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 02/03/2006 12:24:43 PM · #1
The more I read the more confused I get..
1. Sigma 10-22
2. Tokina 12-24
3. Canon 10-22
4. Tamron 11-18

Now I suppose it is agreed that the Canon is the best of the lot..though I wonder if this is due largely to brand appeal. In reveiws I can't tell the Tokina from the Sigma..yes 10 vs. 12...
And the Tamron..is ths new because I can't find reviews..
if you went through this nauseating exercise coud you please let me know why you picked what you did..
I know..this stuff is discussed to death..but I can't clear my head, am getting dizzy, must keep moving..
 02/03/2006 12:33:17 PM · #2
Here is a review of those third party lenses vs the Nikkor 12-24.

//www.nikonians.org/html/resources/nikon_articles/nikkor/af/wide_angles_shootout/index.html
 02/03/2006 01:13:11 PM · #3
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Here is a review of those third party lenses vs the Nikkor 12-24.

//www.nikonians.org/html/resources/nikon_articles/nikkor/af/wide_angles_shootout/index.html


thanks that is very helpful, even if it is Nikon..think I may eliminate the Tamron now...
Sigma vs. Tokina is tough..they suggest if you use a 28-75 you may be better off with the 12-24, so you don't leave a gap..anyone have thoughts on this?
 02/03/2006 01:24:06 PM · #4
From what I have read, the Canon is not the hands down best one of these. But it is the most expensive.
Just working from memory, the Tokina is the fastest of the lot, and speed is a good thing.

My first choice is teh Tokina, followed by the Sigma. The sigma's biggest advanage is it will work with a full frame sensor, so you can use it if you ever move that direction, and by using only the center of the glass the image should be better with little or no chance of vignetting.
The tokina gets outstanding reviews and I'll be able to try one out this month and then can report back with a first hand response.

I have a couple of Tamron SP lenses, and so I'd be very temptet by the 11-18, but it is slow and has a bit less range on the long end, so it would be nearer the bottom of my list.
 02/03/2006 01:27:07 PM · #5
the sigma 10-20 doesn't have the full frame sensor, only the sigma 12-24 does...
right now I think I am leaning toward the Tokina, but hey deapee just got one and is returning it..hmmm
 02/03/2006 06:48:02 PM · #6
Photozone.de has reviews of all of them except the Tamron.
I think the Sigma 10-20 is ideal, it's sharp (sharper than the Canon) it's cheaper than the others, and it's built well.
None of these lenses are that fast anyway (I consider aperatures at f2.8 or wider as fast) so I wouldn't take that into too much consideration.
Here is a link to comparison shot between the canon and the sigma. Other than a different color cast, I don't see any signigifant difference.
Good luck
//www.pbase.com/fstopjojo/uwatest
 02/03/2006 07:38:07 PM · #7
Wow...I'm trying to make the IDENTICAL decision myself...it's confusing as all get-out!

So far I'm leaning to the Tokina myself. I'm hoping that deapee just got a bad one and that all the other good reviews make up for it. I sure would like the f/4 throughout. I need to order it this weekend so I'm watching this thread, reading the reviews, and hoping I get an epiphany soon that tells me what to do. :)
 02/03/2006 07:40:38 PM · #8
very timely thread for me as well. And thanks for all the links posted. Everyone continue to post ideas and reviews here because it helps out people like me who rely on other experiences.
02/03/2006 07:45:40 PM · #9
the sigma 12-24mm is the only one that can be used on a FF camera.
 02/03/2006 07:48:13 PM · #10
I can't say that every Tokina is built bad or used bad glue, but mine sure was and did. I'm happy with the sigma 10-20 -- the extra 2 (3 if you figure in the crop, 15 vs 18), makes quite a difference.

Sigma at 10mm:

Tokina at 12mm:

