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09/06/2005 09:57:38 PM · #26 |
Kanye West....this is the same individual that had a huge party last weekend where Suge Knight got shot in the leg....wow, now there's some company to keep....birds of a feather flock together? I have zero respect for thugs.
He sounded like a rambling idiot to me....just my opinion of course :)
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09/06/2005 09:57:58 PM · #27 |
| Heard a little about this, but haven't seen the video before. Thanks for the link. |
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09/06/2005 10:04:55 PM · #28 |
Hmmm....interesting video! Mike didn't look like he knew what to do or say except try and follow his cue card!
You know, all this reminded me of the John Titor project and I searched around and found it today! It's a great read!
John Titor
John Titor Project
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09/06/2005 10:06:02 PM · #29 |
Bush would be a far better President if he learned how to read and quit leaving all the heavy lifting up to Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste..............
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09/06/2005 10:07:43 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by mystical_princess:
Most of the people who did not leave NO were people who could not, the sick, the elderly, and the poor. How do you know they did not try to leave. People in nursing homes and hospitals, people with no cars, etc... Plans need to be made by whom ever to help those who can not help themselves in times of crisis. I am the only one out of my close family(blood family) that even has a car. Not because my family hasn't worked all their lives but my mom and grandma are both old and ill, their retirements barely cover rent food and medicines and in case you are wondering no they are not black. |
and them not leaving is President Bush's fault??????? You need to look at the local governments not the federal government for blame. Federal steps in when Local ASK for it, the Local Governments Royally screwed up, but lets all blame bush anyway.
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09/06/2005 10:11:41 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by jab119:
but lets all blame bush anyway.
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its the easy way out
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09/06/2005 10:14:37 PM · #32 |
"foreign policy"
You claim foreign policy! If there is one thing that president bush lacks, it's foreign policy. We have spit in the face of the world on the assumption of "W.O.M.D" Have we found any. Meanwell, my freind 18, 19, 20, and 21 year old kids come home to there families in body bags.
This is the only war that we have been in where the funerals services of the men and women have not been public, also known as the Dover Test. It's done to test the public view on loss of life! Do you think this is just by chance?
And you say he is just the Spokesperson for america? It's people with mind sets like that, that has gottin us in the mess we are in today.
And i guess you could call him driving around in his F150 work, right?
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09/06/2005 10:14:51 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Fetor:
Originally posted by jab119:
but lets all blame bush anyway.
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bleck...now i wish Kerry would have been voted the president so we could all blame him |
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09/06/2005 10:17:42 PM · #34 |
| Wheeee...moving all the politics to rant. |
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09/06/2005 10:21:44 PM · #35 |
I personally thought what Kanye West did was totally inappropriate. He took advantage of a captive audience to draw attention to himself and his beliefs. That's not what they were there for, they were there to help the victims of the hurricane. Who knows, he may have even irritated some people enough to distract them from opening up their wallets at a time they really needed to.
I know we have the freedom of speech, but some tact is a great thing to have as well. Theres a time and a place for everything, I think he did a poor job of choosing his time and place.
It's also my opinion that he sounded kind of ignorant.
I hope that doesn't sound overly disrespectful, its just my opinion and I seem to be really tired of negativity. It gets old, ya know?
Edited to say: My husband and I did nearly bust a gut when we first saw this video clip on television, without even trying, Mike Meyers was hilarious!
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09/06/2005 10:22:25 PM · #36 |
As a member of another board said:
Yes, the governor of the state has to request the assistance.
What burns my hide are the people who point to the tsunami last year and say that the military had helicopters dropping supplies within days. It certainly helped that there was a Marine Expeditionary Unit within reach of the effected area though - we don't keep a MEU in the Gulf of Mexico though, and no matter how capable they are, federal troops are barred from a lot of actions on US soil. See Posse Comitatus for more info on that.
Military helicopters and troops need a plan before they can arbitrarily start bringing in supplies, too. Crews that steal a helicopter and go save the world only exist in Hollywood. Unfortunately, that's the only view many folks have of our capabilities. Don't forget that there were limited SAR birds in the air the day after Katrina blew through - the news reports that say "Help is finally here" are BS. If you are there with a microphone complaining, put it down and help. If you are a network news anchor and complaining that the response isn't fast enough, just shut the %^$^$% up. |
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09/06/2005 10:22:35 PM · #37 |
Whilst I understand that there were many that couldn't leave, there were many that could, and didn't.
In one interview the person was asked why he didn't evacuate, and he answered, "We didn't think it would be this bad."
And I don't think Fats Domino fits any of the categories listed for those who couldn't.
Some people were just (and are) stubborn. And while I also understand it would be difficult to leave your home, by staying, some of them endangered a lot more than themselves.
