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01/12/2006 11:37:10 AM · #26 |
IMHO it would be better just to change the wording on the tick box that is already there rather than add another one, something simple like "Comment read". Possibly making it 'auto tick' when it has been viewed. While 'helpful comments' is an interesting and useful stat when it properly reflects a comments usefulness, it is so misused (intentionally or otherwise) by so many people that it has become almost pointless.
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01/12/2006 11:38:30 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pekesty:
... What? Speaking of putting words in peoples mouth. Where did I say or even imply..."So saying "Thanks for the comment" is saying the comment was "unhelpful"?" |
You said it for me when you said (about 6 posts back):
Originally posted by pekesty:
She didn't miss the point, by not checking the "comment was helpful" box, you are in fact saying the comment was unhelpful. |
Your quote, not mine. ;^) If I misread/misstated it I do apologize in advance. |
We were talking about the "helpful/unhelpful" box, not the "thanks for the comment" box. At any rate, let's not debate over what was said, I was just trying to encourage you to give me a stronger arguement for the "helpful/unhelpful" box. |
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01/12/2006 11:44:41 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
... At any rate, let's not debate over what was said... |
Agreed. ;^) I enjoyed the banter.
Now I probably should get back to work. L8R.
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01/12/2006 11:47:41 AM · #29 |
Duh, sorry but I don't see the point of this thread.
This comment was helpful : checked => value = 1 => statement is true
This comment was helpful : not checked => value = 0 => statement is false
What more is there to it ?
I think it is fair to assume that comments are always appreciated, helpful or not.
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01/12/2006 11:50:53 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Tom_Robbrecht:
I think it is fair to assume that comments are always appreciated, helpful or not. |
Unfortunately, not everyone feels that way. |
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01/12/2006 11:51:37 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Tom_Robbrecht:
I think it is fair to assume that comments are always appreciated, helpful or not. |
Definately! Somebody obviously thought enough of your photo, good or bad, to take the time leave a comment. |
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01/12/2006 11:54:59 AM · #32 |
| There are no paid instructors or critics for this site. Let's not be totally ungrateful because someone is not very wordy or eloquent! |
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01/12/2006 11:55:50 AM · #33 |
| But that is it I want to say thank you for your comment good or bad... and then have the option to say it was helpful aswell so that people who have given me info to help me have that little bit extra. |
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01/12/2006 11:56:37 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
Originally posted by mk:
I'd actually like to replace the helpful comment checkbox with one that says "I read your comment, thanks." I'm not really a fan of the helpful box and didn't use it all until recently. Unfortunately, people took this to mean I didn't appreciate their comments which was absolutely not the truth and so I've started using it. But I'd much rather be able to simply acknowledge that I've read the comment rather than rank it as helpful or not. If we had both boxes, I'd probably not use the helpful box at all. |
i agree |
I agree too. |
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01/12/2006 11:58:37 AM · #35 |
| I think the point is that a lot of people check the helpful box to indicate to the commenter that they read the comment. This misses the point of the comment actually being HELPFUL. All Comments are APPRECIATED and may help our ego, not all comments are ACTUALLY HELPFUL in a photographic sence, which is I think the difference the OP was trying to sort out. |
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01/12/2006 11:58:41 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Originally posted by ralphnev:
Originally posted by mk:
I'd actually like to replace the helpful comment checkbox with one that says "I read your comment, thanks." I'm not really a fan of the helpful box and didn't use it all until recently. Unfortunately, people took this to mean I didn't appreciate their comments which was absolutely not the truth and so I've started using it. But I'd much rather be able to simply acknowledge that I've read the comment rather than rank it as helpful or not. If we had both boxes, I'd probably not use the helpful box at all. |
i agree |
I agree too. |
ditto! Git 'er done!!! |
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01/12/2006 11:59:38 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
There are no paid instructors or critics for this site. Let's not be totally ungrateful because someone is not very wordy or eloquent! |
This is not what I mean at all tho I am not good with words but I try to help people by giving input on what I would try to make the photo look better in my eyes sometimes tho I will leave a message like
"Good shot"
I dont think this helps them much so wouldnt want them to put it was helpful but I would like to see that they have read it. |
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01/12/2006 11:59:46 AM · #38 |
I still do not understand the purpose of two boxes. You are trying to differentiate between two kinds of comments good/bad, good/gotsogood, helpful/soso, whatever. But why?
