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12/29/2005 09:25:58 AM · #1 |
In your opinion, which camera is better, the Canon 1ds or the 5D? We were talking about wedding photography and I said I'd consider buying the 1ds and someone else things the 5D is a better camera. What do you think and why? I realize one is a pro camera and the other is not.
June
Message edited by author 2005-12-29 09:28:03.
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12/29/2005 09:34:47 AM · #2 |
I don't see any difference between them for wedding,where everything is staged.
If you talking about sports ,news or wildlife I would go for D1's.
Your camera is just fine for the job.
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12/29/2005 10:13:37 AM · #3 |
Canon claims they are both pro, the 20d is not pro.
From what i have read and talked to people...
1D Mk2n
- 8.5 FPS! wow! (not much use with flash though)Too easy to full CF cards LOL
- weather sealed (great for outdoor weddings, but is your lens sealed too?)
- beastly robust, but that means more weight to carry
- 1.3 cropped sensor, less wide angle slightly more telephoto
5D
- lighter (as is, you can add a battery grip)
- less costly
- fantastic image maker
I don't know how the high iso noise compares as that might be a factor in dark churches, but the 5D being newer should be better.
Me...while the 1D seems like a Ferrari of cameras, i might lean toward teh 5D.
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12/29/2005 10:20:50 AM · #4 |
I own a 1dm2 for my sports photography. Here are the specs.
Built on the framework of the EOS 1D Mark II, the EOS 1D Mark II N includes a number of refined features requested by professional photographers, while retaining the high image quality (8.2 MP) and high-speed shooting (8.5 fps) pro shooters demand. The first thing you'll notice is the wide 2.5" LCD. It displays more info (such as file size), it's more readable, and from it you can magnify an image starting from any AF point. Another improvement is the addition of Picture Styles settings. Selecting a Picture Style is like choosing a type of film to achieve a desired effect. Each Picture Style is pre-set for the Sharpness, Contrast, Colour Tone, and Saturation. Picture Styles settings include Standard, Portrait, Landscape, Neutral, Faithful, Monochrome, User defined 1 to 3 and Detail setting. Even the EOS 1D Mark II N's maximum burst during continuous shooting has been increased up to 48 in JPEG (Large) and 22 in RAW mode. Like its predecessor you can record RAW and JPEG simultaneously, but debuting in the 1D Mark II N is the ability to save each compression mode to separate cards (RAW can be saved on slot 1 and JPEG in slot 2). Other enhancements include ISO speed setting through the viewfinder and user settable file names. EOS 1D Mark II N - designed to exceed expectations.
RECORD-BREAKING SPEED
With its continuous shooting speed of approximately 8.5 frames-per-second, the EOS-1D Mark II N is the world's fastest Digital SLR camera*. This record-breaking speed is achieved even when recording in the Large JPEG setting (approx. 3,504 x 2,336 pixels) - a major triumph. 8.5 fps are maintained during maximum bursts of 48 shots (22 shots in RAW). Bursts are first recorded to the cameras internal memory to ensure maximum speed and then transferred to memory cards for storage. The number of shots remaining during a burst is displayed on the right side of the viewfinder. Photographers can expect an exceptional degree of performance and reliability on par with any film camera they've ever used. Speedy shooting is achieved with lightning-fast 45-point AF, sophisticated tracking and predictive AF technology combined with precise, instant metering, no matter the setting. Shutter lag is a paltry 55 milliseconds. Starting up in 0.2 sec., the EOS-1D Mark II N demonstrates its speed immediately.
RUGGED, ROBUST BUILD QUALITY
Designed as a serious tool for professionals, the EOS-1D Mark II N performs reliably in the most demanding shooting conditions. Its handsome body offers the same high durability as the EOS-1Ds Mark II, thanks to rigid magnesium alloy in the chassis and external covers (top, front, rear and memory card slot cover). The magnesium alloy also contributes to effective electromagnetic shielding, a long-lasting luxurious finish, and extremely low body weight that photographers will surely appreciate. Exceptional durability extends to the inner mechanisms as well, which are shielded from dust and water by protective sealing on all exposed moving parts. Shutter durability of up to 200,000 shutter cycles, ensures the 1D Mark II N will survive almost any situation, for years to come.
