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07/09/2003 09:17:42 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by vjoz:
Maybe you should think about the disrespect you show all of them who follow the rules, and do their best to share and learn on "this free-to-enter non-professional web contest"
As I said before; I didn't mean to disrespect. Ans as I also said before: I was hoping to have "restored the balance" by admitting wat I did in the forum. Is there anything more I can/could do?
well I paid my 25$ or whatever the members fee is...
paid with a smile on my face, happy to learn, happy to share my things and take part in this community.
I am only participating in the free contests. It is my right to do so. Your 25$ assures you the fact of being able to participate in the members-contests with perhaps more professional rules and a more professional attitude. It does not, however, assure you the same results or level of satisfaction in the free-contests, where participants' motives might be different (with ot without braking rules, mind you).
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07/09/2003 09:19:19 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by vjoz:
Originally posted by jochen:
I got the result I wanted out of this already. I was/am not interested in my score. |
and your result is?
a bunch of very pissed of people...
well, you did a good one on that, have a nice life, then...
I apreciate your honesty.
Völundur J. Öz |
My result is to have proven for myself that my PS skills have really improved.
I never ment to piss anybody off. |
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07/09/2003 09:22:42 AM · #53 |
in my opinion, all you've succeeded in doing is disrespect all the people here, dishonour yourself and cast suspicions on all your future photo submissions.
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07/09/2003 09:23:15 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by KarenB:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Just so you know, I have put in my vote for a penalty that is more harsh than just a disqualification of the photo. |
I have also voted for this. |
Please clarify. I am not aware of the exact "disqalification" rules. I don't know what you mean. Altough I can guess; you want to have me banned, right?
Will that make you happy? Will that have proven some point? Will it assure you that nobody will cheat (for much worse reasons than mine) in the future?
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07/09/2003 09:23:22 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by jochen:
Your 25$ assures you the fact of being able to participate in the members-contests with perhaps more professional rules and a more professional attitude. |
Nope. It merely allows you more challenges and portfolio/DPCPrints abilities.
Nothing you can say anymore will change anyone's mind.
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07/09/2003 09:23:38 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by jochen:
Geez...
Can't believe what replies I get.
I thought this site was about FUN. |
It takes the fun away for the rest of us when we have to compete against people who break the rules.
Originally posted by jochen:
So I bent the rules one freakin' time. Big deal. I did it for a reason, and that reason was not winning (participating is much more important than winning), and certainly not "upping my score" (don't see why anyone would rate my pic higher because of more km/h on the rev anyway). |
Sure they would; especially if the car was not moving when you took the shot. The needle on 220 is a much more compelling representation of speed than a needle on zero. You had to know that when you entered.
Originally posted by jochen:
I only wanted one thing out of this for myself; get my spot editing techniques to top level. Nothing else.
Hence my pic, and hence this thread in the forum. |
Then why not check out Photoshop Contest or Worth1000? Seems a better way to go about it. Just be sure you read their rules first before entering. And BTW, I found both of those by searching for "Photoshop contest" on Google.
Originally posted by jochen:
But judgeing from your replies, honesty is not appreciated at all. |
Honesty is appreciated. Honesty is not checking the box to certify that you have read and followed the challenge rules when you have in fact read and willfully violated them.
Originally posted by jochen:
Seems it's much better to cheat, lie about it, and perhaps even win while doing so. |
It probably would have been caught. There is a slight halo effect around the tach needle that probably would have been noticed given the scrutiny the ribbon-winners get. It's not obvious, but it might cause me to ask for an unaltered original.
Originally posted by jochen:
Unvoluntarily, I seem to have proven a couple of things here:
-There are a lot of people on this site who take themselves, their hobby AND this site waaaaay too seriously. |
Probably. But given that this is the culture of the site it seems unwise to thumb your nose at it in the way that you did.
Originally posted by jochen:
-There is no way for the admins to really know when someone is cheating. |
Granted. No amount of rule changes we can implement will prevent a determined and highly skilled individual from breaking the rules. Once or twice. We do catch most of them though, and anyone who makes a habit of it will get caught sooner or later.
Originally posted by jochen:
-Honesty is not appreciated. Stretch your neck, and you get chopped. |
I addressed this point above.
Originally posted by jochen:
Wanna ban me? Then ban me.
I am soooo dissapointed in this site right now. |
The feeling is mutual, it seems.
-Terry
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07/09/2003 09:23:52 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by jochen:
Your 25$ assures you the fact of being able to participate in the members-contests with perhaps more professional rules and a more professional attitude. |
The rules are exactly the same in both contests.
