| Author | Thread |
|
|
08/29/2005 12:57:34 PM · #26 |
It seems to me fairly clear that the challenge REQUIRES a title consisting of "D*** & L***" and perfectly clear that it requires a title of at LEAST D*** L*** to meet the challenge terms. I operated on this assumption when I narrowed down my range of possible shots. I get mildly peeved to see people ignoring this. I'm not being a total jerk about it; I'm giving OK scores to all "D*** L***" images that deserve it in my eyes, but I'm giving an added little boost to good images that use the ampersand and limit their titles to two words plus ampersand.
It seems to me this happens too much, that on the rare occasions when we have challenges SPECIFYINGT a title format that people turn around and ignore it if it doesn't suit them. Latest case-in-point, the "Time Capsule" challenge. For me it's an interesting twist, really; so many people avow that titles don't MATTER, but if that's the case why not just do the title in the format requested by the description and avoid controversy altogether?
Robt.
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:09:00 PM · #27 |
To me....and this is only my opinion.....but to vote if they title has an "&" or not is not voting on the photograph. Some are very rigid about this whereas others aren't. I understand when someone says the photograph, border, title, etc is the 'whole package' although I don't agree.
Reason being, when go to the Visual Arts Center (or anywhere for that matter) all the photos are in the same kind of frame for voting....so that it can't be voted on because of that....also...when I go to the Paul Brent Gallery I choose a painting based on the painting itself....certainly not the frame!
A title can draw you in...for instance I bought a painting by Patrick J. Reynolds called 'Heavens Hues' and it was in a gorgeous shabby chic-like frame.......and I bought the painting...again...not for the frame.
I know a lot of people are new on here, including myself, and are experimenting with borders and titles along with learning the art of photography. This puts my stance at being a little more forgiving .... and trying to see what the photographer was seeing....no matter how bad or good the photo is.
Just my opinion of course :)
Edit: spelling/grammer/stuff
Message edited by author 2005-08-29 13:11:58. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:12:31 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by mandyturner:
If the title contains a "D" word and a "L" word, than it works for me. I think that some people get way too picky about titles. Lets focus on the photography. |
Amen, sista. |
*nodding* :)
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:13:48 PM · #29 |
Didn't we just have this argument on the Time Capsule challenge, its the sam people with the same argument over and over again.
If the image shows something with a 'D and something else with a 'L' then vote on the quality of the image please and stop the perpetual arguments.
While we are examining the instructions the challenge statesd what do these INITIALS mean to you - now I don't remember an '&' being an initial.
Just get on with enjoying youselves.
Message edited by author 2005-08-29 13:20:22.
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:21:31 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Sherri1209:
Originally posted by ajschel:
Of course I look mostly at the quality of the photo. But personally I'm very strict in sticking to challenge rules, so I think the & should be in between D&L. For instance, whenever I consider a photo worth let's say a 6 or 7, the absence of the & sign makes me give it a 6. Would it have been there, I would have voted 7. That's my way. I agree with glad2badad that it narrows the choice of challenge subjects, and in that way forces people to be more creative in choosing a subject, and I like that, that's the challenge as well for me. Not just the making of a good photo. |
I agree 100% - The mark down isn't significant, but the title was a large part of this challenge. |
Why is the title the LARGE part of the challenge? Are we voting on the title of the photo. With an and or without, if it conveys what the photo is and references to the challenge name, then why not just vote on the photo. What if I don't title my photo, do I get marked down? So it d*mn if I do and d*mn if I don't. If you already are sour after reading the title then you won't like the photo. If you think a photo deserves a 9 but you give it a 6 because you didn't like the title, well how fair is that? If the title is within the scope of the challenge, then it is. As I have said before "judge the photo, not the model or the title".
Gayle
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:31:07 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by gayle43103:
Why is the title the LARGE part of the challenge? |
'cause its not a free study.
The only requirement for this challenge was to have a title with two words starting with a D and a L, with a & in between to connect the two. It was not a free study where any two word title with a D and a L would do.
Disclaimer: Didnt enter, not voted yet. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:34:51 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I disagree big time. When I was trying to come up with an image for this challenge there were many D/L combo's that didn't work with the & in the middle. This narrowed down the choices by selecting a D/L combination that DID work with the word AND in between.
It was specifically mentioned in the challenge title (D&L) AND it was mentioned in the challenge description: "Be creative, and title your shot with your D&L definition!"
For example: Damp Lines sounds fine this way, but try it with Damp & Lines...doesn't work.
