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01/10/2006 10:28:17 AM · #1 |
It doesn't look 'real' to me, just wondering. It is supposed to be sunset at the North Pole.
//tinypic.com/k15820.jpg
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01/10/2006 10:31:19 AM · #2 |
'real' or not it looks good...
cant tell if it is 'real' or not tho |
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01/10/2006 10:35:04 AM · #3 |
| Assuming that's supposed to be the 'moon' and the sun, there is no way that it can be 'real'. The 'moon' is approximately the same apparent size in the sky as the sun. That's why full solar eclipses can take place. However, I will agree that it is a very nice image, nonetheless. |
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01/10/2006 10:43:15 AM · #4 |
I'll second that, there's no way this is 'real'. The landscape looks like it's been created in Bryce. It smacks of CGI.
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01/10/2006 10:43:22 AM · #5 |
| Looks like a 3D render to me. Nothing is "'real'" if by that you mean "captured with a digital camera". |
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01/10/2006 10:47:20 AM · #6 |
| What eqsite said, plus the fact that the north pole is likely an all-ice landscape. |
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01/10/2006 10:47:23 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
It doesn't look 'real' to me, just wondering. It is supposed to be sunset at the North Pole.
//tinypic.com/k15820.jpg |
I don't think there is any open water at the north pole. Also, I don't see Santa's village. |
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01/10/2006 10:48:27 AM · #8 |
| oooh, I do like it though, 'real' or not. Very Sci-Fi channelish. |
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01/10/2006 10:49:19 AM · #9 |
| Looks like a 3D render to me. The water looks fake. And what the hell is that, the 'moon'? Impossible shot. Unless this was taken on a different planet far far away ;-) |
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01/10/2006 10:56:01 AM · #10 |
What's more, it seems to lack logic. How can the shadow side of the 'moon' be illuminated? The sun is on the other side.
Nonetheless, a nice CGI. |
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01/10/2006 01:18:25 PM · #11 |
(eqsite already appearant mentioned size)
Lets look at this from an astrophysical standpoint. The earth revolves around the sun and the 'moon' revolves around the earth. However, from the earth viewpoint, the 'moon' and sun OCCUR to revolve around the earth (hence it was once believed that they did just that).
With that in mind the 'moon' and sun OCCUR to revolve around the equator plus or minus the angle of the earths tilt. An image lined up like this will happen only in the lower (closer to the equator) regions of the globe.
If this were really a shot from the north pole, the 'moon' and sun would have to be beside each other on the horizon. Neither the sun or the 'moon' cross directly overhead at the poles. |
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01/10/2006 01:27:54 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by p3wiz:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
It doesn't look 'real' to me, just wondering. It is supposed to be sunset at the North Pole.
//tinypic.com/k15820.jpg |
I don't think there is any open water at the north pole. Also, I don't see Santa's village. |
Actually there is open water in summer now at the North Pole. Several proposals have been put forth in the past few years to cross the North Sea across the North Pole using kayaks. Global warming is responsible for the lack solid summer ice.
But as far as the 'moon' goes, I wouldn't think anyone would even have to ask.
Message edited by author 2006-01-10 13:28:58.
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01/10/2006 01:28:08 PM · #13 |
Obviously this is a fake, but just to pick nits:
The illumination on the 'moon' is probably not too far off. The sun is below the 'moon', so it stands to reason that the angle of the terminator (the line between the day-side and night-side) would peek over the edge toward the observor.
Also, the orbit of the 'moon' does vary quite a bit (I think by as much as 15 degrees) from the ecliptic (the path through the sky that the sun travels along), so it would be possible for the 'moon' to appear above the sun by some small amount even in the North Pole.
Sorry for the interruption -- please continue now with your normal lives :) |
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01/10/2006 01:33:27 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by eqsite:
Obviously this is a fake, but just to pick nits:
Also, the orbit of the 'moon' does vary quite a bit (I think by as much as 15 degrees) from the ecliptic (the path through the sky that the sun travels along), so it would be possible for the 'moon' to appear above the sun by some small amount even in the North Pole. |
True, but 90 degrees is no small amount. |
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01/10/2006 01:38:03 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Originally posted by eqsite:
Obviously this is a fake, but just to pick nits:
Also, the orbit of the 'moon' does vary quite a bit (I think by as much as 15 degrees) from the ecliptic (the path through the sky that the sun travels along), so it would be possible for the 'moon' to appear above the sun by some small amount even in the North Pole. |
True, but 90 degrees is no small amount. |
True, but a 90 degree deviation would put the 'moon' at the zenith (point directly overhead) which it clearly is not. It's still relatively low on the horizon.
Either way, not really worth arguing about since it's all fantasy anwyay. |
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01/10/2006 01:53:36 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Actually there is open water in summer now at the North Pole. Several proposals have been put forth in the past few years to cross the North Sea across the North Pole using kayaks. Global warming is responsible for the lack solid summer ice.
But as far as the 'moon' goes, I wouldn't think anyone would even have to ask. |
You're right about the 'moon'...I don't think anyone would even consider crossing IT in a kayak ! :-P
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01/10/2006 02:06:27 PM · #17 |
| It is not 'real'. For it to be convincing the sun must be on the opposite side. That is, the dark side or shadow of the earth must be lit from the front. here the sun is shinning at you and should be lighting the back and there is no way that backlighting can produce a well defined crest. |
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01/10/2006 02:10:44 PM · #18 |
| Just to add my two cents about open water at the north pole. I've been very close (well within the arctic circle) and there is a far amount of open, navigatable water up there....maybe Santa's village slipped into the drink |
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01/10/2006 02:46:58 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
It is not 'real'. For it to be convincing the sun must be on the opposite side. That is, the dark side or shadow of the earth must be lit from the front. here the sun is shinning at you and should be lighting the back and there is no way that backlighting can produce a well defined crest. |
It would be tough for the shadow of the earth to appear on the 'moon', given that the sun and the 'moon' are both in the sky, too and you are looking from the earth. |
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01/10/2006 07:59:06 PM · #20 |
It's already been covered, but it's definitely a render. The edge of the land against the sky looks like a very typical unprocessed Terragen image, and so do the black reflections of the land in the water.
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01/10/2006 08:03:41 PM · #21 |
Just to add that there is a LOT of water at the North Pole. In fact, some explorers have found that when they got there, the ACTUAL North Pole at that moment in time was in the middle of the water, so they couldn't truly say they'd been to the absolute pole - bummer hey!
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01/10/2006 08:18:31 PM · #22 |
It is not 'real'.
First the north pole is a non-issue. The angle, with both the Sun and 'Moon' near the horizon could be from just about anywhere on the Earth.
The 'real' giveaway is the angular diameter of the Sun and the 'Moon'. The two are very close at about a half a degree each. In this case the 'moon' is much wider than the sun. This difference is much more than would ever occur in nature. You will never see the 'Moon' appearing to be several times the size of the Sun - at least not from the Earth's surface - you have to get a lot close to the 'Moon' for that to happen.
The second problem is that at the angular seperation of the two bodies shown in the image, and assuming the 'Moon''s diameter is close to 'real' you would not be able to see the 'Moon'. There is just too much of the cresent 'Moon' for the Sun to have illuminated it to the extent shown in the image. |
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