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11/15/2005 10:16:33 AM · #151 |
To add my two cents to the discussion: I think it's quite dificult to tell a story or illustrate a concept with only one image, and when it is done well, it should be rewarded. It's actually easier to tell a story with three images than with one.
That said, there are some fantastic images/stories in this Challenge and so far, I seem to be voting very high. |
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11/15/2005 11:14:37 AM · #152 |
Oh well...I read all your opinions concerning the single photo discussion...but honestly I do not find what's the problem...
The challenge title says:
"Create an entry consisting of three panels that tells a story or illustrates a concept or object. Your panels can be made up of one photo or up to three separate photos."
Some photographers decided to go for the separates shots, some others decided for the single one..ok...
I'm in the last group, mainly because personally, I don't like to force 3 different photos in a 640 pixels space, but this is just a preference of mine.
What I really don't understand is why some members are so biased toward single photos!
It's just a choice! ---->"....that tells a story OR illustrates a concept or object."
Then..I really don't like these quotes...it's too easy here...it's too easy there...because the challenge description allows the photographers TO MAKE A CHOICE....
In the case of the single image, the "tells a story" and "stand alone" matter obviously, immediately falls...as sfalice said....
Anyway...my photo was shooted exactly with the intention of split it in three different panels even if it's a single photo...maybe it's just a different more graphic approach of a classic triptych...
And yes...honestly I find really unfair if someone gives low scores for something that for me is really allowed...
Anyway...I agree that some shots would look better without the lines, but this is another matter! ;)
Just my thoughts...hope you'll understand my English! :P |
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11/15/2005 12:32:08 PM · #153 |
well said, Dax. I said earlier that I prefer one look over the other, but you are right, both should be viewed with eager eyes, because the description allows for it. I even believe it is more difficult to make a single shot split into three effective, so the ones that pull it off, congratulations.
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11/15/2005 12:34:44 PM · #154 |
I just saw an excellent one photo triptych. I've seen poor ones too. But then again, I've seen excellent three photo entries and poor ones too.
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Dang, I agreed to leave 4 comments for every one I've received. I'm only at 32. |
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11/15/2005 12:45:56 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by Dax-:
Anyway...my photo was shooted exactly with the intention of split it in three different panels even if it's a single photo...maybe it's just a different more graphic approach of a classic triptych... |
Dax, I did the same. I knew that I would loose too much if I tried to smash it all into a 640 frame, so I set up my shot with the knowledge that I would be breaking it apart. Take that, plus the fact that I thought broadly in terms of subject, I'm doing well for me (5.41) but only OK on terms of everyone else doing so well. Don't worry about the temperment of the voters. The majority will always do whatever they are told to do. LOL
I'm doing better in GARBAGE than I am in this one - but I did get a favorite. Go figure.
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11/15/2005 12:46:08 PM · #156 |
When I went out looking for subjects to shoot for this challenge I didn't know how I was going to approach it. I finally found something that I felt would work well and tried shooting multiple images but I just couldn't get what I wanted. I decided to use one wide shot and split it up that way. It was all part of the creative process. Whether you do it with one or three images is irrelevant in my mind. Frankly I think it's [not right] for people to be voting down images because of this; probably a bit of sour grapes mixed in because they aren't scoring well with their "multi-image" compositions. So all things considered I'm quite pleased with my score, ie. I probably would be doing well above my average if it weren't for this discrimination.
Message edited by scalvert - Edited to be family-friendly ;-). |
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11/15/2005 12:46:29 PM · #157 |
| waiting for your comment on my poorly executed triptych... :D |
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11/15/2005 12:52:38 PM · #158 |
I think that voters are evaluating if the single photo works better as a tryptich or not. If a very nice picture is forced into a tryptich format just to jump into the challenge it's a pity and the voters are enough clever to recognize it (I hope).
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Updated: 11/15/05 12:46 pm
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11/15/2005 01:00:22 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by SandyP:
I do get frustrated with people marking pictures down because it's only one picture |
Are people actually marking single image tryptichs down?
