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01/11/2006 07:24:54 PM · #26 |
| The high ISO performance of the 5D will blow the 1Ds away... |
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01/11/2006 08:56:25 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
The high ISO performance of the 5D will blow the 1Ds away... |
Can anybody elaborate on this?
I've been thinking about an upgrade, and this question had come up: Used Canon 1Ds or 5D?
Almost strictly for commercial studio work. I'd keep the 20D for outings and the like.
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01/11/2006 09:05:18 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by mariomel:
Originally posted by doctornick:
The high ISO performance of the 5D will blow the 1Ds away... |
Can anybody elaborate on this?
I've been thinking about an upgrade, and this question had come up: Used Canon 1Ds or 5D?
Almost strictly for commercial studio work. I'd keep the 20D for outings and the like. |
The noise levels on the original 1Ds (the MkI) are, pardon the pun, markedly higher than the latest generation of Canon cams, including the 20D, the 5D, and the 1DMkII/MkIIn. The noise is not unpleasant, it's kinda film-grainy, but it is more prevalent.
The 5D, for instance, is completely usable at 1600 ISO, and even OK at 3200 under some conditions. Not so the 1DsMkI. For studio work, of course, you'd prolly never use that high an ISO, so perhaps the difference in noise is not of great import.
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01/11/2006 09:07:32 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by hokie:
You know....you can get a real nice used Canon 1ds at B&H for about the same price at a Canon 5D. I thought real hard about that option before I bought my D2x and the main reason is my company uses Nikon and I got really used to our D2x plus anew camera gets all the warranty stuff. But the Canon 1ds is a damn fine camera and getting a great used one for abot $3500 is a great deal! |
I just got my 1Ds for $2750.00, It's used with under 20K actuations and in great condition. Love it. |
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01/12/2006 06:08:50 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by mariomel:
Originally posted by doctornick:
The high ISO performance of the 5D will blow the 1Ds away... |
Can anybody elaborate on this?
I've been thinking about an upgrade, and this question had come up: Used Canon 1Ds or 5D?
Almost strictly for commercial studio work. I'd keep the 20D for outings and the like. |
The noise levels on the original 1Ds (the MkI) are, pardon the pun, markedly higher than the latest generation of Canon cams, including the 20D, the 5D, and the 1DMkII/MkIIn. The noise is not unpleasant, it's kinda film-grainy, but it is more prevalent.
The 5D, for instance, is completely usable at 1600 ISO, and even OK at 3200 under some conditions. Not so the 1DsMkI. For studio work, of course, you'd prolly never use that high an ISO, so perhaps the difference in noise is not of great import. |
kirbric - are there any great differences at the 100 or even 50 ISO level? This is really quite an interesting option, a 2 maybe 3 year old pro camera for the same cost as a 5D. I'm mulling this one over too.
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01/12/2006 06:17:11 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Falc:
kirbric - are there any great differences at the 100 or even 50 ISO level? This is really quite an interesting option, a 2 maybe 3 year old pro camera for the same cost as a 5D. I'm mulling this one over too. |
I haven't taken the time to look, but I'm assuming the noise performance at ISO 50 is actually slightly worse than at ISO 100, otherwise it wouldn't have to be enabled by jumping through a custom function hoop.
It is nice to have a real slow option, particularly under the Texas sun. There's been times when ISO100 was too fast for the available light and aperture I wanted to shoot at. |
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01/12/2006 06:29:56 PM · #32 |
Iso 50 usually gives you less dynamic range. I think the file on the 1Ds @ ISO 50 was better than the 100. The newer ones are saying that 100 is the best.
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01/12/2006 06:35:04 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Falc:
kirbric - are there any great differences at the 100 or even 50 ISO level? This is really quite an interesting option, a 2 maybe 3 year old pro camera for the same cost as a 5D. I'm mulling this one over too. |
There may be subtle differences at ISO 100. At ISO 50, as Gordon pointed out, the 5D is actually in a "custom" mode, and apparently the noise is no better than at 100, possibly worse. I haven't tested it. You also apparently do give up some dynamic range at ISO 50, which I guesss by definition means higher noise, if true. I think what they may be doing is just "pulling down" exposure, not actually changing the sensitivity in hardware.
Before you go the 1Ds route, you really need to see if you can handle both (could be hard unless you're near a dealer that has a used 1Ds or know someone who has one). Fully understand the differences in handling, response times, and technology. The 1Ds is two generations old, and although its image quality stands up well, really the ONLY thing it offers over the 5D is weather sealing. That's it, period. The 5D, OTOH, is a great performer, and exceeds the 1Ds features and performance in many respects. Given the similar prices, IMO the 5D is a slam dunk, but you may wind up feeling different.
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01/12/2006 06:39:15 PM · #34 |
Thinking financially I think I've another tick for the 1dmkIIn.
