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05/24/2007 01:28:31 PM · #426 |
Observations, Questions, and possible reasons for with regards to the 3 season Finale of Lost
I loved the character of Charlie and I cried when he died. I knew it was going to happen but still....
People are going to scream Charlie could have gotten out. No he could not. He made his choice and was at peace with it. He closed the door to save the station AND save Desmond. The door could only be closed and LOCKED from the inside. Thus he HAD to stay inside. No, Charlie could NOT open the door when the water began to pour in. With that much tons of pressure of water pushing on the door Charlie would not have been able to overcome the weight of the water pressing the door closed in order to get out. Well, then he could have swam out of the porthole. Same thing: the weight and pressure of the water rushing in would have prevented him from getting out. It is too strong for him to overcome. There WAS a slim possibility of Charlie escaping BUT he would have had to wait till the pressure of the water rushing in equalized with the pressure of the closed cabin. However that would mean that he would have had to wait till there was just probably 1 foot of airspace in the cabin before trying to get to the surface....but more than likely he would not have made it because he would have run out of air before reaching the surface (thus the need that he and Desmond would use the air tanks to get to the surface).
Some are going to scream about the mention of Jack's father seemingly being alive. When Jack screamed to the doctor's and nurses to call his father down here and let's see who is more drunk - he was just yelling. The shock on their faces to me explains that they know Jack is not in his right mind because it is known his father is dead.
What about the prescription that Jack gave to the pharmacist that was written by his father, Christian? Easy explanation: Jack forged his father's signature. Yet another example to show how far Jack has fallen. He is a druggee who has no problem using any method to get the drugs he craves. And his reaction to the pharmacist when she stated she had to call his father. He knew that she would not reach him because he is dead.
My husband caught it first that the scenes with Jack with the beard are in the future. Flashforwards if you will. First big clue when he pulls out the Razor cellphone at the funeral house: they were not in existance when the show first came out. When Jack is walking out of the funeralhouse there is that musical sound that usually accompanies a flashback but instead we were shown what was going on the island. Hence a musical clue that this is the present and we are going to be given a FLASHBACK to the island.
Now who could it be in the coffin? Judging by that no one came to the viewing and Kate's tone and reaction of "Why would I go to the funeral?" ---It could be Ben. But why would Ben have been taken off the island? Or more so why would they want to take Ben off the island? Ben would have no one off the island who cares or wants to be with him.
---It could be Julliette. Why is she not with Jack since there seemed to be a budding relationship between them? She has her sister who was shown to be alive. But her sister may not really be alive given Ben's lies and means of fabricating 'truth' of what people want to see. And many of the survivors of flight 815 still don't trust her or truly like her. Jack seemed really emotional upon reading that obituary.
--It could be Michael. After what Michael did to betray the survivors and killing some of them many may have an extreme dislike for him. Many would have reason not to forgive him for what he did. For all we know Michael does not have many people would would show up for him...with the exception of Walt. If it is Michael then why is Walt not there?
---It could be Locke. After seeing what Locke did at the end. The perception being that he tried to prevent them from getting off the island many would not trust or like him anymore. Thus no one showing up at the funeral. BUT Locke would not leave the island...at least not willingly. If he leaves the island he would cease to be able to walk. Something he is not prepared to give up.
Walt appeared to Locke in a vision. A vision suplied by the island to spur Locke to act. Why? We don't know yet. But Locke was fully prepared to kill Naomi to prevent outside contact. He could kill Naomi because she was a stranger but could not harm Jack because he is a friend and at least to Locke has some unfulfilled destiny (i.e. "you are not supposed to do this")
Locke leaves as Jack makes contact. I think he went back to the Others to act as their leader and help/prevent them from getting killed by whomever Ben feared would kill 'his people' Heck in the last few episodes Locke was a threat to Ben because he WAS taking on the role of leader by giving out orders and being followed. So it is not that great of a leap to believe Locke stayed behind to become their leader.
Locke would not die because the island seems to heal him. The spinal injury. The bite on the hand that his father gave him healed within 24 hours. Thus the gunshot wound that did not immediately kill him was healed in due time.
Another person that seems to be healed by the island or even brought back from the dead is....Michaele/Eyepatch. He has 'died' by the gate 'exploding' his insides, he has 'died' by having a harpoon shot through his chest and now I wonder if he is truly dead from the underwater explosion....Probably not.
