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10/19/2005 07:58:04 PM · #26
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Not for the professional photographers it's aimed at.


I'd debate that. Many photogs consider Capture1 overpriced, and this seems even worse. There are very good tools out there for reasonable prices, I find it odd that Apple thinks they can succeed in the marketplace with a Mac-only application priced in the stratosphere. In order to gain any ground at all, it would have to simply blow all other RAW converters away in functionality, speed, and image quality. I'm sure it will be very good, Apple doesn't do things halfway, but I doubt it will win market share at that price.


C1 may be considered overpriced by a lot of photographers, but they still buy it.
10/19/2005 07:59:29 PM · #27
We shall see. The demos are very impressive and many photographers think Photoshop is overpriced. ;-)

Message edited by author 2005-10-19 20:00:16.
10/19/2005 08:05:26 PM · #28
As someone switching to Mac from Windows, I'm interested. though if they really want to kick C1's teeth in they need a version equivalent to C1 LE.
10/19/2005 08:19:16 PM · #29
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

...they need a version equivalent to C1 LE.


They do. It's called iPhoto. They just need to update their RAW converter to handle more cameras.
10/19/2005 09:25:17 PM · #30
Originally posted by Uusilehto:

Wow.. Kind of ironic really. The program is called "aperture", and the intro page shows a lens with an impossible looking aperture. 50/1.4, my ass.. Hell.. Looks like a zoom even.


what's wrong with a 50/1.4 ? Canon make (or at least used to make) a 50mm f1.0 and still sell a 50mm F1
10/19/2005 09:32:29 PM · #31
wow it looks really cool but dam another $500 apple wants from me. Adobe's CS2 works just fine but this program does look awesome. But APPLE wants alot for one program. Its not going to knock out photoshop though.

Message edited by author 2005-10-19 21:33:13.
10/19/2005 10:30:59 PM · #32
First, if one thinks this is competition for Photoshop, please do us all a favor and read the website and watch the demos so that you can easily see that it has nothing to do with Photoshop turf. In fact it uses Photoshop to do editing, if you have it installed.

Secondly. Price. Yes, it is on the higher-end. However, I have plug-ins to Photoshop that are more expensive that this whole new app that streamlines my entire workflow. This saves me money, and allows me to offer products at a pace that my competitors will have to maintain in order to keep up with me. The $500 price tag is a lot cheaper than me hiring another person to do just what the program does. This program is sweet. I will pre-order once I get to use it at the Apple store. It is a bargain for me.
10/19/2005 11:01:42 PM · #33
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

...they need a version equivalent to C1 LE.


They do. It's called iPhoto. They just need to update their RAW converter to handle more cameras.


Well, I'm just getting started with mac (Last time I used Photoshop on one was way back in '91) so be patient. I was not aware that iPhoto had capabilities on par with C1 LE
10/19/2005 11:05:00 PM · #34
Okay, I see how it's more of a management app...but I thought Adobe had an add-on package for doing that in Photoshop. Maybe I am thinking of a different product.

Well, more power to the Macs...er wait, nevermind, I forgot they're moving away from "PowerMacs" and to "IntelliMacs". And ironically, Microsoft is moving to "PowerPC" processors for it's Xbox.

Mac on Intel
Microsoft on PowerPC

*checks temp. in hell*

Man it's cold... *LOL*
10/19/2005 11:42:51 PM · #35
I don't think it is more power to either system really. I am loving that I actually have a Mac that can run the software. However, I use both platforms.

It is quite funny that MS and Apple seem to be switching themselves. There was an article that talked about MS buying "X" number of Macs to design the new Xbox 360. Though they were used in the original design of the Xbox as well, so that should have come at no surprise. However, for Mac fans, it is ironic.

I am hoping to do a full review of the product once it ships. Will post later.
10/19/2005 11:45:19 PM · #36
the more I read on it the more I am thinking about getting this program, I probably will end up buying it.
10/20/2005 12:05:17 AM · #37
Originally posted by p3wiz:

Software $500

Hardware to run? $$$$


The realization that you are indeed at the top of the techie food chain? PRICELESS
10/20/2005 12:32:00 AM · #38
Priceless, truly. Except new-faster-G5s came out TODAY, I'm slipping!

As a raw pro shooter and certified starving artist, I'll be one of those gathering my pennies for this program, as a lovely complement to PS CS2, iView Media Pro, and my favorite plug-ins like DxO Pro. Sooooo glad I never bought Photo Mechanic or C1. And grateful that I've got the desktop hardware to run it (the powerbook falls a little short). Visually beautiful, well organized, all the pro features a serious photographer could want, comparable to Final Cut Pro in its market IMO.
10/20/2005 02:22:32 AM · #39
Originally posted by kirbic:

I find it odd that Apple thinks they can succeed in the marketplace with a Mac-only application priced in the stratosphere.


Odd like a little piece of software called Final Cut Pro which now dominates the indie film segment, competes fiercely with Avid in Hollywood, and has made Apple a huge mountain of cash?