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09/06/2005 10:24:07 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Travis99:
I dont blame bush for the hurricane, but he did cut funding to fema to add funding to homeland security. Well I can tell you this, those poor souls in NO aren't feeling real secure right now. I'm not going to get in to a big debate, check out how cuba handled their hurricane situation, and thats a freekin 3rd world country. Thats all I have to say about that. |
I'm kind of confused on your statement. You say you blame bush for cutting the funding of FEMA to add funding to homeland security? But FEMA is now part of Homeland Security. Wouldn't that in turn give the money back to FEMA?
And another note FEMA was added as a part of the Home Land Security and approved by the Senate which included a Yea vote by Hillery Clinton, Who no is demanding that FEMA be cut from Homeland Security which would definitely cut FEMA's funding, will we blame her if it happens again.
So it seems to me if FEMA failed (and yes I believe there was a delay in response) it's not due to funding or the President. It has to do with FEMA and it's president.
Plus from what I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong) a city government must ask for help from the state government which has to ask for help from the federal government before FEMA or any federal agency can intervene? And if that's correct it was two days before the mayor of New Orleans called for State and Federal help.
I'm not playing the blame game here. We know why most of the ones that did not evacuate didn't do so, they were poor or elderly. I think the local government underestimated the conditions on the first day, thinking New Orleans was spared. And did not know the effects of the levee breach until the next morning. I also think the local government did not calculate how many people did not evacuate. They should of been able to judge by the economic factor of their city.
But we all can be Monday night quarterback's. From the mayor and up, they had more on there hands than they anticipated. We don't even know we would of dealt with our actions. But I know it was justified not to send rescue workers in with people firing upon them. That happens in cities around the nation. When a crime is committed and the scene is not secure the police will hold the EMS until the crime scene is secure.
Black, White, Poor, or Rich - those terms are going to be ringing in our ears for months if not years to come. I don't believe it was a race issue that caused the delay nor a poor issue. I think it was poor planing for a catastrophic event that was eventually going to happen. Unfortunately it happened.
I weep for all that has lost love ones, homes, and everything. I weep for the lives lost. I don't care what race or what was in their bank account. It was human lives lost and any delay that caused even one life loosed is unacceptable. Lets all come together and help in anyway we can. Playing the blame game will not feed one mouth.
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09/06/2005 10:27:06 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by jab119:
You need to look at the local governments not the federal government for blame. Federal steps in when Local ASK for it, the Local Governments Royally screwed up, but lets all blame bush anyway.
James |
The Bush administration took full responsibility for coordinating the rescue and relief efforts days before Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast. The White House effort to shift the blame for the response to Katrina contradicts their public statements before the storm hit. An August 27 declaration on the White House website "authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts" The order specifies that "FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency." Jane Bullock, former FEMA chief of staff, said "The moment the president declared a federal disaster, it became a federal responsibilityâ€Â¦The federal government took ownership over the response."
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09/06/2005 10:32:31 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by adine:
Originally posted by jab119:
You need to look at the local governments not the federal government for blame. Federal steps in when Local ASK for it, the Local Governments Royally screwed up, but lets all blame bush anyway.
James |
The Bush administration took full responsibility for coordinating the rescue and relief efforts days before Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast. The White House effort to shift the blame for the response to Katrina contradicts their public statements before the storm hit. An August 27 declaration on the White House website "authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts" The order specifies that "FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency." Jane Bullock, former FEMA chief of staff, said "The moment the president declared a federal disaster, it became a federal responsibilityâ€Â¦The federal government took ownership over the response."
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One key point is being omitted here. The fact that FEMA could not act until the local and state governments asked for there help.
The President or federal government cannot declare a state of emergency unless asked to do so.
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09/06/2005 10:36:58 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by mk:
Wheeee...moving all the politics to rant. |
Ha, I knew it.
Travis
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09/06/2005 10:37:40 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Fetor:
Originally posted by jab119:
but lets all blame bush anyway.
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its the easy way out |
It isn't about blame it is about understanding how relief efforts work - and how they don't work. We've been working for 4 years and spending how many billions of dollars making the system better - and this is the best we could do for the city of NO? This was a predictable disaster - one that had been practiced...AND we had a a few days warning. What would happen to a city if some unknown threat descended without any warning - a terrorist threat? Hasn't this administration been using that as an excuse for why we are fighting this disaster of a war in Iraq? So we can be safer at home??? I am NOT inspired by their performance. |
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09/06/2005 10:39:19 PM · #43 |
The bulk of the responsibility to evacuate the poor and infirm in NO and the surrounding areas was most certainly on the local and state government. They knew the hurricane was headed towards them more than a few days in advance. They knew their levee system was not designed to withstand a hurricane of that intensity. They knew that the most vulnerable neighborhoods were the poorest and housed the most people of color. The disaster declaration was made well before landfall, which should have cleared the way for FEMA and their people to do what was necessary. Bush did his job. FEMA and the state/local government did not. The only thing I see that he did wrong was appointing Michael Brown to lead FEMA, because that man is an asshat. As much as I support my president, he MUST have been smoking something when he hired that man.