The 'AND' does make a difference.
|
Well, that's just lame. Since the challenge specifically asks for the initials "D" "L" and does NOT specify that "&" must be in the title description, I'm gonna give a 2 to every image that has "&" in the title, and a big fat 1 to every image that has "and" in the title.
Sounds pretty stoopid huh?
you people need to lighten up a bit. If a title is "Loud and Dizzy" will it be knocked down because the initials are backwards? How about "Lazy Dog"?
To all of the voters who will knock down a score because the title doesn't have "&" in it, get a grip!
Message edited by author 2005-08-29 13:39:14.
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:36:32 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by vfwlkr:
The only requirement for this challenge was to have a title with two words starting with a D and a L, with a & in between to connect the two. |
It does NOT specify that you have to use a "and" in your title. It askes for what the the initials "D" "L" stand for.
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:39:14 PM · #34 |
the instructions:
Most of us know who "D&L" are on DPC, but what else could those initials stand for? Be creative, and title your shot with your D&L definition!
nowhere does it say that there MUST be an "&" between to connect the two....it says "what else could those initials stand for?".....get out of the box people...you don't always have to be so literal about every little thing...everybody's arguing over an "&"...if it starts with a "D" and an "L" then it fits....i'm sure the creators of the challenge titles are having a good laugh about this "controversy" |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:39:35 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by vfwlkr:
Originally posted by gayle43103:
Why is the title the LARGE part of the challenge? |
'cause its not a free study.
The only requirement for this challenge was to have a title with two words starting with a D and a L, with a & in between to connect the two. It was not a free study where any two word title with a D and a L would do.
Disclaimer: Didnt enter, not voted yet. |
"Most of us know who "D&L" are on DPC, but what else could those initials stand for? Be creative, and title your shot with your D&L definition!" These are the rules...it says be creative and show your definition of what d&l is. It doesn't say "your title must say d____ & l____". If that were the case, that's what I would have done but I gave what I felt was my interpertation of d & l.
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:45:38 PM · #36 |
This place used to be a lot more friendly and didn't require legal council on submissions.
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:46:29 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Originally posted by vfwlkr:
The only requirement for this challenge was to have a title with two words starting with a D and a L, with a & in between to connect the two. |
It does NOT specify that you have to use a "and" in your title. It askes for what the the initials "D" "L" stand for. |
You forgot the "&" in your version of the challenge description. It looked more like this: "Be creative, and title your shot with your D&L definition!"
My beef isn't so much about the photos, it's about the difference in subjects that are available if you change the challenge to not include the "AND/&". Like I stated earlier, try various combinations of D/L and try the same with D AND L...they aren't the same.
The D&L stands for Drew AND Langdon, not Drew Langdon...
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:48:30 PM · #38 |
For the record, the title plays a part in my voting but it isn't the biggest piece and if the photo is good I can almost dismiss a less than catchy title.
I think that some commentators during challenges get extremely nitpicky about things during the challenge. I don't know if it's a reaction to (causing a vicious circle) votes not going their way but I have to say that it doesn't help anyone to have a personal attack in the comments section. That's beyond comprehension, really.
There's a way to be constructive in commentary. Perhaps some people just need to brush up on their effective communication skills. Either way, try to let the "no brainers" commentary just roll off of you. It's not worth it to get panties wadded up over. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:52:49 PM · #39 |
*sigh*
people here turned to be so boring lately....
I'll tell you what: if the pic has a D word and a L word, I don't care about the &. You can trust me it'll get A LOT higher vote then any of the Denim & lace! What the hell do those have to do together? Or a dumbell and lace? c'mon... you can go better.
People, wake up! get CREATIVE! this is what this site is... ooops... WAS all about.
Same from my point of view, by the way, goes for all the cows in the dairy challenge.
Message edited by author 2005-08-29 13:54:14. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:52:51 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by bicray:
If maverick voting continues to increase it will be essential to name and shame the mavericks to save the site. |
Sorry, but I just find this ridiculous. "Naming and shaming" is immature and does nothing but create a hostile environment. If you have an issue with a comment or another individual, use the "report post" feature or contact an SC member and bring it to our attention. There's no need to rally up the troops to join your bandwagon of outrage because you didn't like a comment. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 01:54:54 PM · #41 |
Just for fun, here is how i am voting - i'm going through with a first swipe and not reading (or making it a point to read) the titles. I'm sorting them into the great, the good and the below fives (how diplomatic of me - but there is a lot of them!). And then on my second browse the titles will come into play.