Poor Jack. He is a man fallen from grace. On the island he was a hero, the go-to-guy. Everybody respected him. Looked to him for leadership. And secretly it was what he needed...some could say craved for Jack likes to 'fix' things. With everybody rescued he is no longer "Moses" as Namoi called him. A leader of men is what he was on the island. But now that everybody is off the island they have gone back to their lives...and Jack is alone. As Ben said to him: "Why do you want to go back there?" There is nothing and no one there for him. He is no longer the star chief of surgery at the hospital for in his absence another doctor has come to 'replace' him. I forgot his name; that new doctor that introduced himself to Jack.
Sigh, shakes head...poor, poor Jack. Did you see the room he was in at the end when he called Kate for a meeting? Did you see all the scattered maps and the map on the wall that was trying to triangulate the location of the island? And the fact that he said that every weekend he gets on the plane and travels in hopes of crashing....he is a man obsessed with getting back to the island. The question is for what reasons....
Sawyer no longer calls anybody nicknames. He called Kate by her real name - she even exclaimed since when do you call me Kate!?. He called Hurley, Hugo - his real name. Kate observed he has changed ever since he came back from where Locke took him. He has. Now that he has killed the con man that destroyed his life, Sawyer is dead. Both the con man that was Locke's father and the alter ego 'Sawyer' James created for himself. Now that his life's 'ambition' was attained James is struggling to figure out what to do with himself. He loves Kate but is not yet prepaired to take responsibility for another or assume to role of protector just yet. Thus his reaction to her saying that let's hope you are not pregnant. James said the reason why he did not say he would go back earlier was because he did not want her along. Jack tells Kate that is because James cares for her and did not want to see her get hurt...not entirely true. James went back to the camp to die. He knew it was in all likely hood a suicide mission - one in which he hoped to rescue the Bernard, Jin, and Sayed but in the process die trying.
Did Rose leave the island or stay? Remember she was dying from some disease. But on the island she was cured. If she leaves the island she will die. Thus one reason why she refused to help Bernard build his "SOS sign with rocks. If Rose stays on the island then rest assured Bernard stays too.
Jin and Sun leave the island. So thus Sun lives and has the baby...at least we hope so. Julliette seemed to intimate to Ben that woman who concieved on the island 'might' have a better chance at survival off the island.
Did Alex stay on the island with her mother, Danielle? Danielle stated that she would stay for this has become her home. Truthfully, there is propably nothing for her off the island. But if Alex leaves, Danielle would probably follow.
I loved the reunion of mother and daughter! Danielle has yearned for sooo long to be with her daughter. I liked how Ben was the one to tell Alex that Danielle was her mother. I liked how it was Ben who admitted to the fact, stated the fact that he kidnapped and was not her true family instead of Danielle pleading "Don't you know who I am?" or stating with some fear in her voice of being rejected "I am your mother". Much more satifiying that the kidnapper, Ben, admits to what he did and show her who her real family is.
And HURLEY!!! OMG!!! He too has undergone a change. No longer willing to just be swept up in events HE MADE THEM HAPPEN!!! This is Hurley who will now take iniative to act. This new Hurley is one who is capable of killing and threatening to kill ("Hey you others we killed you guys on the beach. We will kill you if you come again...). There is still that lovable Hurley that we know and love but NOW he has a dangerous side: you threaten one of his he will defend and kill if necessary.
The mystery: Whose ship is it that rescues the survivors?? Charlie wrote to Desmond that it was not Penny's ship offshore. Well then whose ship is it?
----It could be the Dharma group. They have been looking to get back to the island. Ben would be threatened by any surviving Dharma groups because of what he did. Thus he would not want them to return and kill 'his' people.
----It could be Penny's father, Mr. Windmere. He consistantly blocked Desmond from seeing his daughter - in fact was instrumental in getting Desmond to tell Penny it would not work because of his brief meeting with him to ask for her hand. It would not surprise me that he is the vindictive type to look for and 'permanently' get rid of the object of his daughter's affection. He does not think Desmond man enough to be his daughter's husband. He does not approve of Desmond. Mr. Windmere would know of his daughter's efforts to find Desmond and launch an search effort himself to find and eliminate him before Penny finds him.