different angle different days, but you can get the picture.
 02/03/2006 07:56:35 PM · #11
The Sigma 12-24mm may be the best at avoiding distortion at 12mm. That's why it's worth the price. That and the fact I can use it on my 35mm camera.
 02/03/2006 09:17:43 PM · #12
I went through that awhile ago myself, and I ended up with the Canon 10-22mm, and I'd have to say I am 100% happy with this lens, it's sharper than my 50mm 1.8II it has a nice solid feel, it has a nice range for my style. From everything I learned about the mentioned lenses, almost everything was compared to the canon, and in almost every case other than price the canon was best (or equal) but each of the other lenses seemed to have a drawback, either distortion, flare etc. So I chose the lens that had a drawback of price instead of something related to performance.
 02/09/2006 09:58:10 PM · #13
I decided and ordered the Sigma 10-20..but now I find out my order is on back order..ughh, takes me forever to make a decision and then this..not in stock..eeeeeryie..canadacamera.com...but they had the best prices so i will wait.......for now...
 02/10/2006 08:04:49 AM · #14
I am surprised about the tokina 12-24mm. It is more than reasonably built and the distorsion is not very appparent at 12mm. The reason why I did not get the sigma was because of the 10mm, there was too much distorsion for my taste. I think the tokina is very superior to the too expensive Tamron 11-18mm. I am not sure about the sigma 10-20. Never shoot with it. Here is one example taken with the tokina:

Tokina sample

Note: I was very close to the horse

Message edited by author 2006-02-10 08:05:59.
 02/10/2006 08:12:31 AM · #15
This seems to be a confusing issue for many because they decide what they want based on questionable logic and information and then stick their hands in their ears and go 'la la la' when other alternatives are mentioned. Actually that's true about all sorts of equipment.
 02/10/2006 09:09:01 AM · #16
If you are near a Henry's they have a generous return/exchange policy. For the few extra bucks, I find it worth while to be able to get a lens use it for a week and if it not to my taste just take it back.

Originally posted by bucket:
I decided and ordered the Sigma 10-20..but now I find out my order is on back order..ughh, takes me forever to make a decision and then this..not in stock..eeeeeryie..canadacamera.com...but they had the best prices so i will wait.......for now...
02/10/2006 03:09:32 PM · #17
I'm out of the cropped sensor lens but this seems to be a very popular topic. I've had the Tokina and have used the Canon. Photozone.de by far has the best and scientific reviews on all of these lenses, except the Tamron. Here are my thoughts. All ultrawides are not fast (f2.8 more lower), all have some distortion, and all have some CA.

Canon 10-22: Has EF-S mount and can't be used on a 10D and expensive. According to photozone, the optics are in the excellent range, very good wide open at times, with mod. barrel distortion at the wide end and mod. CA. Build quality if good.

Tokina 12-24: It's an EF mount. This thing is built tough, tougher than all others. It's big and heavy, which I like. It's optics are in the very good range per photozone. It's softest at 12mm, which is bad since your buying these zooms for mainly the wide end in my view. It generally need to be stopped down a stop for max. sharpness, especially at 12mm. I mainly shot mine at f8 at 12mm. It has more barrel distortion than the rest, and it has more CA than most.

Sigma 10-20EX DC: This is my current favorite. It's build quality is good with HSM motor and it's wide at 10mm. According to photozone. It's center sharpness is excellent and more uniform across all aperatures. It's a bit sharper than the Canon's version. Sig's all have a warmer tone than Canon/Tokina/Tamron and I actually like Sig's tone more. At the 10mm end it's got a mild pin cushioning, which I think is better than barrel distortion. It's also the cheapest. There has been issues with old Sig's not working with dslr's but I've not seen it with relatively new sig's on dslr's.
Fstopjojo on pbase has comparisons of this with the Canon for review. Other than the warmer tone, I really don't see much difference when pixel peeping. Peep for your selves here.
//www.pbase.com/fstopjojo/uwatest

Tamron 11-18: I've not seen one scientific review of this lens yet. It seems as sharp as others when UK's Digital Camera magazine reviewed it a few months ago. I don't get this lens as it's the most expensive third market lens with the least range. It's not the widest, longest, fastest, toughest. But it's the most expensive? Go figure.

Well, that's my half biased review, as no human is completely without bias.
 02/10/2006 04:32:32 PM · #18
I decided to go with the Sigma 10-20 because (1) it has less CA compared to the Tokina, and CA is the most annoying lens defect for me, personally, (2) it has the 2 extra mm on the wide side, which are actually quite noticable, (3) my normal zoom lens starts at 18mm, so there is less of an overlap, (4) the Sigma has a closer minimal focus distance and higher macro magnification ratio, and I like to shoot wide-angled close-ups, and (5) Sigma has faster AF, but this is the least important for me, esp. for a wide angle.

From what I've seen, the Tokina 12-24 and Sigma 10-20 are both fantastic lenses. Just think what's important to you the most.
 03/07/2006 09:28:20 AM · #19
Here is a good review:
//www.kenrockwell.com/tech/digital-wide-zooms/comparison-index.htm
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