get over it", I would suggest that rants against a comment be deleted (not just locked), and those who are reported for abusive PM's be blocked from PM's for xx days.
If you don't want people's opinions, you shouldn't be posting on this site. |
That's the other half of the problem. Feel free to PM me during the challenge to tell me why I'm wrong. Be mean and nasty! I enjoy small minded people that don't realize that maybe they are not god's gift to photography! They amuse me more than mean comments! However some are not as thick skinned as I am. If you think someone is being ABUSIVE, REPORT IT TO SC! Include a copy of the PM with your report! They will take care of it! |
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02/23/2006 11:31:18 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by langdon:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I've had several occasions where bagheads have made truly mean-spirited, aggressive comments and then, before the challenge has rolled over, replaced them with inoccuous "nice shot" comments. So that's the other side of the coin: anonymity prtotects the commenter from retaliation, but encourages mean-spirited comments from those inclined in that direction. |
If that's the case, these comments should be reported when they happen, depending on the severity. I noticed that the challenge_stats page isn't showing the report post button, so I will get it in there. |
This would be MOST welcomed! |
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02/24/2006 09:05:36 AM · #63 |
| challenge_stats.php is now showing the report post button. |
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02/24/2006 09:17:51 AM · #64 |
Thank you, Langdon :) I just might start submitting to challenges again then :)
Originally posted by langdon:
challenge_stats.php is now showing the report post button. |
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02/24/2006 09:29:55 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by langdon:
challenge_stats.php is now showing the report post button. |
It affects only a tiny fraction of comments made but should help.
The rest of the comment system operation during voting is well designed. Those who do not want to get responses on their comments during voting have the option to be anonymous.
Those that do not want to know who any of the commenters are during voting to remain unbiased how they react to the comments they receive have that option.
It provides both commenters and reviewees choice and flexibility. It is the best of all worlds.
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02/24/2006 10:57:03 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I don't believe its about pleasing people. For me its about getting better as a photog. Any comments I appreciate even the one I got where all that was said was "Yawn" at first I was mad and then I looked at my image and you know what he was right it was "Yawn". Comments and commenting teach me somthing thats why I paid my 25 bucks to join this place.
Edit: Spelling |
How did "yawn" help your photography? Of course, yawn means boring but I don't understand how that is helpful. I think if someone has the ability to type "yawn" then they should have the ability to tell you how to liven it up. Also, it couldn't have been too helpful as it wasn't marked as such. |
I see you missed the point. For me its about comments ANY comments good or bad, long or short. You got it "Yawn". Right? "Boring". Could it have been more helpful F-yeah it could but I understood it. I didn't like it but I don't have to like it, just lean from it. So I need to add more pizzazz to my images. The fact that people get mean or don't comment at all after voting a 1-2 or 3 is what prohibits my learning. Like I just posted in another thread "a low score tells me I need to improve but not how I can improve." at least "Yawn" tells me its boring.
Best Regards
Erick
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Frankly Erick, getting a vote of 1 or 2 tells me "yawn" without them having to say it. I say that if you give me a 1 and are going to give me a comment, tell me what you'd do to the photo to bring it up to at least presentable. Don't just say, "Yawn".
So I didnt check the helpful box SO WHAT!
Exactly. If you appreciate the comment why wasn't it marked as helpful?
Have a good one. Phil |
Phil it seems you really have a problem with a comment I received on one of MY images. Which is weird. Since I am going to agree do disagree with you perhaps you can take it up with the person that left ME the comment britteyboo
Good luck buddy and try not to take comments other people get too seriously. :)
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02/24/2006 01:49:05 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Phil it seems you really have a problem with a comment I received on one of MY images. Which is weird. Since I am going to agree do disagree with you perhaps you can take it up with the person that left ME the comment britteyboo
Good luck buddy and try not to take comments other people get too seriously. :) |
Relax Erick :)
If you can make me understand how "yawn" helped you to improve that photo then I might not take those comments too seriously and will finally be able to sleep at night 8>). Maybe it helped you to see that the photo is boring (which it isn't) but what would it have you do to the photo to make it better. My camera and version of Photoshop don't have an anti-yawn feature so what should I do to make a boring shot not so boring? Also, if you'll read her comments to other photographers you'll see that she must stay tired as she "yawns" a lot.
Look Erick. You appreciate the comment (even though it isn't marked as such) and that's okay. I do find it odd that you're making my forum comments a big deal while defending the comment from someone who didn't take 10 seconds to give you a decent critique. Do you really want helpful comments or are you just wanting to see the received number go up? Personally I'll take 1 helpful critique, no matter how harsh it is, over 1000 "yawn"s as I don't think "yawn" is a good enough reason to leave a 1 or 2. If you thought it was as good as you've been trying to make me think you have throughout this entire thread, then why was the little box next to her critique not checked? Why defend something that you really don't agree with?
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02/24/2006 01:51:13 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Phil it seems you really have a problem with a comment I received on one of MY images. Which is weird. Since I am going to agree do disagree with you perhaps you can take it up with the person that left ME the comment britteyboo
Good luck buddy and try not to take comments other people get too seriously. :) |
Relax Erick :)
If you can make me understand how "yawn" helped you to improve that photo then I might not take those comments too seriously and will finally be able to sleep at night 8>). Maybe it helped you to see that the photo is boring (which it isn't) but what would it have you do to the photo to make it better. My camera and version of Photoshop don't have an anti-yawn feature so what should I do to make a boring shot not so boring? Also, if you'll read her comments to other photographers you'll see that she must stay tired as she "yawns" a lot.
Look Erick. You appreciate the comment (even though it isn't marked as such) and that's okay. I do find it odd that you're making my forum comments a big deal while defending the comment from someone who didn't take 10 seconds to give you a decent critique. Do you really want helpful comments or are you just wanting to see the received number go up? Personally I'll take 1 helpful critique, no matter how harsh it is, over 1000 "yawn"s as I don't think "yawn" is a good enough reason to leave a 1 or 2. If you thought it was as good as you've been trying to make me think you have throughout this entire thread, then why was the little box next to her critique not checked? Why defend something that you really don't agree with? |
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