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I don't think so. I'm not, people are just jumping to conclusions, because i said i was unsure how to vote *some* one image entries. I have one image pictures in the 9-10 group because they work fabulously. I also have some pulling up the rear because the picture simpley did not lend itself to triptych division. |
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11/15/2005 01:07:35 PM · #160 |
| I voted equally on every picture in the triptych because the rules state "1 or 3 images". I looked at the quality of the photo(s), the division of them and the creativity used... just my 2 cents worth :) |
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11/15/2005 01:11:16 PM · #161 |
Originally posted by orussell:
When I went out looking for subjects to shoot for this challenge I didn't know how I was going to approach it. I finally found something that I felt would work well and tried shooting multiple images but I just couldn't get what I wanted. I decided to use one wide shot and split it up that way. It was all part of the creative process. Whether you do it with one or three images is irrelevant in my mind. Frankly I think it's a lot of horse sh!t for people to be voting down images because of this; probably a bit of sour grapes mixed in because they aren't scoring well with their "multi-image" compositions. So all things considered I'm quite pleased with my score, ie. I probably would be doing well above my average if it weren't for this discrimination. |
:) It's not a matter of "discrimination", it's a matter of preference. I personally, when viewing a triptych, like to see a story emerge. I do not vote high on one-photo trips simply because there is no story. It is simply a photo divided. Since you can choose whatever subject you like, to me, it is simply a Free Study photo split in three divisions. I don't find this personally to be a trip, so yes, I am voting one photo shots down - done well or not.
On the other hand there are also trips that have three differnt shots but still don't tell a story. For instance, if a nail is shot in macro at three differnt angles, I don't find this appealing as it tells no story. It is simply three different shots of a nail. Voted down & brown.
Now, I know the rules say you can do this or that, but that is besides the point. The better trips, and there are two that I gave my highest scores to, are those that tell a story (as one does), or one that shows an action in motion (as my other high scoring one does).
I guess it is just a matter of personal preference, but those are my views on trips, and why I am voting high or low.
Rose
Message edited by author 2005-11-15 13:17:14. |
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11/15/2005 01:12:00 PM · #162 |
Of the 4 10s I gave out, 2 are a single shot and 2 are 3 shots... It's roughly split for the dozen+ 9s I gave out too... (I've been REALLY impressed with these entries!)
EDIT: I hadn't planned it that way, it just happened. I went back to count after reading more in this thread and that was what I had already voted.
Message edited by author 2005-11-15 13:13:09. |
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11/15/2005 01:27:46 PM · #163 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Now, I know the rules say you can do this or that, but that is besides the point. The better trips, and there are two that I gave my highest scores to, are those that tell a story (as one does), or one that shows an action in motion (as my other high scoring one does) |
The challenge rules are important, because they help people decide if the image fits the challenge or not. The voters are asked to consider this aspect foremost, followed by technical issues etc.
This challenge presented the option of creating a triptych of 1-3 images to tell a story or illustrate a concept or object
I'm not voting people down just because they decided to try and illustrate a concept or object, or used less than 3 images. These are all valid entries, and conform to the challenge description. I'm not going to penalise them just because they're not 3-image stories.
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11/15/2005 01:29:27 PM · #164 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by orussell:
When I went out looking for subjects to shoot for this challenge I didn't know how I was going to approach it. I finally found something that I felt would work well and tried shooting multiple images but I just couldn't get what I wanted. I decided to use one wide shot and split it up that way. It was all part of the creative process. Whether you do it with one or three images is irrelevant in my mind. Frankly I think it's a lot of horse sh!t for people to be voting down images because of this; probably a bit of sour grapes mixed in because they aren't scoring well with their "multi-image" compositions. So all things considered I'm quite pleased with my score, ie. I probably would be doing well above my average if it weren't for this discrimination. |
:) It's not a matter of "discrimination", it's a matter of preference. I personally, when viewing a triptych, like to see a story emerge. I do not vote high on one-photo trips simply because there is no story. It is simply a photo divided. Since you can choose whatever subject you like, to me, it is simply a Free Study photo split in three divisions. I don't find this personally to be a trip, so yes, I am voting one photo shots down - done well or not.