Seriously, Apple just did what they do best- they created a need that didn't exist the day before. If you're the type of photographer that shoots 1000 pics at an event, and you see what Aperture can do for you in terms of organizing, sorting, and culling, then I strongly suspect that you now *need* this software.

And as far as the Photoshop comparisons go, I had the same knee jerk before I watched the tutorial and testimonial movies. It's just different. Photoshop has a decent RAW converter, but its main purpose is still to flip pixels, and it's is not an organizing tool in any way. Aperture isn't trying to be a professional photo editor, and that's why there's an "Edit in external editor" command in the File menu (I was relieved to see this in one of the movies). It *is* trying to be everything else for your photography, from import to publish. We'll have to wait until the hands on reviews to know if it can really pull this off, but I'm excited.

BTW, for those of you who think that Adobe could get so miffed at Apple that they'll stop making software for the Mac, keep in mind the Adobe is a publicly held company. They simply would not be allowed to throw away 30% of their revenue.
10/20/2005 02:29:52 AM · #40
And the market Apple's aiming at is one they have traditionally dominated, graphic designers/photographers/digital artists. Apple has a huge following among these people. In my experience most design shops run Macs, not windows. The diehard Mac people in the visual arts are gonna love this program.

R.
10/20/2005 02:36:38 AM · #41
At work, our graphic design group only uses Macs. The size of them monitors too - they're JaiNORMOUS! They only use the PCs because it's our standard firm platform. Almost 99% of their work is done on the Mac.
10/20/2005 12:58:50 PM · #42
bump since the other thread's been locked.
10/20/2005 01:10:01 PM · #43
Aperture looks awesome.

I hope they come out with a PC version.
10/20/2005 01:23:06 PM · #44
yep getting the program i have been sold on it. Wow apple now has a G5 Quad....
10/20/2005 01:24:19 PM · #45
Originally posted by EddyG:

Aperture looks awesome.

I hope they come out with a PC version.

I guess it's a bit pricier if you have to buy a G5 as a necessary accessory ...
10/20/2005 01:55:07 PM · #46
Originally posted by EddyG:

Aperture looks awesome.

I hope they come out with a PC version.


It is probably already hybrid coded for Intel machines for when Apple gets its Intel Hardware. So it's quite possible that it might become available for PC's. What's really interesting from my point of view is the easy web and book publishing features. This is software that's Photography oriented ...at last!
10/20/2005 02:00:18 PM · #47
They certainly will have a PC version, provided your PC is running the Mac OS. If it's a Windows version you're hoping for, don't hold your breath. As has been said, Apple has a great lock on the graphic arts types, and this is clearly intended to be a killer app that maintains and tightens that hold.

Aimed at professional photogs? Wow. Did you see in that demo the ability to quickly batch process RAW files? Select the criteria for white balance, saturation, etc., for one image and then instantly apply those settings to the rest? What a boon for sports/wedding photogs to instantly get those proofs out to clients via the web. Very strong looking product.
10/20/2005 02:05:17 PM · #48
Originally posted by strangeghost:



Aimed at professional photogs? Wow. Did you see in that demo the ability to quickly batch process RAW files? Select the criteria for white balance, saturation, etc., for one image and then instantly apply those settings to the rest? What a boon for sports/wedding photogs to instantly get those proofs out to clients via the web. Very strong looking product.


That's nothing new, really. Adobe Photoshop CS2 (I think CS as well) has the same functionality as do some of the other RAW processors. If it handles them better and faster then I would say they'll give the others a run for their money.

Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that this program would be used in conjunction with photoshop and not as a replacement for it. Has that been disproved or just overlooked?
10/20/2005 02:13:59 PM · #49
Originally posted by cpanaioti:


That's nothing new, really. Adobe Photoshop CS2 (I think CS as well) has the same functionality as do some of the other RAW processors. If it handles them better and faster then I would say they'll give the others a run for their money.

Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that this program would be used in conjunction with photoshop and not as a replacement for it. Has that been disproved or just overlooked?

CS certainly can't do that with RAW files - can only open one at a time. I don't use Bridge, so I can't speak to its abilities with RAW files, but I wasn't aware that it would do batch editing to RAW.

Regarding being a replacement for photoshop, I think Shannon mentioned that Aperture doesn't have the layer-editing capabilities of PS, so I'd say it's clearly not aimed at the PS market, just supplementing for photographers those workflow tasks that PS doesn't address well (or at all).
10/20/2005 02:16:54 PM · #50
Originally posted by cpanaioti:


Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that this program would be used in conjunction with photoshop and not as a replacement for it. Has that been disproved or just overlooked?


Looking at Apple's link, it seems that Aperture will do all sorts of basic (and not-so-basic) image adjustments en suite, as it were; cropping and rotating and levels and color balance and whatnot. It also provides functionality for slipping in and out of Photoshop, which has many more specialized tools and filters and actions etc available. IN other words, it would appear Aperture will work as-is for routine and professional processing, as an extremely sophisticated RAW editor with incredible batch and workflow features, but you'll still need Photoshop for Gothic Glow, as it were.

That's my take on it anyway.

R.
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