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07/09/2003 09:24:45 AM · #58 |
Is there another way to do it? Or should I have done it before voting was over? I don't think that was an option; people would certainly critique my pic by saying "I think this pic was edited here and there...", thereby ruining my "test".
The DP Challenge is not your private test lab nor is it the appropriate place to play these sort of "test" games. Yes, there are many alternatives to the approach that you suggested was your only option.
The basis of the challenges are clear and your were off-side. Simple. There is absolutely no need for anyone else to relent to your point of view. You abused the site and it's members. No Argument. Ignorance of the rules is not an acceptable excuse.
So, are you now just playing games by antagonizing the membership and having fun by upsetting folks or are you really so arrogant to believe that your position is defendable?
Your stance raises another interesting question? How did you ever pass the Mensa test? Perhaps, you approached it in the same manner as DPC? Perhaps a review of your Mensa score is now in order too? A closed and arrogant mind would not have scored very well at Mensa. Maybe you are not as clever as you think you are?
If you wish to succeed at DPC. Then, you should consider accepting the situation. You may wish to offer an apology. Then, let's all just move on. Your call.
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07/09/2003 09:26:08 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
in my opinion, all you've succeeded in doing is disrespect all the people here, dishonour yourself and cast suspicions on all your future photo submissions. |
Yes, well...
Reactions ARE very harch on this site. Never expected that.
I am starting to feel like Saddam at this point. No matter how many times I state my intentions, no matter how many times I apologize, ... it doesn't matter. People want my skin for a carpet, and they're not happy until they got what they want...
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07/09/2003 09:29:00 AM · #60 |
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07/09/2003 09:30:06 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by jochen:
Originally posted by sher9204:
in my opinion, all you've succeeded in doing is disrespect all the people here, dishonour yourself and cast suspicions on all your future photo submissions. |
Yes, well...
Reactions ARE very harch on this site. Never expected that.
I am starting to feel like Saddam at this point. No matter how many times I state my intentions, no matter how many times I apologize, ... it doesn't matter. People want my skin for a carpet, and they're not happy until they got what they want... |
I am sorry, I did not see your posting where you apoligized. I will look again. All I saw were numerous postings where you continued to provide justifications for your actions. My mistake.
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07/09/2003 09:30:58 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by jochen:
Your 25$ assures you the fact of being able to participate in the members-contests with perhaps more professional rules and a more professional attitude. |
The rules are exactly the same in both contests. |
How is one to know if he is not interested in paid membership contests?
But my point was; I did not cheat on a members-challenge, so no need to bring the 25$ for paid membership into this. |
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07/09/2003 09:32:48 AM · #63 |
So you edit the picture to make it look like it was taken at 230km/h, rather than stationary, with the handbrake on and the door open.
You turn what would look and be dismissed as an easy shot into something that looked a lot harder to take. So your edits only purpose is to improve the fiction of your shot and improve your score.
The fact that you admit you cheated later on doesn't make the original deception any better or worse. You entered it fully in the knowledge that you were breaking the rules. I don't really get why you bother to talk about honesty when you clearly don't understand the concept. Ethics have nothing to do with intelligence. |
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07/09/2003 09:33:40 AM · #64 |
The bottom line is all of this is simple
1) You intentionally cheated
2) You admitted you cheated
3) Deal with the consequences
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07/09/2003 09:34:12 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by jochen:
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by jochen:
Your 25$ assures you the fact of being able to participate in the members-contests with perhaps more professional rules and a more professional attitude. |
The rules are exactly the same in both contests. |
How is one to know if he is not interested in paid membership contests?
But my point was; I did not cheat on a members-challenge, so no need to bring the 25$ for paid membership into this. |
So, you are now agreeing that you did in fact cheat in the "open challenge". This is a good first step. LOL
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07/09/2003 09:38:09 AM · #66 |
| My real question is this if you were going to cheat and do some post editing that wasn't allowable why didn't you go the whole way and remove those distracing sunspots and the glare created by them? If you are going to cheat you might as well do it the whole way. |
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07/09/2003 09:40:00 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
My real question is this if you were going to cheat and do some post editing that wasn't allowable why didn't you go the whole way and remove those distracing sunspots and the glare created by them? If you are going to cheat you might as well do it the whole way. |
This is not the point.
The fact is cheating and breaking (not bending, BREAKING) the rules is unacceptable. |
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07/09/2003 09:43:03 AM · #68 |
I think the sun spots and glare/lens flare or whatever looks pretty cool :P
Message edited by author 2003-07-09 09:44:28.