On the other hand there are also trips that have three differnt shots but still don't tell a story. For instance, if a nail is shot in macro at three differnt angles, I don't find this appealing as it tells no story. It is simply three different shots of a nail. Voted down & brown.
Now, I know the rules say you can do this or that, but that is besides the point. The better trips, and there are two that I gave my highest scores to, are those that tell a story (as one does), or one that shows an action in motion (as my other high scoring one does).
I guess it is just a matter of personal preference, but those are my views on trips, and why I am voting high or low.
Rose |
I can hardly wait until the end of voting to see what your "trip" is all about. Pun intended. ;) How are you faring, BTW?
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11/15/2005 01:34:21 PM · #165 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Frankly I think it's a lot of horse sh!t for people to be voting down images because of this; probably a bit of sour grapes mixed in because they aren't scoring well with their "multi-image" compositions. |
hmm... no... i'd say i scored the majority of the single photo entries down*, but i'm currently at 6.6554 with my own multi-image composition...
so i guess my grapes arn't that sour.
*(not waaaay down, mind you, a point or two at most... but in my view, there had to be a reason to break up the photo, and or the 3 divisions had to be able to stand apart on their own... this is, as i understand it, the spirit and heart of the challenge)
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11/15/2005 01:38:00 PM · #166 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by orussell:
When I went out looking for subjects to shoot for this challenge I didn't know how I was going to approach it. I finally found something that I felt would work well and tried shooting multiple images but I just couldn't get what I wanted. I decided to use one wide shot and split it up that way. It was all part of the creative process. Whether you do it with one or three images is irrelevant in my mind. Frankly I think it's a lot of horse sh!t for people to be voting down images because of this; probably a bit of sour grapes mixed in because they aren't scoring well with their "multi-image" compositions. So all things considered I'm quite pleased with my score, ie. I probably would be doing well above my average if it weren't for this discrimination. |
:) It's not a matter of "discrimination", it's a matter of preference. I personally, when viewing a triptych, like to see a story emerge. I do not vote high on one-photo trips simply because there is no story. It is simply a photo divided. Since you can choose whatever subject you like, to me, it is simply a Free Study photo split in three divisions. I don't find this personally to be a trip, so yes, I am voting one photo shots down - done well or not.
On the other hand there are also trips that have three differnt shots but still don't tell a story. For instance, if a nail is shot in macro at three differnt angles, I don't find this appealing as it tells no story. It is simply three different shots of a nail. Voted down & brown.
Now, I know the rules say you can do this or that, but that is besides the point. The better trips, and there are two that I gave my highest scores to, are those that tell a story (as one does), or one that shows an action in motion (as my other high scoring one does).
I guess it is just a matter of personal preference, but those are my views on trips, and why I am voting high or low.
Rose |
I can hardly wait until the end of voting to see what your "trip" is all about. Pun intended. ;) How are you faring, BTW? |
This is my first trip. I am doing a 5.2 presently, and that is above my goal. I set out for a 5.0, hoping for a 5.5 in the end. I have had some good comments on my photo for things technically as well as nice comments personally. So I am happy with it all around. I thought of doing some last minute changes, but decided to go with my first instincts and so far I am pleased.
Rose |
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11/15/2005 01:45:25 PM · #167 |
Although I only have 4 comments, John (p2jvr) has 14 and I would just like to congratulate people on the constructive, excellent comments made! They have not been bland " I like it" or "good capture" (much as I appreciate these as well especially from people who worry about making technical suggestions) but have made us both look again at our shots and consider them in a different way. No We don't always agree but that's good!
So well done those who have commented and thank you.
I shall be getting to my own comments soon and I hope I can be equally useful!