And the instructions say "title your shot with your D&L [b]definition[/]" Not "name your D&L" a defination is different stating what your D and L is.
So my next set of votes will not go to how you wrote your D and L, but how obvious the D and L is to an ignorant audience. If you used your D and L as names as people, i'm not buying it - unless they are wearing namebadges - because there is nothing in the image that proves that D and L. If your title is "Ducks playing leapfrogs" and your image has ducks jumping over each others back, that works for me. I don't care how you define your D and L in words, it needs to be clearly defined in the image. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 02:08:33 PM · #42 |
| It is the definition in the image I am having trouble with. There are a lot of images that the only place any form of D and L appears is in the title and NOT the image. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 02:11:16 PM · #43 |
| I thought this was a PHOTO challenge and not a Typography or Journalism challenge. I voted on the image only. If it had a "D" and & "L" then it fit the challenge. I got tired of the bull and nobody got lower than a 5. It's all subjective anyway. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 02:17:09 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Jinjit:
the Denim & lace! What the hell do those have to do together? Or a dumbell and lace?
|
Why does it make a difference if the D and L items go together if they are both clearly shown in the picture? My items don't go together at all but they are clearly d and l items.
(and for the record so is the title) |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 02:17:45 PM · #45 |
And here we go...my score is steadily going down now probably because of the title. I came here to learn about technique and I'm learning that some people put such an emphasis on small things. I think the title of this website is "digital photography contest" not who has the best title.
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 02:19:45 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by esdarby:
the instructions:
i'm sure the creators of the challenge titles are having a good laugh about this "controversy" |
I'm sure they shake their heads a lot at this silly stuff.
Including D&L themselves! :)
Message edited by author 2005-08-29 14:20:35. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 02:27:27 PM · #47 |
I have only found maybe three that didn't meet the challenge. There are some that met the challenge better than others but I only use that as part of my voting criteria. I did see some great images. Going back to bump and comment. Good luck everyone!
BTW - if you don't agree with my comments, I'm sorry. I try to be as gentle as I can. But, I refuse to let complaints about comments deter me. :)
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 02:30:31 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by gayle43103:
And here we go...my score is steadily going down now probably because of the title. I came here to learn about technique and I'm learning that some people put such an emphasis on small things. I think the title of this website is "digital photography contest" not who has the best title. |
This is all very silly. Personally I think the "D" and the "&" and the "L" are all very crucial due to the criteria clearly outlined in the challenge rules. That's me. Some don't think it's that important. That's them. But.... first and foremost, it has to be a good photo. If it's a good photo with a non-"D&L" title, then point off! The D and the L do not have to go together. Some of the photos are hilarious BECAUSE the D and L do not go together. That's the point. That's CREATIVITY IMHO!!!
I take a point off for poor use of title (my preference) on a good shot. I will take off a heck of a lot more points for a bad photo with a good title (again my preference). That's MY interpretation of the rules. I'm not saying that's right, I'm just simply saying that's my reasoning. Everyone else is perfectly capable of making their own decisions and interpreting the rules as THEY see fit. Why do we have to debate the issue? Why can't we just vote on what the photo says to us as individuals and how we as individuals feel it meets the challenge rules.
|
|
|
|
08/29/2005 02:50:14 PM · #49 |
concerning "maverick voters", it seems like a lot of people here are far too concerned with their votes overall. if you're worried about photographers not submitting anymore because they received a couple 1's and 2's, what kind of photographer are they to quit after someone disagrees with their work? there isn't any money or livlihood at stake on this site. DPC should be for fun and the votes an amusing bonus. take the photos you want to take and let people judge however they want.
as for the title issue, everyone else has argued that thoroughly enough for me. |
|
|
|
08/29/2005 02:52:48 PM · #50 |
Woo Hoo I can predict the futre
Posted on the 24th
I predict "doesn't meet the challenge needs to have the "&" sign" for D&L and "Doesn't meet the challenge, those are boots" for shoes.
wait and see
Steve
Hee Hee, Next week's Lottery numbers available on request
Steve |
|
Home -
Challenges -
Community -
League -
Photos -
Cameras -
Lenses -
Learn -
Help -
Terms of Use -
Privacy -
Top ^
DPChallenge, and website content and design, Copyright © 2001-2025 Challenging Technologies, LLC.
All digital photo copyrights belong to the photographers and may not be used without permission.
Current Server Time: 06/16/2025 11:18:01 PM EDT.
