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Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/30/2006 10:50:25 AM · #126

I'm having a hard time with comments that suggest I should make major changes to my image in as far as composition or removing a major element. What the Heck don't people read the rules? Constructive criticism is whatâ��s needed not "You know what I would do..."

Sorry just a bit frustrated.
Best Regards

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stare_at_the_sun

Canon EOS-10D

01/30/2006 11:08:19 AM · #127

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I don't want to share my score right now, but don' worry...it's not at all spectacular. It's actually a lot lower than what I had expected....

stare_at_the_sun

Canon EOS-10D

01/30/2006 11:08:20 AM · #128

Nelzie

Canon EOS-30D

01/30/2006 11:16:42 AM · #129

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Constructive criticism is whatâ��s needed not "You know what I would do..."

Isn't that part of what Constructive Criticism is?

Afterall the rules do state this..

"After voting, you can add more comments on the photograph and see what others said about the photograph as well. As this site focuses on learning, please keep all comments constructive. Try to help the photographer with comments like how to improve the work or how to make it more appealing. Leaving comments also helps your own photography skills, as it teaches you to look at your own work more critically."

If you have an idea about how to improve the work, is it not something that "you would do" to improve the shot?

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

01/30/2006 11:21:22 AM · #130

Help would be making statements like; " The image looks a tad over sharpened" or I think cloning out the zit would make it easier to look at." that is constructive criticism not " I would have used a bald guy instead of that hot chick." thatâ��s what I am talking about and tell me where in the rules does it say I can remove a major element in my image?

Best Regards

fadedbeauty

Nikon D300

01/30/2006 11:36:40 AM · #131

Criticism goes beyond suggestions for post processing and blemish removal. Composition and elements of an image are especially fair game as that is what is making the image what it is. If someone felt that there was something in the image that wasn't working that is their right to do so and it is still being constructive as that is their opinion. As long as they are not just saying "that sucks" with no explanation as to why there is really no need to complain. Just remember...it is just someones opinion...doesn't mean they are right, but you should consider what everyone says and ignore comments that you find to be unhelpful.

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Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/30/2006 11:45:02 AM · #132

So had I said in regards to your great winning phobia image that you should have used a man instead of a woman in your image, is constructive criticism? Just trying to understand where the artist begins and the objectivity ends.

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

01/30/2006 11:45:38 AM · #133

Originally posted by Rikki:

Well I knew the score wouldn't last last night ;) But still good overall. ANything above a 6 for me is good. Anything over a 6.5... well, is just FANTASTIC!

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hmmm... go figure ;)
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BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/30/2006 11:51:02 AM · #134

Submitted a fairly formal shot lacking much in the way of "pop" so not surprised by
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And yes, the one comment was a " what I would have done..." comment. IMHO I treasure any negative comment, or suggestion of what others would have prefered seeing, they are more usefull than "great shot" or "cool". When the comments get too close to the bone I try to imagine that I am at a gallery where my work is hanging and I am getting a chance to eavesdrop as two people look at my shot. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, The only thing worse than bad comments are no comments at all.

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Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

01/30/2006 11:52:18 AM · #135

Well Said. Thank You!

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

01/30/2006 11:54:07 AM · #136

Originally posted by Rikki:

Originally posted by Rikki:
Well I knew the score wouldn't last last night ;) But still good overall. ANything above a 6 for me is good. Anything over a 6.5... well, is just FANTASTIC!

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hmmm... go figure ;)
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WTF? Is that even possible? >:-(

BRCPRES

Nikon D90

Nikon AF-S DX 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 ED VR

01/30/2006 11:59:23 AM · #137

Well, I hear misery loves company, so here I am.

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About what I expected, but not what I wished for.

shanksware

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

01/30/2006 12:00:29 PM · #138

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Rikki:

Originally posted by Rikki:
Well I knew the score wouldn't last last night ;) But still good overall. ANything above a 6 for me is good. Anything over a 6.5... well, is just FANTASTIC!

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hmmm... go figure ;)
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WTF? Is that even possible? >:-(

Weird. That means you got 2 votes at -5 each

I had 39 votes at 6.3846 and on the next refresh had 40 votes at 6.225. That means I got a vote of 0

or, got a vote and someone adjusted their vote drastically downward.

or, the system is messed up

odetta

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

01/30/2006 12:03:23 PM · #139

good lord, i spoke MUCH too soon last night lol. looks like i'm on the way to a personal worst ;)

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Falc

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

01/30/2006 12:11:52 PM · #140

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bouncing around - been down to the 5's at one point from a 7+ last night. As we approach the 100 votes I hope it climbs a little ;-)

elsapo

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

01/30/2006 12:13:13 PM · #141

ouch

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cfischl

Canon EOS-40D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/30/2006 12:15:25 PM · #142

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eh

Nelzie

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/30/2006 12:22:17 PM · #143

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

The "what I would do" comments should stick to what is already present within the image itself. It shouldn't be about changing major elements of the image.

"What I would do" should be about...

Lighting

Angle

Cropping

Color saturation or desaturation

among other technical aspects.

I also find it acceptable if something is "missing" from a shot that could complete it. For instance, a plain portait might call for a colorful scarf or other accoutrement to give an image more life, all without radically altering a major element of a photograph. Adding an element is a constructive criticism.

There was a series of shots posted here sometime ago, the first one had a field with a lonely tree in it. The next shot had the same field, same lonely tree, but included a fenceline that just wasn't in the original shot. I didn't have a chance to see the first shot, but the comments on the second mentioned how something was "missing" from the first shot and including the fence in the second shot greatly enhanced the image.