Do you want to retaliate when a bad comment is left?
Do you want to point out that a comment could have been more extensive? more sugercoated?
Why the need to leave a negative/unpositive comment on the comment? Isnt ignoring it enough?
Are you saying that you would rather have no comment than an unhelpful one?
Or you want more helpful comments and less helpful ones?
Is it a way to dispute the comment?
Every comment is a gift, not a right. If you discourage comments, you will get less comments. |
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01/12/2006 12:00:57 PM · #39 |
EDIT*
I still do not understand the purpose of two boxes.
You are trying to differentiate between two kinds of comments good/bad, good/gotsogood, helpful/soso, whatever. But why?
Not trying to do good or bad this is put on my post b4
Do you want to retaliate when a bad comment is left?
Nope not at all I just want to say thanks for your comment and then if it helps me put it was helpfull too
Do you want to point out that a comment could have been more extensive? more sugercoated?
Again nope refer to my posts
Why the need to leave a negative/unpositive comment on the comment? Isnt ignoring it enough?
No negatives here:) just thanks
Are you saying that you would rather have no comment than an unhelpful one?
nope this is the point I want to say thanks for all comments I read but I also want to say it was helpfull if it was
Or you want more helpful comments and less helpful ones?
all I want is when I put a comment like good shot I do not expect the person to put it helped them because it does not but I would like to see they have taken the time to read it:)
Is it a way to dispute the comment?
Nope all comments welcome that is the point :) I just want a way of saying thanks for comments like "good shot/bad shot" without putting it helped me with my photography
Every comment is a gift, not a right. If you discourage comments, you will get less comments.
I am not sure why people are thinking I am trying to say I dont like people commenting I like all comments :))
Message edited by author 2006-01-12 12:13:55. |
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01/12/2006 12:01:43 PM · #40 |
| yeah, sorry - i missed it while I was typing away, thanks |
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01/12/2006 12:04:32 PM · #41 |
i dont see why "i dont like your photo" isn't helpful
It is telling you that you may be getting low scores from some people because your style or subject or whatever is not to thier taste.
That said, i agreed with MK, i would rather an acknowledgement box (which a lot of us use the helpful box for anyways) than a helpful box. |
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01/12/2006 12:05:51 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by polkop:
Originally posted by pekesty:
There are no paid instructors or critics for this site. Let's not be totally ungrateful because someone is not very wordy or eloquent! |
This is not what I mean at all tho I am not good with words but I try to help people by giving input on what I would try to make the photo look better in my eyes sometimes tho I will leave a message like
"Good shot"
I dont think this helps them much so wouldnt want them to put it was helpful but I would like to see that they have read it. |
I think you said what you meant very well, and I strongly agree with marking a comment "read it, thanks." It's the "helpful/unhelpful" part makes me uncomfortable, because I think it discourage people from leaving comments. Whether we admit it or not, we love he comments! |
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01/12/2006 12:08:20 PM · #43 |
| pekwsty - i agree it is almost a pacifistic antagonism |
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01/12/2006 12:10:59 PM · #44 |
If you find a comment particularly helpful, you could always PM the commenter to thank them. I don't think folks mind non-abusive PMs.