FEATURES ADDRESSING USER REQUESTS
Many user-requested features, including RAW + JPEG recording on separate memory cards, easy switching between memory cards and user-set file prefixes. The EOS-1D Mark II N incorporates a number of user-requested improvements such as an interchangeable matte focusing screen for critical focus in low light. ISO values can now be changed in the viewfinder, allowing the photographer to change settings without taking the camera from their eye. The 1D Mark II N has two memory card slots, one for CompactFlash (CF) and one for Secure Digital (SD) memory, and has the ability to record JPEG and RAW images on different memory cards, simultaneously. These improvements, plus all the shooting modes of the EOS 1 line and shutter speeds from 1/8000 to 30 sec. and bulb make it clear that the1D Mark II N is an incredibly adaptable photographic tool.
Larger 2.5 inch LCD screen can be viewed even at extreme angles up to 170ﾃつ｡ﾃユ
The EOS-1D Mark II N features a newly-designed 230,000 pixel, 2.5 inch LCD screen which provides a bigger image for playback and can be viewed 170ﾃつ｡ﾃユ from all angles. Advances in playback include zooming from any AF point, an improved magnified view, and more shot information in the display.
Specifications Image Sensor:
Approx. 8.50 Megapixels High-sensitivity, high-resolution, large single- plate CMOS sensor
Image Size:
28.7 x 19.1mm
Number of Recording Pixels:
L (Large): 3.2 MB (3504 x 2336 pixels)
M1 (Medium1): Approx. 2.6 MB (3104 x 2072 pixels)
S (Small): Approx. 1.1 MB (1728 x 1152 pixels)
RAW: Approx. 7.9 MB (3504 x 2336 pixels)
Sensitivity (Equivalent film speed):
ISO 100-1600 (in 1/3-stop increments), ISO speed can be expanded to ISO 50 and 3200 via menu selection
Image Data Storage:
Type I or II CF card & SD memory card
Image Compression :
Still image: JPEG or RAW (12 bit)
Image Compression Level :
Raw/Fine/Normal
Sound Recording:
WAV (max. 30 seconds attached to the image)
Lens:
Canon EF series with effective focal length 1.3x
Shutter:
Vertical-travel, mechanical, focal-plane shutter with all speeds electronically controlled.
Shutter Speed:
1/8000 sec. - 30 sec, bulb, X-sync at 1/250 sec.
Focusing Method:
TTL-AREA-SIR type, 45-point Area AF
Focusing Modes:
Autofocus (One-Shot AF, AI Servo AF) and Manual Focusing
AE Control:
Shutter-priority AE, Aperture-priority AE, Depth-of-field AE, Program AE, E -TTL program autoflash, Manual exposure, Flash metered manual, Bulb
Depth-of Field Preview:
Enabled with depth-of-field preview button
Light Metering Method:
TTL full aperture metering with 21-zone SPC
1. Evaluative metering (linkable to any AF point)
2. Partial metering (approx. 8.5% of viewfinder at centre)
3. Centre spot metering (approx. 2.4% of viewfinder at centre)
4. AF point-linked spot metering (approx. 2.4% of viewfinder)
5. Multi-spot metering (max. 8 spot metering entries)
6. Centre weighted average metering
Metering Range:
EV 0-EV20 (at 20ﾃつ｢ﾃつｪ C with 50mm f/1.4 lens, ISO 100)
White Balance Control:
Hybrid auto white balance with the CCD sensor and a dedicated external sensor
White Balance Settings:
Auto, Daylight, Shade, Overcast, Tungsten Light, Fluorescent Light, Flash, Custom, Colour Temperature Setting, Manual White Balance (Total of 10 settings)
Drive Modes:
Single, low-speed continuous, high-speed continuous, self-timer.
Shooting Modes:
Intelligent Program, Shutter-priority, Aperture priority, Depth-of-field, Full Auto, Manual, E-TTL autoflash program
Continuous Shooting Speed:
Low-speed continuous: Approx. 3 shots/sec. High-speed continuous: Approx. 8.5 shots/sec.
Self Timer:
Yes: 10 seconds and 2 seconds delay
Flash (External):
E-TTL II autoflash with EX-series Speedlite, PC-Terminal included
Optical Viewfinder:
SLR-type, fixed eye-level pentaprism
Viewfinder Adjustment:
-3.0 - +1.0 diopter
Viewfinder Coverage:
Approx. 100% vertically and horizontally with respect to the effective pixels
LCD Monitor:
2.0 in. TFT colour liquid-crystal monitor, approx. 230,000 pixels
Interface:
IEEE1394 for personal computers; USB for direct printing; Video output (NTSC/PAL)
Power Source:
Rechargeable Ni-MH battery (type: NP-E3)
Ni-MH Charger (type: NC-E2)
DC coupler Kit (type: DCK-E1)
Number of Shots:
At 20ﾃつ｡ﾃユ C/68ﾃつ｡ﾃユ F: Approx. 1200
At 0ﾃつ｡ﾃユ C/32ﾃつ｡ﾃユ F: Approx. 800
The above figures apply when a fully-charged Ni-MH Pack NP-E3 is used.