Now that the survivors are off the island my husband thinks that the story will be told from a different perspective. We have been given the end of the story but we do not know the middle. We will see each survivor and flashback to when they got off the island and what they did immediately after. I am beginning to agree with his thinking...that is certainly the angle that the creators and writers seem to be taking especially with how this season ended with Jack in the present screaming 'we have to go back' as a jet takes off overhead.
Lastly, WHO the HELL is Jacob????? |
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05/24/2007 01:48:51 PM · #427 |
Originally posted by CNovack:
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Thats alot of good info there, got me thinking bout alot of stuff i never considered. Hugo has always been my favorite character, this episode was SO cool for him lol. I loved how he came barging in there out of the blue to save the day haha, way to go Hurley :D. I was a little upset about Charlie, he was a great character and its sad that he doesn't get to be with Clair. I hope she finds his ring that he left for her, and it doesn't get lost. I didn't like the flashforwards, while they were informative, it kinda gives away stuff i didn't want to know yet, i wanted to see things unfold in time. BTW, (I missed the conversation between Jack and Kate, so correct me if im taking this out of context) Perhaps the person in the coffin is James? Maybe James and kate had a falling out, or perhaps she is too upset to go see him? Or maybe she had something to do with his death and doesn't want to go out of guilt? Those ideas are because you said kate said "why would i want to go" or something to that effect, i dont know the tone in which she said it so i could be completely off on her attitude on this one. (if i am, please let me know). All-in-all, the season fanaly was pretty good i must say. Its nice to see Alex and Danielle reunited, i liked when Jack kicked Bens arse after he thought Jin, Sayid and Bernard were killed. (btw, im glad they weren't, that would be sad :( ) I love this show :D |
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05/24/2007 02:10:55 PM · #428 |
Originally posted by CNovack:
I loved the reunion of mother and daughter! Danielle has yearned for sooo long to be with her daughter. I liked how Ben was the one to tell Alex that Danielle was her mother. I liked how it was Ben who admitted to the fact, stated the fact that he kidnapped and was not her true family instead of Danielle pleading "Don't you know who I am?" or stating with some fear in her voice of being rejected "I am your mother". Much more satifiying that the kidnapper, Ben, admits to what he did and show her who her real family is. |
A touching reunion quickly ruined by the line "wanna help me tie him up?" There's a good first mother/daughter experience...
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05/24/2007 02:27:29 PM · #429 |
Originally posted by CNovack:
Locke would not die because the island seems to heal him. The spinal injury. The bite on the hand that his father gave him healed within 24 hours. Thus the gunshot wound that did not immediately kill him was healed in due time.
Another person that seems to be healed by the island or even brought back from the dead is....Michaele/Eyepatch. He has 'died' by the gate 'exploding' his insides, he has 'died' by having a harpoon shot through his chest and now I wonder if he is truly dead from the underwater explosion....Probably not.
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I think the same will happen to Charlie, especially since his death was an act of heroism. |
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05/24/2007 02:42:54 PM · #430 |
| I think the boat is Dharma. They would definitely kick Ben off the island and back home Ben would be what? What skills does he really have? I could see him living/dying in that crappy neighborhood with no one. |
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05/24/2007 02:50:35 PM · #431 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by CNovack:
I loved the reunion of mother and daughter! Danielle has yearned for sooo long to be with her daughter. I liked how Ben was the one to tell Alex that Danielle was her mother. I liked how it was Ben who admitted to the fact, stated the fact that he kidnapped and was not her true family instead of Danielle pleading "Don't you know who I am?" or stating with some fear in her voice of being rejected "I am your mother". Much more satifiying that the kidnapper, Ben, admits to what he did and show her who her real family is. |
A touching reunion quickly ruined by the line "wanna help me tie him up?" There's a good first mother/daughter experience... |
I thought that was a great line. Especially in the tone she said it. I even commented on it at the time to my daughter.
