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07/10/2003 02:56:09 AM · #1 |
I must've taken 10 000 000 shots during the speed challenge trying to get the effect described in this tutorial, but just couldn't get a good shot. My problem is that the moment the shutter release is depressed fully, my camera freezes the image. This means that if I pan the camera, following my subject, I can't see what I'm following. The result is that nearly all my shots come out with half (or all) of the subject cut off and or blurred along with everything else, because I either panned too fast or to slow.
Is this just a difficult technique to master, or am I doing something wrong? Are there cameras out there which do not freeze the view when the shutter release is pressed? I would really like to give this some more practise, but I'm kinda at the end of my wits with it.
Ps I ended up submitting this shot, which I really liked, but which many people found wanting in the speed category. At least I received some really helpful comments :) |
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07/10/2003 03:01:20 AM · #2 |
I find panning shots easier if I use the viewfinder on the camera rather than the screen.. I have to remember to blow all the fluff out first! |
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07/10/2003 03:11:14 AM · #3 |
Yeah, the shots taken using the view finder did come out better than th ones using the LCD, but not as good as the ones using the LCD and the tripod. |
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07/10/2003 03:18:40 AM · #4 |
I think a lot of it is about practice.. I used to go watch car rallying so the photos I have of half a great looking car are many many many.. At least digital does allow you to go snapper crazy and see what you get..instantly... |
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07/10/2003 03:31:23 AM · #5 |
So if I understand you right, your camera does the same as mine? It also freezes the image? |
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07/10/2003 05:19:48 AM · #6 |
actually, it shows no image...
The answer to your question, is that panning is not easy, and there is a lot of trial and error. I've found success with a traditional SLR, with the camera to the eye, but I don't think I've had a go with this camera. |
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07/10/2003 06:17:43 AM · #7 |
The Short answer is yes, it just takes practice.
If your camera has an optical viewfinder you can use that, but you shouldn't need to. My camera only has a viewfinder (SLR) so there is no preview LCD, and during the pic the viewfinder is blacked out.
Practice just following the object through the viewfinder without taking a picture to learn it's travel path, and when you take a pic, do it in the middle of a sweep. You won't be able to get away with 1/2 second shutter speeds, but you don't need to, use a slow ASA (100) and go for something like 1/45 - 1/20 (depending on the speed of the object), use shutter priority so your camera picks an apeture to give correct exposure.
Other things:
- If the starting point of your movement track is darker or lighter than the target area, half press first in the target area to get exposure / focus lock (also do this if your camera doesn't have AI servo) - Depending on your camera, manual focus may be best anyway.
- Adjust the ASA speed up or down if you are unable to get correct exposure, but I prefer low ASA speeds for lower noise. |
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07/10/2003 06:43:48 AM · #8 |
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07/10/2003 09:18:46 AM · #9 |
My shot:
was taken from a boat using my 1.7 teleconverter, handheld. It can be done... you just need to make sure that your subject doesn't get tired of circling the boat! I did find out that the shutter speed doesn't need to be terribly slow in order to get motion blur. My shot was at 1/125 of a second. Now, she was hauling butt on that thing so my faster shutter speed worked out nicely.
It's all trial and error, but a nice technique when it comes out successful.
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07/10/2003 09:27:54 AM · #10 |
It isn't too difficult a technique, the trick is having a good swing/ followthrough.
You probably want the camera up at your face, using the viewfinder, not the LCD preview. You want to start following the object, well before you press the shutter, press and keep moving, and keep going even after you hear the shutter click.
Smooth and constant, arms in at your side and rotate from your waist.
Shutter speed control is the real key, however, and like crab said, it is often faster than you think you'll need, although it obviously varies with factors like subject speed, distance, zoom length etc.
1/20sec about 70mm zoom
taxi pan
1/60sec, 110mm zoom
Mostly it takes lots of practice and wasted frames - something digital is great for! |
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07/10/2003 09:37:47 AM · #11 |
Thanks everybody. From everything mentioned here I think my biggest mistake was depressing the shutter release too early, and I probably should check the shutter speed to make sure I haven't got it set too slow. |
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07/10/2003 10:00:07 AM · #12 |
My attempts at panning have been fairly successful, unless of course you're counting my "speed" shot. But generally its like everyone else said, a lot of practice. It's trial and error to some degree though. You need a few laps to get accustomed to how fast things are moving. Doing panning shots I always use my viewfinder, which sometimes isn't the most advantageous thing as my 2x teleconverter is not accounted for. But I usually figure that out during the "practice" laps.
Another really helpful thing is that my cam has a burst mode. It takes 5 pictures in about 1.5 seconds (give or take a little). I try to pan my shots using this mode. The focus will usually be crisp on a couple of the shots.
I took this picture with a pretty short shutter speed, so the background isn't moving a ton. But for moving 60-80mph, the boat is as crisp as I think I could make it. //www.pbase.com/image/18388217
I took some closer shots when the boats were moving faster and closer to me, but it was too close. I took a lot of these pictures at this angle for a couple reasons - The boats come out of the water more after making the turn. The move less laterally at this point and kind of toward you. I like the 3/4 shots. This one isn't exactly 3/4, but there are a lot that are.
Thats my "secret"... which is pretty much what every one else is doing.
Bob
Incidentally if the speed challenge would've happened a week sooner, you can bet your bottom dollar that you'd have seen some boat pictures from me. but alas...
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07/10/2003 11:19:46 AM · #13 |
Bob makes another good point - the plane of motion of the subject can also make a difference - if the subject is moving towards/ away from you it is more difficult to get a decent pan, without parts of the image being blurred. Something moving parallel to you is easier to pan with and get a good result.
Side to side panning is also easier than anything on an angle/ up down motion. |
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07/10/2003 12:19:14 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Gordon: Bob makes another good point - the plane of motion of the subject can also make a difference - if the subject is moving towards/ away from you it is more difficult to get a decent pan, without parts of the image being blurred. Something moving parallel to you is easier to pan with and get a good result.
Side to side panning is also easier than anything on an angle/ up down motion. |
Thanks Gordon. Nice to know I make a good point once in awhile :) Usually its just luck. I did many of my boat pictures when they were about 45 degrees left of directly in front of me (they were moving left to right). Their "apparent" speed to me was not as fast as it would've been if they were directly in front of me. And directly in front of me was too close. I could only get 1/2 the boat in the frame at one time. Using my teleconverter I have only 6x zoom, no 4 or 5x without serious vignetting.
That's why I shot everything in burst mode. Chances are one or 2 pics out of 5 would come out well. I took something like 350 pics in 45 minutes, including my potty break in the middle between divisions.
I wasn't really going for a lot of motion, hence the faster shutter (1/800s or 1/650s). I wanted good stop action of the boats coming out of the water. I got a good dozen photos that came out good. Actually more than that came out good, but there were many duplicates.
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07/10/2003 01:31:34 PM · #15 |
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Message edited by author 2003-07-10 15:47:50. |
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