Operating Environment:
Temperature: 0-45ﾃつ｡ﾃユ C / 32-113ﾃつ｡ﾃユ F; Humidity: 85% or lower
Dimensions (W x H x D):
156 (W) x 157.6 (H) x 79.9 (D) mm / 6.1 x 6.2 x 3.1 in.
Weight:
1220 g/43 oz. (Body only. battery: 335 g/11.8 oz.)
Operating Platforms:
PC: Windows 98 SE, Windows 2000, Windows Me, Windows XP
Mac: Mac OS 8.6, Mac OS 9.0 to 9.2, Mac OS X (10.1)
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12/29/2005 10:22:23 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Canon claims they are both pro, the 20d is not pro.
From what i have read and talked to people...
1D Mk2n
- 8.5 FPS! wow! (not much use with flash though)Too easy to full CF cards LOL
- weather sealed (great for outdoor weddings, but is your lens sealed too?)
- beastly robust, but that means more weight to carry
- 1.3 cropped sensor, less wide angle slightly more telephoto
5D
- lighter (as is, you can add a battery grip)
- less costly
- fantastic image maker
I don't know how the high iso noise compares as that might be a factor in dark churches, but the 5D being newer should be better.
Me...while the 1D seems like a Ferrari of cameras, i might lean toward teh 5D. |
Chiqui is talking about the 1Ds not the 1D II or 1D IIn |
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12/29/2005 10:23:59 AM · #6 |
Go for the 5D, IMHO. Here are my reasons:
1. $4000 buys lot of lenses. Or lot of a lens.
2. The difference between 16 and 12MP is the same difference as between 6 and 8MP. And wedding photos are usually not poster-sized.
3. 1Ds has weather sealing and is more rugged. But I doubt you will be shooting much in rain during weddngs.
5. 5D is lighter.
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12/29/2005 10:24:30 AM · #7 |
June,
We shoot the 1Ds and the 5D in multiple environments. I love both bodies & the output but for different reasons and because both have limitations.
I use the 1Ds in the studio and anytime I have "enough" light. It works outstandingly given enough light for a proper exposure. If the wedding venue has windows or the couple choose to have the lighting turned up or I can use strobes then this is an awesome camera because nothing else touches it for clarity & sharpness. The 70-200 aimed down the aisle has proven to produce outstanding shots. Now, for the other 90% of the weddings we shoot I still like it but I don't expect to get great tones out of it 'cause it just doesn't seem to have the range and I sometimes notices banding or what appears to be pixelation in shadows. I almost never drop it to ISO 200 and I prefer strobe shots with it where I can shoot @ ISO 50. If you can keep it in that range then the shadows become nice, rich and solid. This is a stock, portrait, modeling, etc body but it isn't the strongest in low light conditions.
The 5D, however, provides AWESOME low-light shots. If most of the weddings you shoot are in dimmer conditions (and isn't that like 80-90% of all weddings) then this is probably going to be the body you want (unless you pony up for the 1DsII). Its easily sharp enough for any bride & groom. The images are gorgeous down to ISO 1600 or even 3200 if the trick that we learned about pans out (didn't get to try it on any weddings this last season). I'm going to wait for Canon's next premier body to be released before I decide whether to add one of these myself (one of my assistants shoots this but I get all the originals & edit them). I want another body that performs well in low light conditions and I like the images out of the 5D better than the 20D for some reason. Maybe it is the crop factor but comparing my 20D shots with his 20D shots and his 5D shots I'd have to say that the 5D seems brighter and sharpens up better. Could easily be the in-camera processing but who knows.
If you want a decent camera that'll work in most wedding conditions then you already have the 20D and you can sell photos to B&G and the family 'til the cows come home with that little beauty. If you want something slightly sturdier (5D is rated for 100K actuations), brighter and sharper (in my experience) and able to handle most church conditions then go for the 5D. If you want something to shoot in a well-lit space (studio or natural lighting) then the 1Ds is the best choice for me.
The 1Ds will take some awesome shots in low light conditions (see following images) but in my experience its only when you take the time to setup lighting and that's just not something that I've been able to do with weddings. People usually want to enjoy the experience without much intrusion from us.
