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10/17/2005 08:37:12 AM · #51 |
My first impression of the challenge was that it meant a grainy effect of the image, to create a special mood or feel to the picture. The idea of cereals or wood never entered my head until now!!!
So although I am a bit confused I still lean towards the special effect of grain in the photo, (Especially as we have recently had a granular challenge)but will allow that others may not agree with me and vote for either on their merit. |
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10/17/2005 08:43:21 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by rikki11:
it seems like this sounds like a free study with film grain in mind.... hmmm... am i off base here? |
I think you are right on track. I don't think rice or cereal is the intention. :) More like this:
Edit: to add pic
Message edited by author 2005-10-17 08:44:56. |
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10/17/2005 08:56:47 AM · #53 |
| It has to be about "Wood Grain" :D |
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10/17/2005 09:07:17 AM · #54 |
You know, at first glance I automatically thought grain as in how it applies to an image. After all, this is a photography site so it makes sense. However, after reading some of this thread it seems that there is room for all types of grain.
Think about this; for the Wide Angle challenge the description was prefaced with 'Technique Challenge: '. If this is only about post-processing introduced grain, why wasn't it labeled similarly with 'Technique Challenge: ', or 'Post-Processing Challenge: '?
Isn't this FUN!? ;^)
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10/17/2005 09:29:31 AM · #55 |
Oh for God's sake, it's GRAIN as in little tiny dots that most people complain about when they see it in an image, not WHEAT.
"Create an image where grain is an integral part of the MESSAGE of your photo."
Grain in a photo is 99.99% of the time added to emphasize a mood or feeling in a photo....getting a MESSAGE across.
What POSSIBLE message could you get accross with Barley or wood grain? Does that really make sense if you really think about it? Especially after we just had the granular challenge? Isn't it a bit obvious they mean to take whatever subject you want but add grain to it to strenthen the message and mood of the photo???
If you take a picture of a pile of wheat, what is going to be your "message"? "We had a good harvest this year"??
Since we have this problem nearly every challenge, couldn't they just take an extra 10 seconds to word everything super-clearly so it's obvious to everyone, or is having a challenge go off in 10 different directions part of the fun?
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10/17/2005 09:42:47 AM · #56 |
Some of the comments here are great. I immediately thought of grain as in texture of the shot, but then I thought of corn, wheat, etc. Hmmmm I'm thinking we're going to have lots to choose from, which isn't a BAD thing. Plenty of sepia, wistful shots, which is ok by me. On the other hand, with it being fall, lots of corn and wheat too.
Let's get out shooting folks! Good luck. This should be fun and interesting to say the least.
rgo - loved your comment about the head scarf - LOL
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10/17/2005 09:51:25 AM · #57 |
I just thought of the perfect submission. A photo of a bowl of sugar (or salt) at supper high ISO and way to much over sharpening. This way it'll be naturally grainy and very sharp AND fit the challenge. I would have used "grain" but its after harvest season in Toronto.
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10/17/2005 09:55:18 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by rscorp:
Oh for God's sake, it's GRAIN as in little tiny dots that most people complain about when they see it in an image, not WHEAT. |
The "D" in "DPChallenge" stands for Digital. Digital cameras do not have any sort of grain. They may have noise from shooting at high-ISOs in poor light, but they don't have grain. Since you cannot submit a challenge entry from scanned film, clearly if the challenge was about "little tiny dots", the challenge would be called "High-ISO Noise", not "Grain".
What's the point of having a challenge that is basically a "free study" where "meeting the challenge" is accomplished by a Photoshop plug-in?
Message edited by author 2005-10-17 09:57:04. |
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10/17/2005 09:56:15 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by rscorp:
Oh for God's sake, it's GRAIN as in little tiny dots that most people complain about when they see it in an image, not WHEAT.
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Isn't that NOISE not grain? What's the difference? I thought noise was what you got shooting at higher ISO speeds and grain is something added to enhance an image for artistic sake via post-processing.
Originally posted by rscorp:
... or is having a challenge go off in 10 different directions part of the fun? |
Yes - sometimes it is. ;^)
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10/17/2005 09:59:26 AM · #60 |
I have another question...sorry, but has anyone seen a grainy image do well (top ten) in any recent challenges?
I've looked for an example but with this dial-up connection it takes forever to browse the past challenges...
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10/17/2005 10:18:52 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
What's the point of having a challenge that is basically a "free study" where "meeting the challenge" is accomplished by a Photoshop plug-in? |
Oooh thanks for that link! ;) |
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10/17/2005 10:49:48 AM · #62 |
I wonder how this one would have done in the challenge..... I can't figure out how to be deep and meaningful (i.e. send a "message") via grain?
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10/17/2005 10:51:47 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
I can't figure out how to be deep and meaningful (i.e. send a "message") via grain? |
If you wanna send a "message" with "grain", either send a singing wheat-o-gram or study Joey's portfolio...