I use the tick box as an "acknowledged" type response. I may not like the comment, but as someone else pointed out, even if they just say "I don't like it" means that someone didn't see your photo as you did. That's valid feedback and can be construed as "helpful". So is "Good shot!" - that means you succeeded in whatever you probably intended, or at a minimum, lucked out into something at least one person likes. |
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01/12/2006 12:15:51 PM · #45 |
| Its not as if we would get black marks for leaving a comment that the person doesnt find helpful.... Comments like "well done" stroke my ego, they dont really help me become a better photographer or know what I did wrong or right. The purpose for me wouldnt be to differentiate between helpful/unhelpful but to let those that take the time to leave constructive actually helpful comments know that we appreciate it, even if they didnt like the photo. This would help the critique club also I would think. |
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01/12/2006 12:15:59 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
If you find a comment particularly helpful, you could always PM the commenter to thank them. I don't think folks mind non-abusive PMs. |
Well said! PM's can also be used to ask the commenter to elaborate on the "good/bad" comment. Polite and interactive conversations have got to be way more helpful than just the comment. |
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01/12/2006 12:18:47 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
i dont see why "i dont like your photo" isn't helpful
It is telling you that you may be getting low scores from some people because your style or subject or whatever is not to thier taste.
That said, i agreed with MK, i would rather an acknowledgement box (which a lot of us use the helpful box for anyways) than a helpful box. |
Ok, darn-it! I'm finding it hard to focus on work, so here I am again.
The single checkbox that acknowledges the comment may be the best way to go. I think. Actually, why do we even need that? If you leave a comment and it gets checked as read, what good does that do? Tells you that the person receiving the comment has looked at their image page? If they check some and not all, what does that tell you? Will your feelings be hurt that your acknowledgement wasn't checked off?
I get the most out of DPChallenge by learning how to be a better photographer. Learning by improving my compositions and technique to improve my scores. If my scores are getting better I must be learning something. I learn by listening (reading suggestions/comments other threads/image pages), by asking questions in forums for feedback on images, and yes I learn by getting feedback (via comments) once in awhile on my image pages.
I would much prefer one helpful comment on an image than five "attaboys". Yes, the feel good comments are nice but are not educational.
Why is it that so many are afraid that somebodies toes are going to be stepped on? If somebody gives you a truly helpful comment then they did, if not they didn't. Pretty easy to figure out.
Yep, I say just eliminate the checkbox on comments all together. That should make everybody happy, and eliminate a lot of time fretting over whether to check it or not. ;^)
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01/12/2006 12:19:47 PM · #48 |
I think it would be a cool idea. I use the check to just keep track of comments I've read. I think the % helpful comments is useless as stated.
A "This comment was helpful" box may discourage commenting, but it should only discourage commenting that is not helpful. I could really care less about two word comments like "nice pic" or "stunning" so I wouldn't be disappointed if they went away.
Basically I would mark anything as "helpful" that was more than three words long and gave at least a smattering of insight into why the person feels as they feel. Positive or negative. |
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01/12/2006 12:21:55 PM · #49 |
| I'm not nearly as interested in comments as I am critique but I know not everyone else feels that way. |
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01/12/2006 12:36:54 PM · #50 |
glad - i use that check box mostly as a marker for myself - not as an indication of the wealth of others knowlegde, so yeh - for me i use it more for me. As i said in another thread i find the ones explaining a fault and how to improve the most helpful, but i see value in the "i dont like this" ones also.
Mav said the stats could idicate who the nasty people on the board i - i dont find this accurate. My made:helpful ratio is fairly crappy. I do not leave "you suck" comments, but i do use the majority of my comments to brave the depths of my low scoring images and tell the people why i scored thier image 5 or lower and what would have made it better. A lot of these people with the iffy scores only mark ego stroking as helpful OR don't mark anything as helpful. I also get a lot of PM's questiioning my sanity for not loving thier low scoring images.
I don't worry about my helpful stats because i know i'm putting myself in a place where i don't get many of them. But i do take a lot more efort explaining how something might be improves than "thats hawt" commentors do writing thier own. The fact is we all consider what is "helpful" different (like my opionion that "i dont like it" is helpful) and differently again is how we use the box.
Some of the comments i have recieved are really empty, but in contacting the commentor and finding out what they meant or a little more details the PM that followed from a fairly senseless comment, was extremely helpful. What happens in those situations?
This is why i think a "i have read this comment, cheers!" checkbox, with the obvious option of PM for gratitudes, or further information holds more merit than the current "helpful comment" checkbox.
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