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01/23/2006 01:21:04 PM · #1 |
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He's speaking here today...alas, I will not be going to see him though. I have to go get my hair cut...
Message edited by author 2006-01-23 13:21:35.
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01/23/2006 01:23:31 PM · #2 |
I heard on the news he was going to be in Kansas, I was going to go hear what he had to say but I have to go home and watch paint dry. :-) I would watch grass grow, but since it's the middle of January I can't. Myabe after the paint is done I will.
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01/23/2006 01:23:40 PM · #3 |
You have to have your priorities straight. A haircut definately outranks listening to Bush speak. ;o) |
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01/23/2006 01:26:18 PM · #4 |
I thought it was funny...everyone is crazy around here. They were all like "Bush is coming, Bush is coming!"
Haha...you have to remember that Kansas is the most republican state...ever. I think there's like....4 democrats in my town of 40,000....lol.
I didn't mind not going to see him talk. Plus...my hair, and it's length, is way more an important issue to me.
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01/23/2006 02:21:12 PM · #5 |
I would defenetly go to shoot him.
in the news he said in other words " that it is nessecary to make it legal to spy on the public to defend the USA from terrorist attacs.."
wouldn't in just be easier for Bush to resign and get a real president like Clinton ?
while Clinton was president of the USA the world hit an all time low warcount, but in the few years that Bush has been president the world has hit an all time high warcount, and the USA has lost more soldiers in those years than they have since WW2.
so there is obviously no reason to spy on the public, and nothing that can justify it when everything can go back to normal just by Bush resigning.
I think this belongs in rant...
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01/23/2006 03:18:48 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
I would defenetly go to shoot him.
in the news he said in other words " that it is nessecary to make it legal to spy on the public to defend the USA from terrorist attacs.."
wouldn't in just be easier for Bush to resign and get a real president like Clinton ?
while Clinton was president of the USA the world hit an all time low warcount, but in the few years that Bush has been president the world has hit an all time high warcount, and the USA has lost more soldiers in those years than they have since WW2.
so there is obviously no reason to spy on the public, and nothing that can justify it when everything can go back to normal just by Bush resigning.
I think this belongs in rant... |
Clinton was horrible. The world loved him because he did what they wanted. It's easy to be liked when you do what people want. Bush has the balls to go against the grain and do what's right for the USA, not everybody else.
It's very easy to sit in another country who isn't a target of terrorist attacks and judge. Lets see how open mined you would be if you lost family to a major bombing in one of your major cities.
I don't think we've totaled the losses of Korea and Vietnam yet, even combined, but whatever.
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01/23/2006 03:35:07 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
... and the USA has lost more soldiers in those years than they have since WW2. |
I believe the statics you are referring to cover from the start of hostilities to present time in Iraq as compared to from the start of hostilities to a comparable amount of time in Vietnam. Total US casualties in Vietnam was around 50,000. Current US casualties in Iraq is currently just over 2,200. I'm not sure about the Korean statistics.
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01/23/2006 04:11:02 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
I would defenetly go to shoot him.
in the news he said in other words " that it is nessecary to make it legal to spy on the public to defend the USA from terrorist attacs.."
wouldn't in just be easier for Bush to resign and get a real president like Clinton ?
while Clinton was president of the USA the world hit an all time low warcount, but in the few years that Bush has been president the world has hit an all time high warcount, and the USA has lost more soldiers in those years than they have since WW2.
so there is obviously no reason to spy on the public, and nothing that can justify it when everything can go back to normal just by Bush resigning.
I think this belongs in rant... |
Clinton also didn't have to deal with 9/11....
I hate politics...so I'm going to stop at that.
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01/23/2006 04:12:50 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Clinton was horrible. The world loved him because he did what they wanted. It's easy to be liked when you do what people want. Bush has the balls to go against the grain and do what's right for the USA, not everybody else.
It's very easy to sit in another country who isn't a target of terrorist attacks and judge. Lets see how open mined you would be if you lost family to a major bombing in one of your major cities.
I don't think we've totaled the losses of Korea and Vietnam yet, even combined, but whatever. |
and what gives the USA the right to invade other countries ?
and WHY do they only invade countries that are rich, like Iraq with their oil ?
there are many poor countries in the world that could use military help to stop civil war, but since they are poor the USA don't help because there is nothing to gain.
