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Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

08/12/2005 01:35:20 PM · #26

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Why? When Nikon puts the D2X sensor in the D200 (very likely)

My emphasis.

And that's precisely the issue: when. The fact is Canon are simply ahead of Nikon for releases. Nikon have the D200 to release, and potentially a successor to the D2Hs. Not to mention the D50 and D70s are behind Canon's 8MP cameras.

What happened last year? Nikon announced the D2X in September ish for release February I believe (?). Two weeks later Canon announced the 1Ds mkII, and a month after released it. It's just the financial grunt of a larger company.

Prof_Fate

08/12/2005 02:09:20 PM · #27

they need to rename it - I got a magazine today with a pic/announcement of a Konica Minolta 5D.

jab119

08/12/2005 03:28:55 PM · #28

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by yido:

Originally posted by jab119:
it just needs to get officially announced so the price of the 20D will drop so I can get a 20D :)

James,
I wish for that as well. If the 20D was less than a grand, I'd probably buy it right away, regardless of what the replacement for it is like. But I've a feeling that the 5D is appealing to the type who have a 1DsMII and want 5D as a backup or those looking to do serious studio type work. I think the market niche for the 5D and the 20D are different and won't affect each others pricing. It may more likely lowere the 1DsMII's price in my opinion. But let's all hope.

If this is for real, I'm certain of two things:

1) I'll get my $10 from GilP
2) The 20d used price will go down almost as dramatically as the digirebel used price went down between december and june.

Both are great and will make my purchase much easier on the bank account!

I bought my D60 used just as the 10D was coming out. I have had great use out of my D60 (some 70,000 + pics)and it still works great, however some of the new features in the 20D like faster AF, better or less noise and a higher ISO really have me wanting it. Hopefully when I get the 20D it will last as long or longer than my D60. I just have to convince the wife that the D60 has virtually no resale value so I can have 2 bodies :)

James

08/12/2005 03:32:14 PM · #29

Yeah....Canon does NOT confirm this at all... I just called Canon Canada and there is no press release in the works or anything...

This certainly does not mean that there is no 5d on the way...but there is no official word aside from what is posted on that website called "whack" !

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

08/12/2005 03:33:51 PM · #30

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by yido:
[quote=jab119] it just needs to get officially announced so the price of the 20D will drop so I can get a 20D :)

James,
I wish for that as well. If the 20D was less than a grand, I'd probably buy it right away, regardless of what the replacement for it is like. But I've a feeling that the 5D is appealing to the type who have a 1DsMII and want 5D as a backup or those looking to do serious studio type work. I think the market niche for the 5D and the 20D are different and won't affect each others pricing. It may more likely lowere the 1DsMII's price in my opinion. But let's all hope.

If this is for real, I'm certain of two things:

1) I'll get my $10 from GilP
2) The 20d used price will go down almost as dramatically as the digirebel used price went down between december and june.

Both are great and will make my purchase much easier on the bank account!

Not just yet buddy!

justin_hewlett

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

08/12/2005 03:52:18 PM · #31

I don't quite understand what a full-frame sensor is, as opposed to a '1.3x' sensor. Also, why is it desirable?

TomH1000

Olympus E-3

Olympus 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5 Zuiko Digital Zoom

08/12/2005 03:53:26 PM · #32

Hum, seems the wrong direction in my opinion. In this world things get smaller not larger. I really don't see the advantage of having a full frame sensor plus giving up on the 1.3x sensors. At least they are going to add a "Dust Buster" of some kind. Maybe they did learn something Olympus after all :-)

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

08/12/2005 05:17:43 PM · #33

Full Frame is truly desirable, it makes thos numbers on your lens worth learning about.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

08/12/2005 05:27:31 PM · #34

Originally posted by Gil P:

Full Frame is truly desirable, it makes thos numbers on your lens worth learning about.

Who cares about numbers, its the photographs that matter.
Canon APS-C, Nikon DX and all other APS/DX sized sensors of this moment don't really lack any quality as long as you put quality lenses in front of them. This fascination with the old film size fascinates me. :)

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

08/12/2005 05:28:52 PM · #35

Originally posted by justin_hewlett:

I don't quite understand what a full-frame sensor is, as opposed to a '1.3x' sensor. Also, why is it desirable?

A full frame sensor is the same size as a 35mm film negative (or positive), roughly 36x24mm. A 1.3x sensor is 1.3x smaller.
A full-frame sensor is desirable for a number of reasons, but first and foremost, it takes advantage of the maximum amount of total detail that the projected image (image circle) from the lens contains, because it covers most of the image circle, not just the center like 1.6x cams. Another reason that full-frame is desirable is that wide angle lenses are really wide again, instead of looking like longer focal length lenses because of the sensor crop factor.

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

08/12/2005 05:38:37 PM · #36

bigger format = bigger brighter viewfinder = sweetness.

Also, on a lower density camera (if it's true) like the 5D, you'd get a sharper look out of all of your lenses than with the 20D... I think of it as a good thing, not everybody does though. Also your lens doesn't have to 'work as hard' in a sense (for 35mm designed lenses).