Taken with 1Ds in the studio at ISO 50 but with controlled lighting
Taken with 1Ds at reception with natural lighting & ISO 160 (I think). Notice some grain in the wall paper.
The bride didn't notice the grain but the church was way darker so I had to rely more on the 20D for those shots.
Taken with 5D at reception with horrific lighting but just ISO 400 @ 1/60" with slight fill flash using 580Ex & LSII (I might have gotten the image too bright trying to even out the whites but at least you can see the difference in grains/texture at this higher ISO with the 5D)
Like I wrote before, tho, unless you just have your heart set on a FF sensor the 20D will do all you need to sell prints & get more wedding work. I hope some portion of this helps.
Kev
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12/29/2005 10:32:57 AM · #8 |
Yeah,
The two bodies are night and day.
You have to figure out what your needs are. For me the 5D would be too slow for sports. But, weddings on the other hand may be just right.
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12/29/2005 10:51:03 AM · #9 |
My Rebel did a good job three times past Summer :
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12/29/2005 11:09:22 AM · #10 |
Wow there's a lot of people not understanding the question or just not adressing it in here.
The 1Ds is a fine camera, the resolution you're getting between it and the 5D is so small, you'll probably never tell the difference. Both of these cameras are considered to rival film quality. Now you can get a 1Ds used for around $2500 if you find the right seller, but a 5D still runs about $3700 new. $1200 difference is pretty major. I'm assuming you will be keeping the 20D as a backup camera, right? Even that camera should be plenty for a wedding job! The differences between the 1Ds and the 5D is pretty much newer vs older tech. A ton of people have asked this question, and it's really a hard desision. From what i've seen and heard from owners, and comparisons...
the 5D has way better noise control at high isos and is completely usable at iso 3200, the 1Ds tops out at iso 1250. Not all weddings will allow you to use a flash, so there the extra stops come in very handy. The 5D is not built as well, but that doesn't mean it's fragile at all. For a wedding situation you'll never have to shoot in the rain, unless they people are crazy, so the weather sealing of the 1Ds doesn't matter. If you change your focus point a lot the 1Ds shines, it's got 45 of them vs the 9 of the 5D. The buffer and shooting speed of the 5D is increased over the 1Ds. The dynamic range of the 5D is pretty incredible compaired to the 1Ds. Both of the cameras blow away the nikon D200 from the tests i've seen (where actually the 20D is about equivilant). Really you can't go wrong with either camera, but there is that $1200 difference. If you can come up with the money, still have a backup camera, two flashes, battery packs for the flashes, the lenses you need and maybe a backup lens you'll be fine either way. Right now I tend to think the 5D is a better buy, it has most of the features of the 1Ds with newer technology and better image quality. I hope i could be of some help with all that rambling. |
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12/29/2005 11:12:05 AM · #11 |
DPReview's Side By Side
I would have to seriously consider the 5d if I was going to get into wedding photography. The differences in the two cameras aren't that great when you compare them feature for feature. With the leftover $4000 you would have from buying the 5d, I would buy the 85mm f/1.2L, the 50mm f/1.4, and the 24-70 f/2.8L. Those lenses would cover anything you would ever need for wedding photography and you would have the best available. You would still have $1000 left. Being able to do a full package of wedding photography also includes being able to do formal bridal portraits, which would require studio setups in most cases. You could spend some of the leftover money on gear for that as well.
A backup camera body would also be a requirement. You can't afford an equipment failure at a wedding.
Message edited by author 2005-12-29 11:12:50.
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12/29/2005 11:17:55 AM · #12 |
Nice shots.
Yeah, I'll toss out a little tidbit I got from my bro-in-law who shoots for a LARGE studio (at least compared with my little operation). If you are going to approach photography as a business instead of as a hobby then you have to make each purchase pay for itself before buying something else. Now I started off with a hobby, like many I wanted to turn it into a business and suddenly found that what I used to have time for (say 3 or 4 weddings plus the editing) turned into a much costlier and more involved business (now I build albums, market to a larger target audience, edit more photos because we shot more jobs, etc). If you are going to shoot 3, 4, 5 weddings or so and they're mostly natural light then you can easily get by with a Rebel and some moderately good glass. If you are going to market yourself to thousands of brides via magazines, websites and/or direct mail then you may find yourself contracted for a situation where you don't have the equipment that allows you to get the shot you want (say the indoor shot is f/1 @ ISO 1600 and 3" so you need something with some response on the darker end of the spectrum and some faster glass). I'm not meaning to say one type of work is better and one type is worse or second class. What I'm saying is that June seems to be wanting to seek out business and so she may find that she needs equipment that is both rated by the mfgr. for heavier duty use as well as equipment that is capable of handling a larger latitude of lighting conditions. From a business standpoint you also may need to consider that if Chiqui markets to people she doesn't know then she may have her photos sitting side-by-side with someone (like at a bridal fair) and she wants the output to be comparable so that she can be judged on her artistic value instead of the fact that she printed an 8x10 while the gal nextdoor has a couple of 16x20's matted & framed. Its not that she can't make money but a bride has been known to be swayed by the presentation and pay more money for perceived value.