I don't think Americans would be very happy if the Chineese would think like them, and invade the USA.
the Chineese military outnumber the USA military about 100 to 1, and they do have nuclear weapons just like the USA but the USA still don't consider them a threat, even though it's run by a communist dictator and warlord, but Iraq "is" a threat.. with no weapons that could reach the Atlantic ocean, let alone cross it.
the invasion was to arrest Saddam Hussein, that was done a year ago, the Iraqi's have had their election, and now have a running goverment, they have their own army and police, and they have asked the USA troops to leave, but they're still there. the Iraqi's elected some anti USA into congress and he got killed just a few days later and someone pro USA got the office by demands of the USA goverment, that only tells us that the USA are NOT there to save anyone, they are NOT there to fight terrorism, they ARE there to get control over the 2nd largest producer of oil in the world !
even though I'm against war, I'd still like to see the USA invaded by a major army, just so you'd know what it's like.
the USA founded NATO, and they founded the UN, and in the laws of both the UN and NATO there is a small clause... it states that if ANY member country of UN or NATO invades another country against the will of NATO or UN, then that country shall be considered an enemy country and the other member countries shall defend the invaded country by all means.
that means that the UN and NATO should be at war with the USA if they would follow the laws set by the USA ;)
Iceland was invaded by England in the WW2, and a year after the USA came and England just handed the country over to them.. and we've had a US military here since then, but now planes can fly across the Atlantic without stopping in Iceland first, so now the US military wants to pull out, leaving Iceland without any means to defend them selfs, as we do not have an army, and don't want one, I think Iceland is the only independent country in the world without an army, and I hope it stays that way :)
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01/23/2006 04:20:36 PM · #10 |
I found this comment by Bush amazingly ingenuous:
"It's amazing that people say to me, `Well, he's just breaking the law," the president said, with Roberts sitting behind him on stage at Kansas State University. "If I wanted to break the law, why was I briefing Congress?"
How stupid does he think we are? He's briefing Congress BECAUSE the actions are questionable and he needs their support if he is going to be able to keep doing what he wants to do.
That's one of the more laughable things he's ever said... Seriously...
R. |
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01/23/2006 04:34:27 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
... they ARE there to get control over the 2nd largest producer of oil in the world ! ... |
Yep! Sure thing. Watch out. Iceland is next. You know the supply of fresh water is dwindling worldwide and the USA needs to get over to Iceland elPronto to keep an eye on all those large chunks of ice.
...sheesh!
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01/23/2006 04:40:13 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I found this comment by Bush amazingly ingenuous:
How stupid does he think we are? He's briefing Congress BECAUSE the actions are questionable and he needs their support if he is going to be able to keep doing what he wants to do.
R. |
I believe the administration thinks we are very stupid...in fact, they count on it and undersestimating the American public seems to work extremely well for them. |
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01/23/2006 04:55:11 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
[You know the supply of fresh water is dwindling worldwide and the USA needs to get over to Iceland elPronto to keep an eye on all those large chunks of ice. |
Actually, various people say that the next big wars will be over fresh water. This is of course, after everyone has decimated each other over oil. Those that are still left will then turn to fighting over what's left of clean, non-contaminated water. Granted, this is speculation, but it makes sense to me.
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Lets see how open mined you would be if you lost family to a major bombing in one of your major cities. |
FWIW, I know plenty of people who have lost friends and/or family in the 9/11 bombings, and have a serious problem with the Bush administration and the decisions they have made, including the domestic spying. Might I also point out the statistics say that in many major cities, where terrorist attacks are more likely to occur (i.e. NYC), they voted blue.
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01/23/2006 05:02:06 PM · #14 |
If you don't have anything to hide, why worry about it? Spying that is.
Republican, and PROUD of it! ;^)
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01/23/2006 05:11:38 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
If you don't have anything to hide, why worry about it? Spying that is.
Republican, and PROUD of it! ;^) |
It goes way beyond simply not having anything to hide. It's the start of the loss of basic principles of personal privacy and resonable expectation of non-intrusion into personal lives. If something like domestic spying is passed and accepted, what's to stop people from deciding that it can be used not only for anti-terrorism, but for spying on personal ideologies or any number of personal activities that may suddenly be deemed "unsavory" to a certain administration.
It's insane, and sad, that people *accept* this kind of bullshit and then turn it into "well, you must be hiding something because you're against it." Get real. |
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01/23/2006 05:23:37 PM · #16 |
Expecting one thing to automatically lead to another is a bit like putting the cart in front of the horse isn't it? I mean, sooner or later the government will have video cam's in our bedrooms, right?
Sounds like too many fans of Orson Welle's '1984' and the "Big Brother" conspiracy to me.
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01/23/2006 05:24:40 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
If you don't have anything to hide, why worry about it? Spying that is. |
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin |
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01/23/2006 05:27:04 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Expecting one thing to automatically lead to another is a bit like putting the cart in front of the horse isn't it? I mean, sooner or later the government will have video cam's in our bedrooms, right?
Sounds like too many fans of Orson Welle's '1984' and the "Big Brother" conspiracy to me. |
having your head in the sand about the reality of what is going on doesn't help anything either. |
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01/23/2006 05:34:44 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Clinton was horrible. The world loved him because he did what they wanted. It's easy to be liked when you do what people want. Bush has the balls to go against the grain and do what's right for the USA, not everybody else.
It's very easy to sit in another country who isn't a target of terrorist attacks and judge. Lets see how open mined you would be if you lost family to a major bombing in one of your major cities.
I don't think we've totaled the losses of Korea and Vietnam yet, even combined, but whatever. |
and what gives the USA the right to invade other countries ?
and WHY do they only invade countries that are rich, like Iraq with their oil ?
there are many poor countries in the world that could use military help to stop civil war, but since they are poor the USA don't help because there is nothing to gain.
