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Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

12/14/2005 10:38:21 PM · #176

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Who's got the bottomless wallet that's going to pay for everyone's hardware upgrade that a few people keep insisting on?

Maybe people need to realize that you have to drop a few dollars on PC/MAC hardware as well as all those lenses everyone keeps raving "ooh, i just got a..." You need a monitor as well as a lens.

Like I said, i figured people who love digital photography would be more concerned about actually having equipment to edit those pictures on. I am wrong, as I usually end up being on this site. Is okay.

BTW, I'm running at 1600 x 1200 on a 19" monitor. Now it's not a pro version so it's probably not up to snuff.

This site belongs to everyone not just those who can afford everything at once.

Your running 1600x1200 and complaining about the change why?

Another assumption. Wrong again. Not complaining.

Sorry, I used the wrong word. I meant,"instigating why?" ;o)

If that's what you want to call it. I don't see any of my responses as instigating anything.

wavelength

Nikon D300

12/14/2005 10:39:47 PM · #177

Originally posted by coolhar:

All voters should be looking at the same images when they score the challenges.

Yeah, I agree with that one. If it's not uniform then it doesn't really work. We're already complaining about how resizing changes images detail levels too much...

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

12/14/2005 10:41:58 PM · #178

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by coolhar:

All voters should be looking at the same images when they score the challenges.

Yeah, I agree with that one. If it's not uniform then it doesn't really work. We're already complaining about how resizing changes images detail levels too much...

It's still not uniform actually since people are viewing the images at different screen resolutions.

Message edited by author 2005-12-14 22:42:18.

DjFenzl

12/14/2005 10:42:01 PM · #179

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
It's a known practice for amatuer photogs to spend thousands on gear, and $20 on a tripod that won't support the camera sufficiently. Not that everyone needs a tripod like mine or is crazy enough to spend that kind of money, but they need a decent tripod for support.

I'm noob about tripods. But please, do correct me if I'm wrong. I'm going to get a tripod soon, my camera is rather light. As long as I can get a tripod that can support my camera's weight (and probably my future camera's weight) am I gonna be fine? Thanks. I'm just not ready to spend 100 bucks on a tripod just yet. Would a tripod wobble or shake under the wind? Will it affect the steadiness? please share your experience. Thanks again.

sorry for the OT

I would recomend either - searching the forums for this or opening a new thread because this question can lead to quite a long discussion.

In my opinion, if you are just starting out and don't have a lot of money - anything will do. I just picked up a $9 tripod from Big Lots the other day, not perfect by any means but certainly functional the majority of the time.

wavelength

Nikon D300

12/14/2005 10:43:13 PM · #180

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by coolhar:

All voters should be looking at the same images when they score the challenges.

Yeah, I agree with that one. If it's not uniform then it doesn't really work. We're already complaining about how resizing changes images detail levels too much...

It's still not uniform actually since people are viewing the images at different screen resolutions.

Yeah, see, it just adds to the confusion.

conglett

Nikon D70

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

12/14/2005 10:46:45 PM · #181

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
This reminds of the old photography discussions trying to convince people that there $20 tripod they used with there $1000 lens was worthless and not allowing them to produce the quality the lens was capable of.

This sounds interesting. Kind enough to explain a little bit more? Thanks

It's a known practice for amatuer photogs to spend thousands on gear, and $20 on a tripod that won't support the camera sufficiently. Not that everyone needs a tripod like mine or is crazy enough to spend that kind of money, but they need a decent tripod for support.

With all due respect, this isn't a reason to pay a lot for a tripod - just an opinion. What specifically does a $200 tripod do that a $20 tripod won't? As long as the camera is still during the shot, how could it matter?

12/14/2005 10:46:54 PM · #182

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by coolhar:

All voters should be looking at the same images when they score the challenges.

Yeah, I agree with that one. If it's not uniform then it doesn't really work. We're already complaining about how resizing changes images detail levels too much...

It's still not uniform actually since people are viewing the images at different screen resolutions.

Yeah, see, it just adds to the confusion.

lol...Just because the site isn't changing now doesn't mean that your point about larger monitors, higher screen resolution etc isn't understood.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

12/14/2005 10:47:23 PM · #183

Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Originally posted by crayon:
Well I guess its concluded that the site wont change the 640 pixel limitation. Maybe in a few years time when everybody has upgraded their hardware. Me thinks this is a losing debate for those who wish to see higher resolution submission in the challenges here on this site.

I'm resting my case. The defendant wins.

I don't see why a higher res image that you have to click on the 640px image is out of the question. Then only those who want to see the higher res version will click.

All voters should be looking at the same images when they score the challenges.

If everybody is running a different screen resolution, then they are already looking at different sizes. ;o)

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

12/14/2005 10:47:50 PM · #184

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Right; different resolutions and different gammas and different color balances and CRT vs LCD and so forth and so on. Youc an't be sure ANYONE is "seeing" what you are seeing, basically.

R.

