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 08/29/2005 09:49:59 AM · #26
I really like the photo I entered, even though it didn't score too well. Maybe I should have entered this one instead. At least it is in focus! haha



edited for spelling

Message edited by author 2005-08-29 09:50:58.
 08/29/2005 10:49:27 AM · #27
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Possibly the biggest ripoff in DPC history, Alienyst's placing at 33. Uncredible!



Thanks Strikeslip! Kind of a bummer yes, but apparently I gave a lot of people a good laugh. I have a feeling this will be my first and last nude.
 08/29/2005 01:25:52 PM · #28
Originally posted by heida:
There were so many great pics in this challenge and many placed too low I think
f.e. this one was one of my highest

Another thing I think is funny is the ribbon winners are the same as in Nude II challenge


As i have told irishempress, this is another image desrerving of the top 20 and not of the score it got.
 08/29/2005 02:03:13 PM · #29
I think this one should have placed much higher. It's a very fine quality photo but was outscored by many that were just plain eye candy.

08/29/2005 02:07:06 PM · #30
Thanks all for the top 10 finish :D
 08/29/2005 02:29:05 PM · #31
Ok...I usually don't make posts like this, but I really don't understand how the second place ribbon winner got there. I look at it and I see some gross errors in the post processing (which there is too much of) and not ONE comment on any of them. The top of the extended arm for example near the shoulder to the elbow and almost all the way to the hand. The top of the other shoulder has the same missed areas. The middle of the back. The diagonal lines on the left side of the torso from butt cheek to lower back. These are not natural. The wrinkle that was left in under the right butt cheek when all others were removed. There isn't good lighting...there is post processed look. How can you tell what the lighting was when the whole thing has been altered by the post to look how she wanted?

Message edited by author 2005-08-29 14:34:34.
 08/29/2005 02:39:32 PM · #32
Originally posted by Alienyst:
...I really don't understand how the second place ribbon winner got there. I look at it and I see some gross errors in the post processing... How can you tell what the lighting was when the whole thing has been altered by the post to look how she wanted?


Where you see errors, others see deliberate choices. The post-processing was actually fairly minor, and it's hard to dispute a 7.495 average.
 08/29/2005 03:39:38 PM · #33
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Alienyst:
...I really don't understand how the second place ribbon winner got there. I look at it and I see some gross errors in the post processing... How can you tell what the lighting was when the whole thing has been altered by the post to look how she wanted?


Where you see errors, others see deliberate choices. The post-processing was actually fairly minor, and it's hard to dispute a 7.495 average.

scalvert is at an advantage to the rest of us when he states that post processing was minor. As a member of Site Council he gets to view the original of all ribboners. So I give his opinion on this matter a slightly higher value than that of someone who has seen only the final version as entered.

That said, we all know that heida (also a member of Site Council) has done very well in the challenges by using her superior post processing skills. You could fairly say that heavily post processed images are her style, her trademark, the signature for which she is known.

I don't think we need to take the 7.495 at face value in this particular challenge. It is as much an anomally as are all the scores in Nude III.

Personally, I agree that Constans looks very heavily processed, but that is just based on it's appearance, not having seen the original or been privy to the steps. The model's hair looks especially un-natural to me. Does that shot have a dark black border? And, again for me personally, I am growing tired of the totally dark, no texture backgrounds that have become so common here at dpc. I would consider it more skillfully edited if there were something more than solid black to the background. Maybe it's just my monitor.
08/29/2005 04:34:17 PM · #34
Speaking of the top three. I like them all. I had all three rated at the top. All have votes in the 1's, 2's and 3's. A 1 vote suggests a terrible picture (I got 11 of them). There is no way that these winners are terrible. Here is my question. Who is giving these 1's and why? I'd like to know the reason someone gave these winners (all great shots) a 1, 2 or 3. So if you passed out any of these low scores, why?
 08/29/2005 05:42:05 PM · #35
There was a FAQ post going around and it mentioned a thread killer. They must have meant me.
 08/29/2005 06:09:40 PM · #36
Thanks for all the comments.