I don't think Americans would be very happy if the Chineese would think like them, and invade the USA.
the Chineese military outnumber the USA military about 100 to 1, and they do have nuclear weapons just like the USA but the USA still don't consider them a threat, even though it's run by a communist dictator and warlord, but Iraq "is" a threat.. with no weapons that could reach the Atlantic ocean, let alone cross it.
the invasion was to arrest Saddam Hussein, that was done a year ago, the Iraqi's have had their election, and now have a running goverment, they have their own army and police, and they have asked the USA troops to leave, but they're still there. the Iraqi's elected some anti USA into congress and he got killed just a few days later and someone pro USA got the office by demands of the USA goverment, that only tells us that the USA are NOT there to save anyone, they are NOT there to fight terrorism, they ARE there to get control over the 2nd largest producer of oil in the world !
even though I'm against war, I'd still like to see the USA invaded by a major army, just so you'd know what it's like.
the USA founded NATO, and they founded the UN, and in the laws of both the UN and NATO there is a small clause... it states that if ANY member country of UN or NATO invades another country against the will of NATO or UN, then that country shall be considered an enemy country and the other member countries shall defend the invaded country by all means.
that means that the UN and NATO should be at war with the USA if they would follow the laws set by the USA ;)
Iceland was invaded by England in the WW2, and a year after the USA came and England just handed the country over to them.. and we've had a US military here since then, but now planes can fly across the Atlantic without stopping in Iceland first, so now the US military wants to pull out, leaving Iceland without any means to defend them selfs, as we do not have an army, and don't want one, I think Iceland is the only independent country in the world without an army, and I hope it stays that way :) |
Is it wrong that I am incredibly irritated by someone who says he wants our country to be invaded so 'we know what it feels like'
Dude was 9/11 not an invasion!?
I'm going into anything about the war, or the president blah blah, cuz I'm not a fan of war either. But please, if you are going to speak about political issues in the United States, don't do it from the safety of beautiful land up north. I'm all for visiting and becoming educated about countries all over the world, but I would not speak about the politics of the country until I had at least lived there for awhile.
It's so much easier to take what you hear and read and spew off on that, rather than living in the country. You might feel different if you lived here and were surrounded by people with other ideals. |
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01/23/2006 05:35:03 PM · #20 |
Being so far left you can't see the light of day isn't always a good way to operate either.
BTW - no sand here. ;^)
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree (if that's possible), because obviously we are on quite opposite sides of this and the barbs are starting to show. I leave in peace.
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01/23/2006 05:42:07 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by petrakka:
You might feel different if you lived here and were surrounded by people with other ideals. |
I have no idea if who you are referring to has ever lived in the States or not, but I want to point out that the location listed on their profile is no indication of where they have lived previously. Perhaps they did live in the US for several years at some point in their life. Don't get mad at me, just wanted to point that out.
For example, according to my profile (made you look! :P) I'm from Montreal. However, I am American and feel qualified to make comments about US politics as if I live there.
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01/23/2006 05:46:03 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by pidge:
Originally posted by petrakka:
You might feel different if you lived here and were surrounded by people with other ideals. |
I have no idea if who you are referring to has ever lived in the States or not, but I want to point out that the location listed on their profile is no indication of where they have lived previously. Perhaps they did live in the US for several years at some point in their life. Don't get mad at me, just wanted to point that out.
For example, according to my profile (made you look! :P) I'm from Montreal. However, I am American and feel qualified to make comments about US politics as if I live there. |
this is true and valid. I've made the assumption from previous posts, however that the person I quoted has never lived here. I recall a statement made to the likeness of "I would never want to visit the United States" |
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01/23/2006 05:48:37 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by petrakka:
Originally posted by pidge:
Originally posted by petrakka:
You might feel different if you lived here and were surrounded by people with other ideals. |
I have no idea if who you are referring to has ever lived in the States or not, but I want to point out that the location listed on their profile is no indication of where they have lived previously. Perhaps they did live in the US for several years at some point in their life. Don't get mad at me, just wanted to point that out.
For example, according to my profile (made you look! :P) I'm from Montreal. However, I am American and feel qualified to make comments about US politics as if I live there. |
this is true and valid. I've made the assumption from previous posts, however that the person I quoted has never lived here. I recall a statement made to the likeness of "I would never want to visit the United States" |
Ah, ok. Did not know that
Cheers
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01/23/2006 05:56:27 PM · #24 |
Finally, a rant thread I can read thats political. Things were getting so boring with all that talk about cameras and photo taking. I was almost of the belief that the site was a photo site. This is more like it.
Please don't let me interrupt, Continue.. |
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01/23/2006 06:03:56 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by jmritz:
Finally, a rant thread I can read thats political. Things were getting so boring with all that talk about cameras and photo taking. I was almost of the belief that the site was a photo site. This is more like it.
Please don't let me interrupt, Continue.. |
Tell me about it ... I almost had to resort to learning a new Photoshop technique just for something to do! Oh, the humanity ... |
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