12/14/2005 10:49:32 PM · #185

Let's do a group purchase so everyone has exactly the same setup. I'm sure we could get a discount. Shipping might be a nightmare though.

;oD (just being silly)

12/14/2005 10:49:43 PM · #186

Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Your running 1600x1200 and complaining about the change why?
Because shes not as selfish as some other posters to this thread?

Voicing a need for change is hardly being selfish, but I'm not surprised about you comments at all.

Message edited by author 2005-12-14 22:50:53.

12/14/2005 10:51:06 PM · #187

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Anybody who is using a laptop to serious photo editing is crazy. I just bought a used 19" lacie for $250. That's for a high end CRT, imagine what kind of deals are out there so people can connect their laptops to a decent sceen.

That kinda kills the portability factor, and thus the point of the laptop, don't you think?

~Terry

Docking station for serious work? Laptops are not for editing contrast / brightness on photos.

As I mentioned above, I don't do most of my photo editing on the laptop (though I do when I'm traveling). I DO use the laptop for nearly all of my web browsing, and that includes DPC.

Also, none of my photo editing qualifies as "serious work." For me, and for the majority of users on the site, photography is a hobby. "Serious work" is what I do 8-5. Phtography is a source of relaxation. As such, I don't put throw the kind of money at it that I would if it were my career.

~Terry

crayon

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

12/14/2005 10:51:12 PM · #188

I think one important thing many people missed out is that, if you are using an LCD monitor, try to set the display resolution to match the actual pixels on your LCD hardware. This gives you the best pixel ratio. Not doing that will result in interpolation, and you will be at your LCD manufacturer's mercy on how much degration on quality will occur!

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/14/2005 10:51:32 PM · #189

Originally posted by conglett:

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
This reminds of the old photography discussions trying to convince people that there $20 tripod they used with there $1000 lens was worthless and not allowing them to produce the quality the lens was capable of.

This sounds interesting. Kind enough to explain a little bit more? Thanks

It's a known practice for amatuer photogs to spend thousands on gear, and $20 on a tripod that won't support the camera sufficiently. Not that everyone needs a tripod like mine or is crazy enough to spend that kind of money, but they need a decent tripod for support.

With all due respect, this isn't a reason to pay a lot for a tripod - just an opinion. What specifically does a $200 tripod do that a $20 tripod won't? As long as the camera is still during the shot, how could it matter?

Never had a point proven so quickly. LOL! :D

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

12/14/2005 10:52:04 PM · #190

Originally posted by bear_music:

Right; different resolutions and different gammas and different color balances and CRT vs LCD and so forth and so on. Youc an't be sure ANYONE is "seeing" what you are seeing, basically.

R.

Thoise of us with various forms of color-blindness are used to seeing "something different" anyway ...

DjFenzl

12/14/2005 10:53:49 PM · #191

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Let's do a group purchase so everyone has exactly the same setup. I'm sure we could get a discount. Shipping might be a nightmare though.

;oD (just being silly)

ooo, ooo and new lighting set ups too... and everyone must be in the same size / color room... and we need blindfolds so we can rest our eyes before judging so they aren't seeing any color casts... and if you're colorblind you can get off the site now... we need timers to make sure that no one stays on there computer before hand and get's eye strain...

(going along with the joke)

12/14/2005 10:55:09 PM · #192

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Originally posted by crayon:
Well I guess its concluded that the site wont change the 640 pixel limitation. Maybe in a few years time when everybody has upgraded their hardware. Me thinks this is a losing debate for those who wish to see higher resolution submission in the challenges here on this site.

I'm resting my case. The defendant wins.

I don't see why a higher res image that you have to click on the 640px image is out of the question. Then only those who want to see the higher res version will click.

If you're referring to challenge entries, the official site position is that it's unfair to base voting on a server-generated resize of an entry, since the photographer has no control of that resize.

If you are referring to portfolio images, as I mentioned I have brought that issue up for internal discussion.

~Terry

12/14/2005 10:58:43 PM · #193

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Who's got the bottomless wallet that's going to pay for everyone's hardware upgrade that a few people keep insisting on?

Maybe people need to realize that you have to drop a few dollars on PC/MAC hardware as well as all those lenses everyone keeps raving "ooh, i just got a..." You need a monitor as well as a lens.

Not everyone is dropping beaucop dollars on cameras and lenses. To name a couple, jjbeguin and Joey Lawrence seem to be doing just fine with their P&S cameras.

~Terry

12/14/2005 11:09:34 PM · #194

FYI: Langdon has put some code in place to track the screen resolutions of voters. We'll post an update once we have a reasonable sample size.

~Terry

12/15/2005 12:30:17 AM · #195

That's fantastic. I can't wait for the results. I had no idea so many people were using laptops only. :D

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

FYI: Langdon has put some code in place to track the screen resolutions of voters. We'll post an update once we have a reasonable sample size.

~Terry

Message edited by author 2005-12-15 00:30:26.