Robt.
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10/17/2005 10:52:38 AM · #64 |
I think it means grain as in cereals, grown from the ground, etc.
A grainy picture is undesirable imho and will get an appropriate vote from me.
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10/17/2005 10:53:11 AM · #65 |
What would be the point of half the photos on this site then. Adding grain to an image is no more difficult or against the grain ( ha ha ) than any of the other manipulations done to photos here. Why is one filter fine and another isn't?
And typically when they want you to focus on one physical element in your photo ( metal, stone, etc) they word it like "...making sure metal is the main subject of your photo".
Here they say it should be an integral part of the message of your subject. That would imply mood, emotion, etc. Which is what grain or noise is typically used for. Pictures of wheat and barley, however, aren't.
Suit yourself though, once again they left it poorly explained and open to interpretation, which might seem amusing to them but at the end of the day, half the challenge entries, good ones, get voted down and people get pissed off.
Besides giving my opinion that I think it's worded for a film-grain type photo, I also tried to point out that it seems like challenge descriptions are often written by a circus-chimp and maybe it could be done better, especially when there are two meanings to a word.
I'd also point out that if you take MY interpretation of the challenge, it's a lot tougher than you make it sound. What's the point of having a free study where the challenge is met by a plug-in? How many photos do you think people are going to take where having grain in the pic really enhances it? It's a tough thing to do. Grain in an image often times doesn't work, when it does it's a fantastic effect.
If though it's your interpretation, my guess is the winner will be from Kansas.
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by rscorp:
Oh for God's sake, it's GRAIN as in little tiny dots that most people complain about when they see it in an image, not WHEAT. |
The "D" in "DPChallenge" stands for Digital. Digital cameras do not have any sort of grain. They may have noise from shooting at high-ISOs in poor light, but they don't have grain. Since you cannot submit a challenge entry from scanned film, clearly if the challenge was about "little tiny dots", the challenge would be called "High-ISO Noise", not "Grain".
What's the point of having a challenge that is basically a "free study" where "meeting the challenge" is accomplished by a Photoshop plug-in? |
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Message edited by author 2005-10-17 10:58:29. |
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10/17/2005 10:53:22 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by barndog:
A grainy picture is undesirable imho and will get an appropriate vote from me. |
Now tell us you're kidding?
R.
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10/17/2005 11:00:13 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by barndog:
A grainy picture is undesirable imho and will get an appropriate vote from me. |
Now tell us you're kidding?
R. |
Just being a challenge instigator. You called my bluff bear, got me.
Ha ha, it is just so much fun watching all of the angst over the dictionary definitions of each word in the challenge.
Ok----- Turn jerk mode to OFF -----
Better.
Hey, there are some fantastic pictures where grain sets a mood, has dramatic impact, etc. I could also see quite a lovely picture of an ear of corn.
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10/17/2005 11:04:22 AM · #68 |
Anybody?
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I have another question...sorry, but has anyone seen a grainy image do well (top ten) in any recent challenges?
I've looked for an example but with this dial-up connection it takes forever to browse the past challenges... |
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10/17/2005 11:13:05 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Anybody?
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I have another question...sorry, but has anyone seen a grainy image do well (top ten) in any recent challenges?
I've looked for an example but with this dial-up connection it takes forever to browse the past challenges... |
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Not anything I can remember. We're all a bunch of NI freaks you know :D |
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10/17/2005 11:45:06 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by rikki11:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Anybody?
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I have another question...sorry, but has anyone seen a grainy image do well (top ten) in any recent challenges?
I've looked for an example but with this dial-up connection it takes forever to browse the past challenges... |
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Not anything I can remember. We're all a bunch of NI freaks you know :D |
Here is one!!!
This was taken by my 5 year old son with his 1.3Mp camera. Too bad it was one day before the challenge.
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10/17/2005 11:50:21 AM · #71 |
Grain...
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10/17/2005 12:02:20 PM · #72 |
hmmm...
rice in a wooden bowl, iso 6400, B&W ..
quite do'able ..
probably even sale'able
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10/17/2005 12:02:48 PM · #73 |
and more grain...
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10/17/2005 12:02:50 PM · #74 |
um..I think I will sit this challenge out because..that kind of grain is what I am trying to avoid! I think it does nothing to a photograph. I took the challenge to mean wheat, oats, corn etc.
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10/17/2005 01:05:58 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Anybody?
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I have another question...sorry, but has anyone seen a grainy image do well (top ten) in any recent challenges?
I've looked for an example but with this dial-up connection it takes forever to browse the past challenges... |
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Here's a blue ribbon by Laurie that's pretty grainy: according toher notes she added it...
Robt.
Message edited by author 2005-10-17 13:06:44.
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