If this is an investment, Chiqui, I'd say that you all need to decide what you're planning on doing with the business and then you'll know better what to spend (as a used 1Ds & the 5D are around the same price right now).
Again, depending on where you all want to go with your work you could get by with the 20D you already have. Kosta has shown a good example of how a "consumer" grade camera can be used to produce gorgeous shots.
Luck to you guys with this and let me know what you get into. Are you thinking of setting up a studio in Fla (that's where I thought you were going after the Navy)?
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12/29/2005 11:32:01 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
DPReview's Side By Side
I would have to seriously consider the 5d if I was going to get into wedding photography. The differences in the two cameras aren't that great when you compare them feature for feature. With the leftover $4000 you would have from buying the 5d, I would buy the 85mm f/1.2L, the 50mm f/1.4, and the 24-70 f/2.8L. Those lenses would cover anything you would ever need for wedding photography and you would have the best available. You would still have $1000 left. Being able to do a full package of wedding photography also includes being able to do formal bridal portraits, which would require studio setups in most cases. You could spend some of the leftover money on gear for that as well. |
One other thing that Phil Askey discussed in the above-mentioned review is full-frame digital SLRs' need for quality lenses. Crop factor for 20D etc is kinder on lenses, but a full frame body will punish lesser lenses. |
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12/29/2005 11:56:00 AM · #14 |
I'd have to agree with pretty much everything Kevin Riggs posted regarding his experience. Although I have no direct experience with the 1Ds (MkI or Mk II) it's well understood that the 5D really is the king of low-light, and that in general the image quality approaches the 1DsMkII very closely. With respect to the 5D vs. 1DsMkI, the 5D does have a weaker AA filter than, say, the 20D, but JPEGS, from what I've seen, seem to be softer than good RAW conversions; I think there's a misconception in general that the 5D images are not as rich in ultra-fine detail as the 1DsMkI, but I think a lot of this is due to comparisons using JPEGS from the 5D. I believe the detail is there to be pulled out, but the JPETGs don't really show it. The RAW files have amazing dynamic range and great detail.
Operationally, the 5D is very similar to the 20D, with a very similar control schema, similar response times, etc., with a bigger buffer but slower burst rate. The bigger LCD and the RGB histogram are a godsend. Using the 5D as a main cam with the 20D as a backup/second cam would not entail keeping track of two completely different control strategies, as you would have to do if your main cam was a 1-series.
BTW, I don't know where kyebosh is getting prices, but I find only a small difference between a used 1DsMkI and a new 5D, with the former running about $2800-$3k USD from reputable sellers in excellent condition, and the 5D available for about $3100 USD, though there have been a few legitimate sub $3k deals. Overall, I'd say the price ranges overlap.
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12/29/2005 12:20:14 PM · #15 |
| oh it's my fault, i forgot about the price drop, bh has them for $3300. Not quite as much as i said, but still considerably more. My memory slipped there, i should have checked the pricing. But with that i'd push you even more to the 5D. |
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12/29/2005 12:21:57 PM · #16 |
| 5D at BH...add to cart and price drops from US3299 to US2999. |
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12/29/2005 12:28:27 PM · #17 |
The 5d will be more forgiving...
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12/29/2005 01:16:13 PM · #18 |
Oh, a used 1Ds or new 5D....5D!
