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Fujifilm XF 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 R LM OIS

10/25/2005 05:04:15 PM · #76

30 sec worth of levels adjustment and nothing else and I get solid white.

He might of spot edited the photo, but he probably didnt have too in the end. This is a tough call!

Message edited by author 2005-10-25 17:06:29.

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

10/25/2005 05:04:43 PM · #77

Originally posted by MeThoS:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by MeThoS:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
I don't think he should of been DQ'd. If he really did do spot editing do you think he would have amde this thread?

Thank you much. I've FTP'd an "orignal" with only my original cropping to //www.polishedtool.com/uploads/Untitled-1.jpg, if you want to try with a larger photo, go ahead.

Here's my take, not sure how you got those artifacts.

Shouldn't a spot editing DQ only be for images that it HELPED? If he spot edited it, it only made it worse.

Now see, this is much more like what I get when I work on the image for a while. But the picture submitted to the challenge has these two areas close to the bottom of the wrench which are not in this picture. The editing done to the submitted picture has to have been different than the described steps. Using the described steps there's no way you can get the result that was posted to the challenge.

Maybe fotomann submitted the wrong picture to the challenge? It would not be the first time that's happened.

Mine took like 2 minutes. Just open levels in PS and click the highlight button, then just click on the darkest part of the background.

Like I said before, if he did use the magic wand (would be my guess), it sure didn't help the image any.

I know it doesn't take long. What took much longer is to try to get the picture with the two grey areas using overall adjustments.

10/25/2005 05:08:02 PM · #78

Oh Lord, I just figured out what I forgot to tell SC. I used Variations on the midtones to keep her from washing out. Spike the highlights out and run the shadows to the floor.

pepitoid

Canon EOS-30D

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

10/25/2005 05:09:52 PM · #79

Thought at a JPG overcompression for a moment, but...on 2nd thought - I think not. Personaly, when I submit isolated pictures to stock sites, this kind of edges are what I'm looking for. And it always look like this. Hey fotomann, don't be sad! it hapens to anybody to forget some PS steps.

alanfreed

Nikon Z9

10/25/2005 05:09:54 PM · #80

No matter how much I spiked the highlights, it still didn't reproduce what you submitted... sorry...!

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

Fujifilm XF 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 R LM OIS

10/25/2005 05:12:35 PM · #81

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Oh Lord, I just figured out what I forgot to tell SC. I used Variations on the midtones to keep her from washing out. Spike the highlights out and run the shadows to the floor.

Still can't get it to have those two very distinct grey areas at the bottom of the wrench.

smokeditor

10/25/2005 05:13:27 PM · #82

Yeah I just looked at your shot again and compared it to what I had and I couldnt reproduce in PS. Gonna have to side with site council on this one. Looks way to much like brush marks.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

10/25/2005 05:15:49 PM · #83

Originally posted by EvilMonkey:

Yeah I just looked at your shot again and compared it to what I had and I couldnt reproduce in PS. Gonna have to side with site council on this one. Looks way to much like brush marks.

But WHY would I add that crap to my photo? Doesn't make sense to me that everyone is focusing on the edge artifacts. If I had known they'd been an issue, I'd have cropped the photo tighter and those would be a no issue.

ScottK

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

10/25/2005 05:19:49 PM · #84

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Oh Lord, I just figured out what I forgot to tell SC. I used Variations on the midtones to keep her from washing out. Spike the highlights out and run the shadows to the floor.

Still can't get it to have those two very distinct grey areas at the bottom of the wrench.

Does it at least retain the edges of the wrench at the top right, near the dark "lightning" ziz-zag? On the sample at his blog, those are retained, but in all the attempts posted here so far, they disappear into the background. Which tells me, whether its because of a lasso/magic wand (which would explain both that and the grey spots), or some other difference, nobody's actually nailed down what he did.

It seems everyone's trying to reproduce this without spot editing. Has anyone tried to produce it with spot editing?

(And I don't have PS on the computer I'm at right now, so I can't play along.)

(edit - added quote for context...)

Message edited by author 2005-10-25 17:20:59.

gloda

10/25/2005 05:20:25 PM · #85

Here's what I got from the original:

In PSP9 Brightness +8 / Contrast +41.

Only some slight shadows in the lower left remain, but no matter how hard I tried, I sure could not reproduce those hard edges Scalvert has pointed out.

gloda

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

10/25/2005 05:24:47 PM · #86

A possibility:
I often try to edit something selectively (whether for Adv Challenges or everyday photos) and wonder why nothing happens - until I realize I'm in the wrong layer. [i]Maybe]/i] somehting similar happended here: You had some cloning/painting tool selected without noticing. Since the changes in the backround were almost invisible, you didn't notice you were actually editing selectively - neither wanting nor knowing it.

theSaj

Canon EOS-20D

10/25/2005 05:26:50 PM · #87

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Take my photo on //www.polishedtool.com/archives/1-Welcome-to-Polished-Tool.html#extended the original and crop it to aprroximately 4x6 dimensions.