300D purchased for £800, worth maybe £350 (after 18mths)
20D purchased for £1100, worth maybe £700 (after 6mths)
5D could be purchased for £1900, resale in 12 months? £1k??
1DmkIIn could be purchased for £2500, resale in 12 months? 2k??
I'm guessing the 'pro' cams will hold their value better as they are more robust 200.000 clicks etc.
Or, I could get a 300mm f/2.8 IS L for £3k and get £2.9k in a years time!
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01/12/2006 06:41:56 PM · #35 |
| I think purchasing a camera for its resale value is a losing proposition :) |
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01/12/2006 06:44:34 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I think purchasing a camera for its resale value is a losing proposition :) |
Indeed! Buy it to shoot, not to resell.
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01/12/2006 06:46:57 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I think purchasing a camera for its resale value is a losing proposition :) |
lol, I never said its the reason I might go 1D but its another tick in the box for it and, the jury is still out ;)
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01/19/2006 02:39:37 PM · #38 |
Am sat here holding 57 ounces of 1DMKIIn, need to read the manual some and charge the battery. I hope its drool resistent as well as water proof ;)
Thanks again for all your comments/thoughts.
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01/19/2006 02:41:51 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Am sat here holding 57 ounces of 1DMKIIn, need to read the manual some and charge the battery. I hope its drool resistent as well as water proof ;)
Thanks again for all your comments/thoughts. |
Woo hooo! Congrats! You'll need new Hard Drives cuz shooting at 8.5 fps is addictive...anything lower than 5 fps becomes painfully slow... :D
Message edited by author 2006-01-19 14:42:08. |
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01/19/2006 03:08:42 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Am sat here holding 57 ounces of 1DMKIIn, need to read the manual some and charge the battery. I hope its drool resistent as well as water proof ;)
Thanks again for all your comments/thoughts. |
Woo hooo! Congrats! You'll need new Hard Drives cuz shooting at 8.5 fps is addictive...anything lower than 5 fps becomes painfully slow... :D |
Don't you mean that anything lower than 8.5 fps seems becomes painfully slow ?
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01/19/2006 03:13:06 PM · #41 |
I'm not sure? but guess the 'slow' mode on the 1d is 5fps ;)
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01/19/2006 03:27:16 PM · #42 |
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01/19/2006 03:31:06 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
I'm not sure? but guess the 'slow' mode on the 1d is 5fps ;) |
I think it's 4 fps.
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01/20/2006 01:17:48 PM · #44 |
ok, I read the manual - its max 3fps on slow mode.
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01/20/2006 01:22:45 PM · #45 |
| almost never take my 1D outta 8fps mode, just gotta keep the shutter finger light and you can get 1 shot everytime. |
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01/20/2006 01:26:07 PM · #46 |
Probably different again in either of 'precise shutter speed mode' which makes it slightly slower bot more regular
Not sure if you can do multi-shot in 'stealth mode' but I use that mode a lot for candid shooting.
Message edited by author 2006-01-20 13:26:53. |
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01/20/2006 01:27:13 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Probably different again in either of 'precise shutter speed mode' which makes it slightly slower and also in 'stealth mode' which I shoot quite often in for street shooting. |
Is that a mkII feature only? I don't think i've heard of any of that stuff. |
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01/20/2006 01:32:41 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Probably different again in either of 'precise shutter speed mode' which makes it slightly slower and also in 'stealth mode' which I shoot quite often in for street shooting. |
Is that a mkII feature only? I don't think i've heard of any of that stuff. |
Quite possibly MKII only. They are in the personal functions (that you have to enable from software, before they ever even appear on the camera)
Precise shooting mode makes the shutter slow down slightly, to a predictable shutter speed - normal operation is 'as fast as possible' which can make it annoying for predicting shutter lag.
Stealth mode (can't remember the actual name) is sort of like a post shutter mirror lock-up mode, where when you press the shutter, it takes the picture but doesn't swing the mirror (I think it is the mirror) back until you release the shutter button. This makes for a much quieter shutter actuation noise and lets you take candids without the sound of a gun/shutter going off an attracting attention to you. |
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01/20/2006 02:02:38 PM · #49 |
This is a decision which will agonise me when I manage to get my thesis done and make money for a change. My 10D is great, but not ideal. My leaning would be heavily towards the 5D, given that I like wide angle and, as I do a lot of travelling, portable. It would also allow me to use all my lenses as they were designed, given that my lens collection is best for full-frame. Still, as I tend to do every possible type of shooting, from street to sports to landscape, I need versatility, and I plan on moving back to Vancouver, where the weather sealing would be worth it. Sadly 1DSII would fit perfectly, using my 10D for dodgy travel...
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01/20/2006 04:19:29 PM · #50 |
| i looked through my personal functions there's a delayed shutter cocking in #21 so i guess that's the quiet mode. |
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