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07/09/2003 09:46:38 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Then why not check out Photoshop Contest or Worth1000? Seems a better way to go about it. Just be sure you read their rules first before entering. And BTW, I found both of those by searching for "Photoshop contest" on Google.
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Thanks for the links, Terry. I will perhaps use these sites later when my PS skills get even better.
But I must say; on those sites people expect me to edit pics. So for my "test", they're not useful. I wanted to check wether my altered pic would "survive" between unedited pics, remember?
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Honesty is appreciated. Honesty is not checking the box to certify that you have read and followed the challenge rules when you have in fact read and willfully violated them.
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I admit - and have admitted before - to have been dishonest. However, those rules are made to have everyone get a fair score. As I was not interested in score this time, I did not stick to the rules.
I created this thread in order to clarify my ways & goals, and in order to show that I would never cheat & not tell. I also already apologized a dozen of times, and stated that I do not mind at all to have my entry deleted from the contest results.
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
It probably would have been caught. There is a slight halo effect around the tach needle that probably would have been noticed given the scrutiny the ribbon-winners get. It's not obvious, but it might cause me to ask for an unaltered original.
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That may be true for my pic, but dare you say that no pic EVER can win even though it is retouched? Also, given the pic level of quality on this site, it is fairly obvious that my entry had no chance of winning. If I had a "winner entry", I would have played by the rules, and would have kept my experiment for another time.
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
But given that this is the culture of the site it seems unwise to thumb your nose at it in the way that you did.
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I am unaware of this site's "culture"
Message edited by author 2003-07-09 09:47:46. |
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07/09/2003 09:48:17 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by KarenB:
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
My real question is this if you were going to cheat and do some post editing that wasn't allowable why didn't you go the whole way and remove those distracing sunspots and the glare created by them? If you are going to cheat you might as well do it the whole way. |
This is not the point.
The fact is cheating and breaking (not bending, BREAKING) the rules is unacceptable. |
Think about it though by leaving them there it made it look untouched. Had they been removed then it would have been to perfect and someone may have actually questioned it |
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07/09/2003 09:49:34 AM · #71 |
After trying to get through all of the posts on this one all I wanted to add was. If your trying to work on your spot editing skills and you obviously participate in the threads here. Wouldn't it have been easier to not submit a photo to the challenge and create a thread asking people what there opinions of your spot editing were. Personally I didn't vote on your photo on the challenge and I looked at it. It really isn't that good of a spot editing job and I may have requested a DQ. I think the person who commented on how you got this without editing should have put in a DQ. This is a lesson to all voters. If the photo brings up a question in your mind about legitimacy and you comment on its legitimacy you should request a DQ too.
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07/09/2003 09:49:37 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by jochen:
I am soooo dissapointed in this site right now. |
No offense, but Woop-de-doo. Do you really think it took a lot of special skill to move a needle? Virtually anyone here has the talent to cheat in a very convincing manner. You have really pushed some wrong buttons here... |
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07/09/2003 09:53:14 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by jochen:
I am unaware of this site's "culture" |
Then maybe you shouldn't have broken the rules in the first place. |
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07/09/2003 09:53:33 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by jochen:
Thanks for the links, Terry. I will perhaps use these sites later when my PS skills get even better.
But I must say; on those sites people expect me to edit pics. So for my "test", they're not useful. I wanted to check wether my altered pic would "survive" between unedited pics, remember?
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At those sites, they know the pic is edited, so they can look for things like Halos and mention them to you if they show. THIS in my opinion would make your editing better. Did you get ANY editing advice here at DPC? NO.
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07/09/2003 09:54:40 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
So you edit the picture to make it look like it was taken at 230km/h, rather than stationary, with the handbrake on and the door open.
You turn what would look and be dismissed as an easy shot into something that looked a lot harder to take. So your edits only purpose is to improve the fiction of your shot and improve your score.
The fact that you admit you cheated later on doesn't make the original deception any better or worse. You entered it fully in the knowledge that you were breaking the rules. I don't really get why you bother to talk about honesty when you clearly don't understand the concept. Ethics have nothing to do with intelligence. |
My intent was to test wether my altered pic would "survive", would "pass by unnoticed" between al the normal pics.
My modifications may have improved my score (I think they didn't but that's a debate without end), but I clearly stated that my score is of no importance to me. I have no problem with being deleted from the contest results.
I did not start this "honesty"-thing. But I felt compelled to reply when reaction became IMHO too fierce (given the reason for my breaking the rules). |
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