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12/29/2005 01:18:13 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by rgo:
5D at BH...add to cart and price drops from US3299 to US2999. |
interesting... not having the money for one, i've never tried that! lol |
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12/29/2005 01:36:33 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Originally posted by rgo:
5D at BH...add to cart and price drops from US3299 to US2999. |
interesting... not having the money for one, i've never tried that! lol |
Hehe...add to cart costs nothing. All of us folks who are NOT in the upper 2% bracket of the American economy can still fantasize and click the button for free. |
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12/29/2005 01:58:04 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by rgo:
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Originally posted by rgo:
5D at BH...add to cart and price drops from US3299 to US2999. |
interesting... not having the money for one, i've never tried that! lol |
Hehe...add to cart costs nothing. All of us folks who are NOT in the upper 2% bracket of the American economy can still fantasize and click the button for free. |
very true...
with only a $500 difference, the 5D looks to be a winner to me. |
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12/29/2005 02:02:03 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Originally posted by rgo:
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Originally posted by rgo:
5D at BH...add to cart and price drops from US3299 to US2999. |
interesting... not having the money for one, i've never tried that! lol |
Hehe...add to cart costs nothing. All of us folks who are NOT in the upper 2% bracket of the American economy can still fantasize and click the button for free. |
very true...
with only a $500 difference, the 5D looks to be a winner to me. |
I think it comes down to usage conditions, etc.
Weather sealing on the 1dmIIN, plus the 100K shutter-trips rating might be more attractive to those who'd use the cams outdoors, in all weather types, and with more actuations. Journalists and sports shooters might like these features, plus the smaller file sizes might mean faster transfers to the photo desks.
The 5D more apt for indoor work, and its file size/image quality more suitable for stock/wedding folks? |
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12/29/2005 09:23:47 PM · #23 |
| I owned the 1Ds. It was a fine camera, with drawbacks. The newer tech of the 5D will probably make it a better camera in low light or at higher ISO settings. |
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12/30/2005 05:25:39 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
Nice shots.
Yeah, I'll toss out a little tidbit I got from my bro-in-law who shoots for a LARGE studio (at least compared with my little operation). If you are going to approach photography as a business instead of as a hobby then you have to make each purchase pay for itself before buying something else. Now I started off with a hobby, like many I wanted to turn it into a business and suddenly found that what I used to have time for (say 3 or 4 weddings plus the editing) turned into a much costlier and more involved business (now I build albums, market to a larger target audience, edit more photos because we shot more jobs, etc). If you are going to shoot 3, 4, 5 weddings or so and they're mostly natural light then you can easily get by with a Rebel and some moderately good glass. If you are going to market yourself to thousands of brides via magazines, websites and/or direct mail then you may find yourself contracted for a situation where you don't have the equipment that allows you to get the shot you want (say the indoor shot is f/1 @ ISO 1600 and 3" so you need something with some response on the darker end of the spectrum and some faster glass). I'm not meaning to say one type of work is better and one type is worse or second class. What I'm saying is that June seems to be wanting to seek out business and so she may find that she needs equipment that is both rated by the mfgr. for heavier duty use as well as equipment that is capable of handling a larger latitude of lighting conditions. From a business standpoint you also may need to consider that if Chiqui markets to people she doesn't know then she may have her photos sitting side-by-side with someone (like at a bridal fair) and she wants the output to be comparable so that she can be judged on her artistic value instead of the fact that she printed an 8x10 while the gal nextdoor has a couple of 16x20's matted & framed. Its not that she can't make money but a bride has been known to be swayed by the presentation and pay more money for perceived value.
If this is an investment, Chiqui, I'd say that you all need to decide what you're planning on doing with the business and then you'll know better what to spend (as a used 1Ds & the 5D are around the same price right now).
Again, depending on where you all want to go with your work you could get by with the 20D you already have. Kosta has shown a good example of how a "consumer" grade camera can be used to produce gorgeous shots.
Luck to you guys with this and let me know what you get into. Are you thinking of setting up a studio in Fla (that's where I thought you were going after the Navy)? |
This is great advice Kevin, thanks. We have actually decided to move to the UK instead of Florida. UK immigration is much easier than US immigration. I'll be starting this business in London. It will be a one person operation and Manic will probably be a second photographer/assitant when and if needed (though he'll help me with the business side cause I suck at math :P ). I am really excited about this and I can't wait to get started.
June
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12/30/2005 07:03:53 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Chiqui:
Manic will probably be a second photographer/assitant when and if needed (though he'll help me with the business side cause I suck at math :P ). I am really excited about this and I can't wait to get started.
June |
Well when you get over here let me know if your in the southeast and we can all get together for a drink & some shootin'. BTW, I've found in business the math gets pretty simple:
Earned minus spent = positive number then YAY!!!
Earned minus spent = anything else then Awwwww, nuts!
Just kidding, it really can be more difficult to know what you've spent & earned at any given time. Good luck to you two in all the stuff you try.
Kev
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