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07/15/2003 04:17:35 AM · #1 |
Ok, I'm looking into getting an EOS.. This will be my first high-end camera (See the low-end Kodak I ahve now), and was immediatly drawn to the D10, but I was wondering, in your opinions, what is the difference between the toher EOS models in features and price?
Thanks in advance,
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07/15/2003 05:32:11 AM · #2 |
Hi,
I bought a DX3600 when they first came out, and was pretty disapointed with it, it had no flexibility, lots of noise (both CCD and JPEG), so it didn't get much use (only for web images). I stuck with my Minolta film SLR for real photography.
Well, after much saving, I have recently bought an EOS 10D, and it is fantastic, everything I wanted in a digital camera. Comming from the kodak, you couldn't possibly be anything but happy. Sorry but the other EOS DLSR's were out of my price range so I didn't look too hard. |
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07/15/2003 05:56:00 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by bryskyd: Ok, I'm looking into getting an EOS.. This will be my first high-end camera (See the low-end Kodak I ahve now), and was immediatly drawn to the D10, , |
THe D30 is fun, but not worth getting unless you get a SIGNIFICANT discount (1/5 or less of the original price). D60 is pretty much identical to the D10, but the D10 has higher ISO range and has a metal body.
If you are buying new, the D10 SHOULD be cheaper anyway, so there is no point in gettnig anything else.
- haje
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07/15/2003 09:12:38 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by SharQ: D60 is pretty much identical to the D10, but the D10 has higher ISO range and has a metal body. |
I beg to differ that the "D60 is pretty much identical to the D10". But first, there is no D10. It is a 10D. I know "that's what you meant", but when talking about product models, I feel it is important to get them correct.
There are many other substantial changes between the D60 and the 10D that make the decision to go with the 10D a "no brainer", not the least of which is the 7-point auto-focus system, which is a huge improvement over the D60. And don't forget the improved backlit information LCD on the top. The improved button layout. Multi-step magnified image review. Orientation sensor. Addition of the registered AF point button. New "AI Focus" mode. DiGiC processor. Decreased shutter lag / viewfinder blackout times. Much improved E-TTL metering when using a flash. Quieter shutter release/mirror. Etc...
Message edited by author 2003-07-15 09:14:28. |
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07/15/2003 09:25:24 AM · #5 |
I just wanted to point out if you go with the 10D there may be some auto focusing issues if you use 3rd party lenses, like Sigma, tokina etc.... The Canon Lenses work fine (go figure).
From what I understand Canon changed up the autofocus protocal a wee tiny bit and has had some people mad that the lens they just bought wont focus properly.
If my poor memory serves me correct some of the lense makers are correcting this or trying to anyway...
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07/15/2003 09:27:19 AM · #6 |
Yeah, like he said, its pretty much the same camera. The focus is slightly improved and they changed some buttons around and made it a a lot cheaper. |
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07/15/2003 09:37:32 AM · #7 |
For really good results I use Canon EOS Elan 7e film camera and then use a film scanner. The scan makes the image equivalent as if it was shot with 25mp camera, very high quality. |
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07/15/2003 09:40:39 AM · #8 |
I think he is looking for digital, though, if I am not mistaken :P |
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07/15/2003 09:41:56 AM · #9 |
Sweet. Have any yor film shots posted on the Web?
Originally posted by tolyanchik: For really good results I use Canon EOS Elan 7e film camera and then use a film scanner. The scan makes the image equivalent as if it was shot with 25mp camera, very high quality. |
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07/15/2003 06:28:24 PM · #10 |
Well what do you know, the 10D owners (myself included) are raving about how much better the 10D is, and the D60 owners are saying 'yeah yeah subtle changes'.
I only briefly held a D60, but did notice the lag times were slower. Reviews also indicate that the 10D CMOS is manufactured using new techniques that are responsible for the improved noise (what noise) levels in the 10D. Allowing the 10D to use ISO 1600 with less noise than the D60 as ISO 800. |
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07/15/2003 08:04:11 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by brettd: Well what do you know, the 10D owners (myself included) are raving about how much better the 10D is, and the D60 owners are saying 'yeah yeah subtle changes'.
I only briefly held a D60, but did notice the lag times were slower. Reviews also indicate that the 10D CMOS is manufactured using new techniques that are responsible for the improved noise (what noise) levels in the 10D. Allowing the 10D to use ISO 1600 with less noise than the D60 as ISO 800. |
I don't think anyone is suggesting getting a D60 over a 10D, its just there isn't a whole load of difference from what I've heard from people that have used both. Yes the 10D is a small improvement but the main complaint seems to be they didn't change very much at all, other than fixing the things that should have been there in the first place (like better AF) |
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07/15/2003 09:35:15 PM · #12 |
Yup, on the 10D they improved a few things from the D60. Much better in low light, more AF points (yes I use them all), less noise at higher ISO, and Magnesium body instead of plastic.
The Canon 1D ($4,000). Now that camera rocks!!! 8 frames per second, super fast autfocus, 45 autofocus points, and looks really badass. lol.
The Canon 1Ds ($8000). Ouch that's expensive, but you get 11 megapixels.
I dunno ... I really like my 10D. I say get one. :) start with the Canon 28-135mm IS.
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07/15/2003 10:34:50 PM · #13 |
Will a Nikon SB-28DX Speedlight work well with the 10D?
Are the IS lens really a plus except when using slow shutter, say 1/60 or slower? |
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07/15/2003 11:34:21 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by David Ey: Will a Nikon SB-28DX Speedlight work well with the 10D?
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Doubtful, it certainly doesn't get a mention here //photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/ which probably contains more than anyone wants to know about EOS flash support. I don't think the Nikon flash will work at all.
Originally posted by David Ey:
Are the IS lens really a plus except when using slow shutter, say 1/60 or slower? |
Claim is you get the equivalent of 3 stops more useable shutter speed, so for a 300mm lens with IS (typically you could only handhold it at about 1/500s or 1/250s if you are feeling lucky, you could potentially go to about 1/30s (1/30s, 1/60s, 1/125s) and still get a useable exposure.
I guess that means with a 28-135mm IS at the 28mm end, you could go to 1/4s and still hand hold or something like that. Only used an IS lens for an afternoon so no real idea if this is true or not.
Certainly seemed like a quick way to drain your battery more. |
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07/16/2003 01:26:33 AM · #15 |
No, Jacko, nothing on the web, it does not make sence, since each file is 150-250mb. These photos I sell to printers who resell to agencies then. |
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07/16/2003 06:34:06 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by brettd: Well what do you know, the 10D owners (myself included) are raving about how much better the 10D is, and the D60 owners are saying 'yeah yeah subtle changes'. |
I have used both on many occations, and for all purposes, they are more or less identical in use. Haven't noticed any difference in noise, and all the other stuff isn't important to my style of photography (7 point focus system? I only use the center point or manual focus. Backlit info? interesting, I usually spend my time looking through the viewfinder. Button layout? it's whatever you are used to. I AI focus mode is handy, but when I need that, I shoot with a smaller aperture and manual focus. Shutter lag? On the D60? First I have heard of it)
Anyway, it doesn#t really matter - it all depends on your shooting style and what you are used to.
When all of that is said, I wouldn't mind having a 10D, and my next camera will probably be a 10D (but I'll keep the D60 as my secondary camera).
My main point is:
If you had a D30, there was a point in updating to a D60.
If you have a D60, there is no point in updating to a 10D.
Highly subjective meaning, of course.
hj
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