Image adjust autolevels
Brightness +~37
Contrast +~22 - +~30

You have to give people a bigger file than the one posted.

gloda

10/25/2005 05:27:58 PM · #88

Big One, I fixed the link as well.

10/25/2005 05:29:05 PM · #89

The more I try to re-create my original photo, the more I wish I had done several "versions", because I am coming up with better results, all without spot editting, than the photo I submitted and it seems so are ya'll.

Message edited by author 2005-10-25 17:30:48.

10/25/2005 05:29:53 PM · #90

Originally posted by theSaj:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Take my photo on //www.polishedtool.com/archives/1-Welcome-to-Polished-Tool.html#extended the original and crop it to aprroximately 4x6 dimensions.

Image adjust autolevels
Brightness +~37
Contrast +~22 - +~30

You have to give people a bigger file than the one posted.

It's here //www.polishedtool.com/uploads/Untitled-1.jpg

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/25/2005 05:34:11 PM · #91

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

...WHY would I add that crap to my photo?

Nothing was added. It looks like a hard brush, eraser or lasso tool was used to lighten some areas of the background. If you were using an LCD monitor, the higher contrast might make the background look pure white, but the toned areas are readily visible on my office CRT. The straight lines are evidence of spot retouching. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get these shapes out of your smoothly toned original background using only basic editing. (This is the entry, with levels shifted to the right for detail):

Message edited by author 2005-10-25 17:35:51.

Neuferland

Google Pixel 2

10/25/2005 05:35:08 PM · #92

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Yep, that's the way it works. But you also realize because you went all out in this thread, even if you had a chance of the photo in question being reinstated to the challenge, that chance is long gone. I have no opinion one way or another on this one, just talking ;)

Deannda

10/25/2005 05:38:29 PM · #93

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
...WHY would I add that crap to my photo?

Nothing was added. It looks like a hard brush, eraser or lasso tool was used to lighten some areas of the background. If you were using an LCD monitor, the higher contrast might make the background look pure white, but the toned areas are readily visible on my office CRT. The straight lines are evidence of spot retouching. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get these shapes out of your smoothly toned original background using only basic editing. (This is the entry, with levels shifted to the right for detail):

I am using an LCD monitor and see what you are talking about, but if I'm spot editting anyway (which I'm not) I'm gonna lasso the whole wrench and possibly use one of my "blue screened" images to make background deletion a LOT easier.

10/25/2005 05:40:34 PM · #94

Originally posted by Neuferland:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
The more I try to re-create my original photo, the more I wish I had done several "versions", because I am coming up with better results, all without spot editting, than the photo I submitted and it seems so are ya'll.

Yep, that's the way it works. But you also realize because you went all out in this thread, even if you had a chance of the photo in question being reinstated to the challenge, that chance is long gone. I have no opinion one way or another on this one, just talking ;)

Deannda

I'd at least like to have the votes I had accumulated before today. It's a matter of pride now, not about winning the Challenge. I just don't like to be labeled a cheat in any way.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

10/25/2005 05:55:39 PM · #95

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I'd at least like to have the votes I had accumulated before today. It's a matter of pride now, not about winning the Challenge. I just don't like to be labeled a cheat in any way.

People have given you more than ample ways to bow out gracefully. I think your best bet is to just let the thread die. If you didn't spot edit, it's an injustice of life, but we are beyond recourse. If you did spot edit, we are more than willing to believe it was "absent minded".

It's a great picture anyway, and while it won't win a virtual ribbon (would it have?), you can be proud of it. Leave it in your portfolio and just move on. I'm excited to see more from you.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/25/2005 05:57:23 PM · #96

Bless you, Achoo.

Brent_Ward

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L USM

10/25/2005 06:04:39 PM · #97

Originally posted by scalvert:

Bless you, Achoo.

Don't you have to achoo before you get the blessing?

Message edited by author 2005-10-25 18:04:51.

pepitoid

Canon EOS-30D

10/25/2005 06:07:31 PM · #98

well spoken DrAchoo ! It has to end like that.

Message edited by author 2005-10-25 18:08:20.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

10/25/2005 06:16:06 PM · #99

Originally posted by scalvert:

It's not hard to imagine someone absent-mindedly grabbing the eraser or a lasso tool for a quick touchup, and not even registering that it happened. I've had to re-edit several shots after catching myself in similar situations.

Yup!

I did it last challenge and got DQ'ed and "almost" did again for the upcoming challenge.

Early signs of dementia showing up in my case :)

bazz.