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02/19/2006 01:24:02 AM · #1
Ok, so, I am on a quest for tuts on conversion to b&w.

Looking for books, websites, links.

I know that there are several ways of making b&w, but I know there has got to be a better technique out there.

So here I am on a weekend binge with my friend Jack, and on a quest for answers.

Thanks in advance, in case I pass out.
02/19/2006 01:25:38 AM · #2
I'm almost finished with my tutorial on that subject.. should be ready in a day or two.
02/19/2006 01:25:56 AM · #3
could you post a picture you would like to see in b&w?

02/19/2006 01:28:15 AM · #4
Originally posted by southern_exposure:

could you post a picture you would like to see in b&w?


No, you are misunderstanding.

I know of several techniques already, but I am on a quest to learn more than what I already know.

Gods of the PS CS2. I seek their skill sets. I want to learn more magic.

Message edited by author 2006-02-19 01:28:53.
02/19/2006 01:42:54 AM · #5
I found this one here in another thread on a similar topic - don't know if you've seen it already or not, but it's fun to play with.

//raymondshay.com/tutorials/ColorToBW/index.htm
02/19/2006 04:43:58 AM · #6
Blending several b&w techniques with different results into one pic. Completely changing colors of certain objects (from yellow to red for example) before convertion to change the grey tones. Stuff like that?
Not that I have a tutorial for that, but it is interesting to experiment with.


02/19/2006 06:30:15 AM · #7
I think different techniques suit different subjects / colours / light etc

Just wrestling with my Duotones submission at the moment and while I would normally use the channel mixer to convert to B&W I found that with this particular image, converting via the Lab mode method gave better results.

Not exactly sure why, but it's a good advert for knowing a few different methods

Steve
02/19/2006 09:43:51 AM · #8
Whenever I want to work with black and white, I shoot in "infrared" then do the color swaps, adjustments and slowly desaturate until I get the look I want.. It helps bring out shadows and details you would not normally see in color photography. Anyone else do this?


02/19/2006 10:04:49 AM · #9
OK, What is a channel mixer? Is that in PS Elements? All I have done with mine is "Remove Color" to get to B&W. Is this not a good way to go?
02/19/2006 10:13:59 AM · #10
i like to use the gradient map to convert to b&w. then i adjust contrast with curves.
02/19/2006 11:06:20 AM · #11
bump
02/19/2006 11:19:11 AM · #12
Originally posted by AzCKelly:

OK, What is a channel mixer? Is that in PS Elements? All I have done with mine is "Remove Color" to get to B&W. Is this not a good way to go?


Copying an earlier post of mine from another thread:

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To make a B/W image using color channels in Photoshop:

1. Open color image
2. In Layers pallette, click "channels" tab at top and view each channel indvidually by turning the others off. Decide which of the three channels (R, G, or B) is closest to your desired result.
3. Go to image/adjustments/channel mixer
4. Check "monochrome" box lower left
5. Be sure "output channel" at top is "gray"
6. Play with the sliders to adjust the relative inputs of the red, green and blue channels

As a rule of thumb, the TOTAL percentages should be 100%. An all-red-channel conversion, which is what I used on this image, is 100% red and 0% green and blue. Sometimes one of the other channels is the best one, sometimes a mix of all 3 gives the best results, or 2 of the 3. You might have 80% red, 20% blue, 0% green, whatever.

This is your B/W conversion. If you want to use Photoshop's "duotone" mode, you will need to to take this red-channel conversion and...

1. Go to image/mode and select "grayscale".
2. Click OK when it asks about discarding color information.
3. Go to image/mode and select duotone.
4. click each of the color swatches in turn and select the base colors for your duotone: in this case, it was black and a warmish brown color. It could be anything.

In both scenarios, the converted images can be further adjusted with levels, curves, brightness/contrast before or after duotoning, although in this case I just blitzed through and did no adjusting, only converting.

Hope this helps...

Robt.
02/19/2006 11:53:13 AM · #13
A friend of mine has created a website which currently has just one tutorial which is an indepth walk through of his steps in converting and processing a shot through to black and white.

His site is //www.photowalkthrough.com
02/19/2006 09:35:17 PM · #14
Any more please.
02/19/2006 10:23:48 PM · #15
I have tried the techniques here but I just don't have all the options needed in my version. Is there anything different technically with simply removing the color or setting saturation to 0? Isn't the end effect the same? ....or should I try to find something else for the fashion challenge?
02/21/2006 02:08:32 PM · #16
Originally posted by Melethia:

I found this one here in another thread on a similar topic - don't know if you've seen it already or not, but it's fun to play with.

//raymondshay.com/tutorials/ColorToBW/index.htm


I was playing with this set of steps to make a b/w, and then turned it into a duotone from there. Are all of these steps legal in basic editing? (Creating new adjustment layers for hue/saturation and then bumping them around).
02/21/2006 03:43:12 PM · #17
Here are some effects of different settings and methods:




02/21/2006 04:16:11 PM · #18
Take a look at this method, I find it really creative and gives you lots of control over your final picture. This one is not legal in basic :S

//av.adobe.com/russellbrown/ColortoBW.mov
02/21/2006 04:53:07 PM · #19
I sometimes just grab one of the color channels -- usually the green or the red -- and paste it into a new grayscale document. A couple of times I wanted a grainy, gritty look, so I grabbed the blue channel.
02/21/2006 05:20:33 PM · #20
Originally posted by patrinus:

Take a look at this method, I find it really creative and gives you lots of control over your final picture. This one is not legal in basic :S

//av.adobe.com/russellbrown/ColortoBW.mov


What a great little clip! He follows the same basic steps at the beginning as the one I posted above, but now I actually *understand* what it's doing :P So, I can see where changing individual colors isn't legal in basic, but if you only adjust the the hue/saturation under master, youre applying the same change to the entire image. If you flatten to b/w after that, are you still legal in basic editing here?
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