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11/15/2005 01:50:09 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Now, I know the rules say you can do this or that, but that is besides the point. The better trips, and there are two that I gave my highest scores to, are those that tell a story (as one does), or one that shows an action in motion (as my other high scoring one does) |
The challenge rules are important, because they help people decide if the image fits the challenge or not. The voters are asked to consider this aspect foremost, followed by technical issues etc.
This challenge presented the option of creating a triptych of 1-3 images to tell a story or illustrate a concept or object
I'm not voting people down just because they decided to try and illustrate a concept or object, or used less than 3 images. These are all valid entries, and conform to the challenge description. I'm not going to penalise them just because they're not 3-image stories. |
Let's not kill an already dead horse. I am only stating "my" personal view. I totally understand your view, really I do. What my point is is that whether a shot is one or three, divided it should tell a story of some sort, and to me that is the heart of a triptych. Allowing for others to illustrate an object in three images or a concept in three images is fine, but it also says that telling a story is a way to go. I "personally" believe telling a story with the trip does more for me viewing wise than just dividing a single photo or object.
This is actually pretty tough for me voting wise because of my views on trips and the story aspect. It is really hard to also vote down some really pretty single shots - BUT I have to keep in mind that this is not a free study competition but a trip competition, therefore my votes go to what I think captures the heart of a true trip and not how one framed a single photo, or how one used three totally different shots that in a lot of cases have no corrulation to each other. Just my personal view.
I personally feel that the rules should have ended at where it says "tell a story" and not gone into illustrating an object or concept. By doing that it left the door wide open for story telling to be the hardest route and left out of the equation by many.
Rose |
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11/15/2005 01:59:30 PM · #169 |
//www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&defl=en&q=define:Triptych
More definitions than you can shake a stick at. Lots of opinions as to what it is. And you know hat they say about opinions, they are just like....... You get the idea.
edit: my favorite "A triptych (from the Greek tri- "three" + ptychç "fold") is a painting which is divided into three sections, or three carved panels which are hinged together to form a complete artwork."
Message edited by author 2005-11-15 14:01:21.
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11/15/2005 02:07:21 PM · #170 |
Originally posted by orussell:
//www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&defl=en&q=define:Triptych
More definitions than you can shake a stick at. Lots of opinions as to what it is. And you know hat they say about opinions, they are just like....... You get the idea.
edit: my favorite "A triptych (from the Greek tri- "three" + ptychç "fold") is a painting which is divided into three sections, or three carved panels which are hinged together to form a complete artwork." |
Exactly, all kinds of different definitions. That is why it is not discrimination, but it is a personal preference as to how one votes. As you can see, many different variations make up a triptych. You have your fav's in the group, I am sure, of what you find the most appealing, what makes you look and think and how it moves you when veiwing. I have my own. So just because the rules and definitions are varied, so can be the voting and the voters in how they view it and vote.
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11/15/2005 02:12:45 PM · #171 |
Wow! And I thought when I opened this thread it was going to be of people posting their scores.
Instead it looks like verbal positioning to influence voters. Bummer.
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11/15/2005 02:15:04 PM · #172 |
this is a scores thread right?
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almost to 6...yay!
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11/15/2005 02:16:15 PM · #173 |
this is a scores thread right?
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almost to 6...yay!
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11/15/2005 02:18:18 PM · #174 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
It is very easy to take one photograph and give it three lines. Not to be a hard ass about it.....
Rose |
Rose you couldn't be more wrong about that. I know some photo's don't lend themselves to a division but but when they do...it's much more of a challenge to do...depending on how you border it. It's all in the borders.
I would suggest that you try it for kicks with or without an image that divides well just to see how hard it is. Split up the image....border it and then reset it into another frame...equal all around.
It's no joke |
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11/15/2005 02:18:42 PM · #175 |
Yes!
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Keeps going up and down past 5.8 and back again!
stare_at_the_sun - were you trying to make a point by posting twice??? :)))
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