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05/24/2007 03:03:19 PM · #432 |
| What are the people on the boat going to do when they find Naomi dead...I mean they are already going to kill everyone according to Ben. |
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05/24/2007 06:20:47 PM · #433 |
Originally posted by Dseale:
Guess you didn't know it's only halfway over. |
Nope. Son of a bitch... |
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05/24/2007 06:25:21 PM · #434 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by CNovack:
I loved the reunion of mother and daughter! Danielle has yearned for sooo long to be with her daughter. I liked how Ben was the one to tell Alex that Danielle was her mother. I liked how it was Ben who admitted to the fact, stated the fact that he kidnapped and was not her true family instead of Danielle pleading "Don't you know who I am?" or stating with some fear in her voice of being rejected "I am your mother". Much more satifiying that the kidnapper, Ben, admits to what he did and show her who her real family is. |
A touching reunion quickly ruined by the line "wanna help me tie him up?" There's a good first mother/daughter experience... |
bondage? lol, sorry i had too :D |
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05/24/2007 06:26:03 PM · #435 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
Originally posted by CNovack:
Locke would not die because the island seems to heal him. The spinal injury. The bite on the hand that his father gave him healed within 24 hours. Thus the gunshot wound that did not immediately kill him was healed in due time.
Another person that seems to be healed by the island or even brought back from the dead is....Michaele/Eyepatch. He has 'died' by the gate 'exploding' his insides, he has 'died' by having a harpoon shot through his chest and now I wonder if he is truly dead from the underwater explosion....Probably not.
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I think the same will happen to Charlie, especially since his death was an act of heroism. |
unfortunatly the LOST makers announced that Charlie IS dead in one of their podcasts. No more Charlie :(
Originally posted by breadfan35:
Originally posted by Dseale:
Guess you didn't know it's only halfway over. |
Nope. Son of a bitch... |
Yay :D I love this show, im glad its only half over ;)
Message edited by author 2007-05-24 18:27:07. |
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05/24/2007 06:37:01 PM · #436 |
| Charlie said on The View the other day that he would be back next season... so either he doesnt stay dead, or he comes back in flashbacks! |
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05/24/2007 07:08:08 PM · #437 |
Ya, "dead" is an entirely relative term on LOST...
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05/24/2007 08:02:36 PM · #438 |
The part that got me mad was when Charlie saw the grenade then they switched between a bunch of different angles and it made it seem like he had time to get out. Why would the door only be locked from the inside of that little room. And even then all he had to do is swim through the hole and shoot up to the surface!!!!!!!!!!! Even when He was pressing the buttons, I said why doesn't he get his scuba gear on before you mess around with anything. If he knows he is going to drowned why not be prepared with a tank of compressed air which is right there!!!!!
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05/24/2007 08:10:13 PM · #439 |
Originally posted by ssodell:
The part that got me mad was when Charlie saw the grenade then they switched between a bunch of different angles and it made it seem like he had time to get out. Why would the door only be locked from the inside of that little room. And even then all he had to do is swim through the hole and shoot up to the surface!!!!!!!!!!! Even when He was pressing the buttons, I said why doesn't he get his scuba gear on before you mess around with anything. If he knows he is going to drowned why not be prepared with a tank of compressed air which is right there!!!!! |
You make great points and is what I was thinking...but ultimately he knew it was his destiny to die...he wouldn't allow Desmond to save him again, or even himself for that matter. |
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05/24/2007 09:07:40 PM · #440 |
Originally posted by jeannybeany:
Charlie said on The View the other day that he would be back next season... so either he doesnt stay dead, or he comes back in flashbacks! |
Oh really? Thats cool, i hope he does come back somehow :P I still think he has a bigger role to play on LOST. |
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05/24/2007 09:28:46 PM · #441 |
Originally posted by DefyTime:
Originally posted by ssodell:
The part that got me mad was when Charlie saw the grenade then they switched between a bunch of different angles and it made it seem like he had time to get out. Why would the door only be locked from the inside of that little room. And even then all he had to do is swim through the hole and shoot up to the surface!!!!!!!!!!! Even when He was pressing the buttons, I said why doesn't he get his scuba gear on before you mess around with anything. If he knows he is going to drowned why not be prepared with a tank of compressed air which is right there!!!!! |
You make great points and is what I was thinking...but ultimately he knew it was his destiny to die...he wouldn't allow Desmond to save him again, or even himself for that matter. |
I agree and i agree!! :-) |
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05/24/2007 09:38:25 PM · #442 |
Originally posted by CNovack:
Observations, Questions, and possible reasons for with regards to the 3 season Finale of Lost
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WOW... that was a lot to read, but i'm glad i did... i have like no one to talk to about this cause everyone got pissed about not getting answers so they all stopped watching it!!
anyway... my biggest question is who died? and at the end when Kate met Jack she said "I better go, he's gonna wonder where I am"... who is "he"??? did they have to make a bargain?? is the person in the coffin, Sawyer???? (would make sense... Jack's ambivolance, but need to be there... laughing at the idea of "family or friend" when asked... kate's disgust ---- after Sawyer's roughness on the island) I think its Sawyer... which would soooo upset me, cause I love him!!!