Uusilehto

Carl Zeiss 35mm f2.4 Jena/Flektogon MC

08/12/2005 05:52:29 PM · #37

Oh, and just for everyone's info. Canon hasn't confirmed crap.

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/12/2005 06:03:25 PM · #38

Originally posted by kyebosh:

Not quite! Full frame DSLR's (i.e. Canon 1Ds and 1Ds II these days) require the BEST lenses because you are using the whole image circle. Lenses in general are best at their centre, hence 1.6x or 1.3x crop cameras make use of the sweet spot of the lens. You put a crappy lens in front of a full frame sensor you'll quickly see it's shortcomings.

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

08/12/2005 06:18:49 PM · #39

yeah corners tend to go a little bit, which is why 1.3x is pretty sweet. 1.6x crops I think demand too much because of the higher density of pixels. The 20D for example is the most dense camera canon makes, and the 1D is the least dense... When I switched from the 300D to the rebel, I had a marked improvement in sharpness from all my lenses because of this factor. I'm glad to see the density of the new camera might be somewhere in the middle.

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

08/12/2005 06:21:34 PM · #40

Originally posted by jab119:

I just have to convince the wife that the D60 has virtually no resale value so I can have 2 bodies :)

This may be easier than you think. I was sure my SO would think the same but I showed her the resale prices for the 10D and she said there was no way she'd let me sell it. Then went on to say I could always use it as a backup. Maybe it's time for you to sit down with her and browse through ebay.

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

08/12/2005 06:22:55 PM · #41

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Originally posted by Gil P:
Full Frame is truly desirable, it makes thos numbers on your lens worth learning about.

Who cares about numbers, its the photographs that matter.
Canon APS-C, Nikon DX and all other APS/DX sized sensors of this moment don't really lack any quality as long as you put quality lenses in front of them. This fascination with the old film size fascinates me. :)

who cares about numbers??? are you serious?? Iguess it depends on what you do, I can tell you that for me, the numbers are quite important.

Message edited by author 2005-08-12 18:24:04.

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

08/12/2005 06:31:04 PM · #42

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

2) The 20d used price will go down almost as dramatically as the digirebel used price went down between december and june.

I have trouble believing this. They don't seem like they're aimed at the same market at all. If it were to be a D60/10D/20D replacement I would expect it to be closer to the price points of the previous generation or two. Since the price points are so far off from each other I can't see why they would affect each other's resale value.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/12/2005 07:00:58 PM · #43

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
2) The 20d used price will go down almost as dramatically as the digirebel used price went down between december and june.

I have trouble believing this. They don't seem like they're aimed at the same market at all. If it were to be a D60/10D/20D replacement I would expect it to be closer to the price points of the previous generation or two. Since the price points are so far off from each other I can't see why they would affect each other's resale value.

Don't worry too much, your 10d is still one of the best cameras ever made and is the ONLY camera that is built in the same aproach as a Eos-1.

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

08/12/2005 07:10:39 PM · #44

The 5D targets a completely different market from the 10D/20D or even the 1D and 1Ds crowd...Not likely that the 20D will drop in price because of the 5D, prices will drop for sure but that's not because of the5D. The 5D is aimed at people who crave a Full Frame sensor so they can have their Wide Angles back and who can't justify the cost of a 1Ds II.

I'd like to have a FF camera but until Canon comes up with one that can shoot at 8.5 fps I'll keep my 1D II.

thatcloudthere

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

08/12/2005 08:01:43 PM · #45

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

I'm definitely not saying it's a 20d replacement..it's not. The 20d price will come down however because there's going to be a new swarm of people who can now afford a full frame digital camera which they could not before.

Very much like the 300d, the 20d was an entry into digital for a lot of film shooters. Those shooters have been craving full frame ever since they went digital and will now have that option without spending ten grand.

That price on the used 20d's is coming down, I'd bet my magic drain pipe on it.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

08/13/2005 03:21:53 AM · #46

Originally posted by Gil P:

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Originally posted by Gil P:
Full Frame is truly desirable, it makes thos numbers on your lens worth learning about.

Who cares about numbers, its the photographs that matter.
Canon APS-C, Nikon DX and all other APS/DX sized sensors of this moment don't really lack any quality as long as you put quality lenses in front of them. This fascination with the old film size fascinates me. :)

who cares about numbers??? are you serious?? Iguess it depends on what you do, I can tell you that for me, the numbers are quite important.

Those numbers on your lens. They are just numbers. When you get a smaller sensor, you just get another set of numbers. Depends a bit on the manufacturer of course, if the manufacturer doesn't bring out high quality fast wider lenses you're in trouble.
And why only a 12something mp sensor, why not the one from the 1Ds MkII? At this moment I could get the D2x body for the same price as the rumoured price of the 5D. And despite the smaller sensor in the D2x it is a heck of a lot better body with essentially the same output if I use a good DX nikkor.

PaulMdx