I need a DSLR!!

challenge: original:

08/29/2005 06:22:42 PM · #37
I agree with you, when I looked at the photo, I saw a dirty shadows on Heida's picture, I felt it wasn't what I wanted to look at, but others do like it. I take nothing away from the picture and I wish I had a quarter of Heida's talent for taking the photos and then post-processing.

I think that Fantasia deserved the top spot this challenge and feel that Nico did a wonderful job and deserved the Top spot with a clean, well posed, well lit photograph. (meaning excellent)

Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Alienyst:
...I really don't understand how the second place ribbon winner got there. I look at it and I see some gross errors in the post processing... How can you tell what the lighting was when the whole thing has been altered by the post to look how she wanted?


Where you see errors, others see deliberate choices. The post-processing was actually fairly minor, and it's hard to dispute a 7.495 average.

scalvert is at an advantage to the rest of us when he states that post processing was minor. As a member of Site Council he gets to view the original of all ribboners. So I give his opinion on this matter a slightly higher value than that of someone who has seen only the final version as entered.

That said, we all know that heida (also a member of Site Council) has done very well in the challenges by using her superior post processing skills. You could fairly say that heavily post processed images are her style, her trademark, the signature for which she is known.

I don't think we need to take the 7.495 at face value in this particular challenge. It is as much an anomally as are all the scores in Nude III.

Personally, I agree that Constans looks very heavily processed, but that is just based on it's appearance, not having seen the original or been privy to the steps. The model's hair looks especially un-natural to me. Does that shot have a dark black border? And, again for me personally, I am growing tired of the totally dark, no texture backgrounds that have become so common here at dpc. I would consider it more skillfully edited if there were something more than solid black to the background. Maybe it's just my monitor.


Message edited by author 2005-08-29 18:22:53.
 08/29/2005 06:28:23 PM · #38
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Ok...I usually don't make posts like this, but I really don't understand how the second place ribbon winner got there. I look at it and I see some gross errors in the post processing (which there is too much of) and not ONE comment on any of them. The top of the extended arm for example near the shoulder to the elbow and almost all the way to the hand. The top of the other shoulder has the same missed areas. The middle of the back. The diagonal lines on the left side of the torso from butt cheek to lower back. These are not natural. The wrinkle that was left in under the right butt cheek when all others were removed. There isn't good lighting...there is post processed look. How can you tell what the lighting was when the whole thing has been altered by the post to look how she wanted?


I'm actually glad that some of the more artsy shots won, and not the 'provocative' shots. i gave constans a 7, and I rated some of the others that were similar high as well. I just wish I had the tools to compete.. as you can see from my recent previous post, post processing didnt save me too much.. but I still did pretty well.

congrats to the winners, i was especially surprised to see grigrigurl place 3 with that entry.. i thought it would be too 'out there' for people to like here.

08/29/2005 07:39:45 PM · #39
Damn I still can't get a ribbon, even a Brownie. I must try harder :)
 08/29/2005 08:10:10 PM · #40
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Ok...I usually don't make posts like this, but I really don't understand how the second place ribbon winner got there. I look at it and I see some gross errors in the post processing (which there is too much of) and not ONE comment on any of them. The top of the extended arm for example near the shoulder to the elbow and almost all the way to the hand. The top of the other shoulder has the same missed areas. The middle of the back. The diagonal lines on the left side of the torso from butt cheek to lower back. These are not natural. The wrinkle that was left in under the right butt cheek when all others were removed. There isn't good lighting...there is post processed look. How can you tell what the lighting was when the whole thing has been altered by the post to look how she wanted?


so why didnt you comment on it if there was no comment on it :)
I dont usually post answers to posts like this but just wanted to say
that the guy is smeared with brown brons stuff and the stripes on the butt cheaks are from that,
the picture came out excatly as I wanted it to be, but I took a look at it in the computer at work and there the monitor is darker so you cant see the background at all and it didnt look so good there
any opinion is a good opinion :)
Cheers!
 08/29/2005 08:47:27 PM · #41
Originally posted by coolhar:
I think this one should have placed much higher. It's a very fine quality photo but was outscored by many that were just plain eye candy.