It was such a great episode!!! I loved it! |
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05/24/2007 09:45:59 PM · #443 |
Just watched it... love me DVR...
I've skimmed over this, and it seems most people think it's Ben in the coffin... I would tend to agree with that (did anyone notice how small the coffin was and Ben was a short dude)
Then again that would be the OBVIOUS choice which means that Ben probably WASN'T in the coffin. |
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05/24/2007 10:10:28 PM · #444 |
Originally posted by DowseDesigns:
Just watched it... love me DVR...
I've skimmed over this, and it seems most people think it's Ben in the coffin... I would tend to agree with that (did anyone notice how small the coffin was and Ben was a short dude)
Then again that would be the OBVIOUS choice which means that Ben probably WASN'T in the coffin. |
I don't have a DVR and didn't notice this last night, but one of my friends said that on the funeral notice that Jack was reading early on, the name began with a J. Those of you with DVR's might want to check it out.
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05/24/2007 10:14:20 PM · #445 |
Originally posted by Maverick:
Originally posted by DowseDesigns:
Just watched it... love me DVR...
I've skimmed over this, and it seems most people think it's Ben in the coffin... I would tend to agree with that (did anyone notice how small the coffin was and Ben was a short dude)
Then again that would be the OBVIOUS choice which means that Ben probably WASN'T in the coffin. |
I don't have a DVR and didn't notice this last night, but one of my friends said that on the funeral notice that Jack was reading early on, the name began with a J. Those of you with DVR's might want to check it out. |
Here's the screen shot. Looks like the last name of 'Lantham' and from New York.
As others have mentioned, it could just be a prop that we weren't supposed to be able to read. But with this show, I doubt it.
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05/24/2007 10:20:40 PM · #446 |
| I'm saying it right now...Jacob is the one in the coffin. Jacob Lantham... |
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05/24/2007 10:21:31 PM · #447 |
Originally posted by larryslights:
From this screen capture it looks like someone with the last name 'Lantham' from New York. Michael & Walt are from New York, but their last names are Dawson & Lloyd. I believe that Rose & Bernard are also from New York, and their last name has not been mentioned as far as I know.
Perhaps it is a character that we have not yet met. But we do know that it is a man. |
Hello Lost fans! I follow another LOST thread at another site. Here's what they posted:
Jeremy_Bentham
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alright, did some research on bentham from the wiki link. as a lawyer, he wanted to create a "panopticon" which wiki defines as:
The Panopticon is a type of prison building designed by English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the late eighteenth century. The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a "sentiment of an invisible omniscience." In his own words, Bentham described the Panopticon as "a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example." [1]
jeez, sound like the island to anyone?
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AND...he's another philosopher like Locke and Desmond...cool huh?!? |
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05/25/2007 10:02:06 AM · #448 |
First of all Im really bad with names.
Secondly, no one has addressed the chance that Ben is right and the boat arriving is NOT saving them. Im just saying this because everyone mentioning 'when they are saved' or 'now that they will be saved'.
The girl with the radio that Locke killed had nothing to do with Desmonds girl...so she was lying. It was Charlies last words, which must mean its important in some way.
Am I just stating the obvious here? if so forgive me ;)
Also, I see an alliance with the others against the people that are now comming to the island! |
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05/25/2007 02:50:23 PM · #449 |
I just saw the latest episode, but what the &$@%!$ are you guys talking about?
In this one, Jack was back (or still there?) and doctor again. He saved a mother and child. Desmond got in the Looking Glass too, Mikael followed him. Etc.
Did we miss an episode? |
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05/25/2007 02:53:48 PM · #450 |
| Did you see all two hours? |
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