Message edited by author 2005-09-06 22:40:04.
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09/06/2005 10:41:51 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
The only thing I see that he did wrong was appointing Michael Brown to lead FEMA, because that man is an asshat. |
agreed. - well the part about Brown - I can think of a few other things Bush has done wrong in this context and outside of it too.
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09/06/2005 10:42:25 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by homegrown863:
"foreign policy"
You claim foreign policy! If there is one thing that president bush lacks, it's foreign policy. We have spit in the face of the world on the assumption of "W.O.M.D" Have we found any. Meanwell, my freind 18, 19, 20, and 21 year old kids come home to there families in body bags.
This is the only war that we have been in where the funerals services of the men and women have not been public, also known as the Dover Test. It's done to test the public view on loss of life! Do you think this is just by chance?
And you say he is just the Spokesperson for america? It's people with mind sets like that, that has gottin us in the mess we are in today.
And i guess you could call him driving around in his F150 work, right? |
Again was ole "W" crawling around in the desert looking for the WMD him self?? HELL no, the CIA freaking lied to him and his advisors, this has been made public. I will find the link and post it.
Give me 1 example that bush did something all on his own, with out consulting his advisors first. When did he do something the house and the Senate did NOT want him to do it? When did he stop the house and the senate from doing something he did not like?
yes he still works on his ranch, every president has done it, its called a working vacation and it aint nuttin new. instead of working 12 hours or so in a day he may do 4. you need to read up on it my friend. |
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09/06/2005 10:46:29 PM · #46 |
Sigh... These rants never go anywhere productive... Back to photography!
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09/06/2005 10:48:12 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Originally posted by mystical_princess:
Most of the people who did not leave NO were people who could not, the sick, the elderly, and the poor. How do you know they did not try to leave. People in nursing homes and hospitals, people with no cars, etc... Plans need to be made by whom ever to help those who can not help themselves in times of crisis. I am the only one out of my close family(blood family) that even has a car. Not because my family hasn't worked all their lives but my mom and grandma are both old and ill, their retirements barely cover rent food and medicines and in case you are wondering no they are not black. |
and them not leaving is President Bush's fault??????? You need to look at the local governments not the federal government for blame. Federal steps in when Local ASK for it, the Local Governments Royally screwed up, but lets all blame bush anyway.
James |
Where did I even mention Bush? I believe it is the goverment in general, not just Bush. I really don't think you want my opion of Bush in any case even before this happened, heck starting with his father. I know lots of people like Bush, that's a totally diffrent subject though. As far as this disaster goes I don't generally waste my time pointing fingers I'm to worried about helping people. There are enough facts to show where the balme goes no need for my view. But when it comes to blaming the victim I step in to defend those who can not defend themselves!
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09/06/2005 10:49:39 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by adine:
Sigh... These rants never go anywhere productive... Back to photography! |
I was just thinking, wasn't this thread about Mike Meyers and his reaction to Kanye Wests rant?
Looks like lately any post is subject to being turned into a political rant. That's why I try to avoid opening any that clearly mention something political in the subject line, who wants to read a bunch of arguing all the time? I can get that from my teenager ~ |
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09/06/2005 10:51:23 PM · #49 |
"consulting his advisors"
Okay, lets take this 1st. You are telling me that becuase bush is in the clear becuase of "HIS" advisors? yes? If I'm not mistakin his advisors are not up for election!!! The fault lies on Bush, it's his ultimate decision.
When his advisors tell him something great to do, do we hold up Bush or his advisors. Again you are making it sound like Bush is nothing more then a Spokesperson.
2nd of all
Yes all presidents do vacation, BUT NOT 3 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.
They also don't travel as much as Mr Bush has taken the liberty to do, on the backs of tax payers. |
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09/07/2005 12:01:23 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by homegrown863:
"consulting his advisors"
Okay, lets take this 1st. You are telling me that becuase bush is in the clear becuase of "HIS" advisors? yes? If I'm not mistakin his advisors are not up for election!!! The fault lies on Bush, it's his ultimate decision.
When his advisors tell him something great to do, do we hold up Bush or his advisors. Again you are making it sound like Bush is nothing more then a Spokesperson.
2nd of all
Yes all presidents do vacation, BUT NOT 3 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.
They also don't travel as much as Mr Bush has taken the liberty to do, on the backs of tax payers. |
No Im not saying he is in the clear, the president is ULTIMATELY responsible for the actions of many. And basically yes the president is nothing more than a spokesperson. its not that hard to figure out.
I could really care less if bush took a 9 month vacation or even 3 years, he will still do his job, he is on duty 24/7 365 days for 4 years. His vacations are not like yours and mine where we actually can get away from it all for a week or 2 with NO worries except where we are going to set up for that killer sun set pic.
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