My personal issue with that one was that the head seemed unnaturally blocked out. Had it been more equal...it was like photographer was deliberately hiding the face. Had he intended to do so, I believe there are much more artistic and appealing ways to do so. The way it came out, the darkened face became a distraction...had that issue been otherwise I think it would have scored quite well.
 08/29/2005 08:59:51 PM · #42
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Thanks for all the comments.

I need a DSLR!!

challenge: original:


This was one of my personal favorites, scoring a 9. I loved the pose and lighting. It was very similar to what I was trying to get with mine.

however my laptop monitor is extremely bright...i have uploaded the following, which I hope corrects for the monitor and I think should show you all what I was actually viewing (or closer to it).

Challenge


Corrected for monitor


Would love some comments...

Message edited by author 2005-08-29 21:01:42.
 08/29/2005 09:11:05 PM · #43
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by coolhar:
I think this one should have placed much higher. It's a very fine quality photo but was outscored by many that were just plain eye candy.


My personal issue with that one was that the head seemed unnaturally blocked out. Had it been more equal...it was like photographer was deliberately hiding the face. Had he intended to do so, I believe there are much more artistic and appealing ways to do so. The way it came out, the darkened face became a distraction...had that issue been otherwise I think it would have scored quite well.


Thank you so much for the excellent advice. Here is a corrected photo. Is this better?

08/29/2005 09:54:04 PM · #44
I believe so, but i think it could be better...

In your challenge submission, you dodged and burned the top. In the original, the right side seems a bit over exposed. I believe that if instead of d/b the top you did so to the right side (darkening the exposure of her hair, right shoulder, and draping garment) I think it'd greatly improve the shot.

I know that with me, unless it is a crop of the body, or a turned poised shot so it's clear the model is looking away - that I always want to see the face in a nude. In fact, it almost seems an offense to me to dim the model's face and show just her body.

Anyways, hope that gives some insight...cause I did actually like a lot about your foto. And felt it worked well with a non-traditional model. If the model was too shy, i'd suggest doing one of those "Greek Statue" crops.

Message edited by author 2005-08-29 21:55:56.
 08/29/2005 10:05:05 PM · #45
Great advice, thanks. I was a bit disappointed with the score, especially since the model thought the darkening was not a good idea. Humbling contest in many respects for the photog here.

But... I can't wait to do the next one. It was a lot of fun and much harder than I thought.
 08/29/2005 10:06:32 PM · #46
I don't remember the exact vote I gave this image but it would have been around a five or six. Why? I don't like the pose, it is most unflattering. Clothed or unclothed just about eveyone looks better when shot at an angle, not facing square into the camera, or with the body in some more interesting pose. To me it gave the image a "snaphshot" feel despite the good lighting. I'm not saying I haven't been guilty of the same thing myself, I know I have, just trying to give some helpful feedback.

Originally posted by mesmeraj:
for example technically far exceeds quite a few in the top 20, and should have scored a lot better and not been shot down by people that are in denial about getting old.

08/30/2005 07:17:25 PM · #47
I just wanted to comment here to say thank you to everyone for my last place finish in the Nude III Challenge. You know sometimes last place makes it all worth it. I had such a blast hearing everyoneâs comments and I learned a lot as well. I will say this too, there are many people here who do not know how to have fun. That is fine, if you gave me a high mark or a low mark thanks I got my first and hopefully only last place challenge out of the way. There was only one person who hit the nail on the head with his comment he said âIs this the result of spending a week getting turned down by hot chicks who wouldn't get naked for you...? I feel your pain, but sometimes it's better just not to enter :)â Now that was a helpful comment and mostly the case. See I am learning already. 

Donât worry there are going to be many more funny and interesting pictures on my part. I have only entered a few pictures to challenges so far but I am enjoying it greatly.


BTW if you saw my feet in focus, you would be thanking me that I blured them. :) Thanks again.
 08/30/2005 07:36:01 PM · #48
Barndog

left you a comment..........
 08/30/2005 07:39:36 PM · #49
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Thanks for all the comments.

I need a DSLR!!

challenge: original:


You have created one excellent image that shows a lot of emotion....why on earth do you need a DSLR?
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