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07/06/2005 10:57:34 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Ok, you're on! 21st June 06 - that's going in my diary.. :-) |
You have a diary?
:-) |
Well, by diary I mean my PDA/cell. :-)
Message edited by author 2005-07-06 10:58:32.
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07/06/2005 10:59:00 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Originally posted by skiprow:
if there's a 1000+ entries in a challenge by 6/21/06, you give me my choice of an 8x10 from your port; otherwise, you take your pick from mine ;-) |
Ok, you're on! 21st June 06 - that's going in my diary.. :-) |
hahhah--i don't need to mark the date, it's probably going to happen before then ;-)
Doesn't Meet the Challenge Button we already have one...well, actually we have 4 of then, numbered 1, 2, 3, & 4, found near the top of your keyboard ;-) |
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07/06/2005 11:03:32 AM · #78 |
Ya know people... this isnt a democracy...DPC is run by GREAT people who do their best to make us have a good and fun place to show pthers are photos and to learn and get better.... and they make the decisions..
Therefore...if you dont like how its run... try other places... You wont find a better place than this tho.
BUT ... if you're staying..quit complaining... |
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07/06/2005 11:07:08 AM · #79 |
My 2 cents worth.
1. If you enter you should be required to vote the 20% or be DQ'd.
2. You should only be able to vote on pictures on a random basis.
3. The site should sort for a random pick with the picture with the least number of votes coming up first.
Just my opinion of course!
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07/06/2005 11:09:48 AM · #80 |
I agree the open challenges may be getting too big.
I didn't read through all the suggestions, but I'll throw two out, I hope I'm not repeating others.
A. Have two open challenges every week, both start and end at the same time and you are only allowed to enter one of them (your choice). Thus, two smaller challenges. Problem, there will be one more challenge to vote/comment on each week.
B. Shorten the time period to enter. With 3 or 4 days instead of a week to enter, less people will enter.
Just suggestions if SC is considering them, not sure they will work or be the best solutions.
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07/06/2005 11:11:03 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by di53:
BUT ... if you're staying..quit complaining... |
er...wasn't that complaining? |
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07/06/2005 11:13:46 AM · #82 |
I think the only way to mitigate the growing tide of members is to hold more challenges. If there were a challenge closing every day of the week, people would be more selective of the challenges they enter. This doesn't totally dismiss the fact that some challenges will be more popular than others (either due to time constraints or subject-matter), but it would prove to be a decent mechanism to disperse the participation, instead of limiting said participation.
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07/06/2005 11:14:34 AM · #83 |
On commenting, perhaps ask everyone to comment in some way on the first five photos they vote regardless, which should mean a nice distribution of some comments for everyone even if the number of entries is huge, and even if some of those comments are more or less useful.
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07/06/2005 11:21:07 AM · #84 |
This subject seems to be cropping up here a lot lately. We all know the update button is an addiction, I'm starting to believe entering is an addiction as well (or a means to satisfy your update addiction). I see plenty of shots that look like there was not time taken at all, just needed something to enter so I can hit that friggin update button. If you aren't gonna seriously try to compete, don't enter.
I think we need to re-examine why this site exists! I thought that it was a place where photographers could gather and show their images. Just for fun, we have competitions. I have seen a lot of photo places that are so dead you can not show for a month or so and still see the same pictures on the front page when you finally come back. Excess is a good thing folks! There is a surplus of photos for me to learn how to become a better photographer.
I think there is a lot of whining that goes on here, and I could care less if you get offeneded by that. As a photographer, you need some thicker skin to survive this site. The critique process can be worse than the most intimate physical examination at your doctor. Compete, vote, comment, but for crying out loud, have fun and learn too!
Excuse me, I gotta go hit my update button! :)
Message edited by author 2005-07-06 11:24:37. |
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07/06/2005 11:39:20 AM · #85 |
nope that was a statement...
Originally posted by amber:
Originally posted by di53:
BUT ... if you're staying..quit complaining... |
er...wasn't that complaining? |
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07/06/2005 11:40:37 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by di53:
nope that was a statement...
Originally posted by amber:
Originally posted by di53:
BUT ... if you're staying..quit complaining... |
er...wasn't that complaining? |
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CAT FIGHT !
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07/06/2005 11:41:57 AM · #87 |
How about splitting the challenges into two catagories, both shown at the same time. One section for votes and ribbons, the other section for comments and help. The photographer can only choose one section to enter.
First group: Some people are really competitive and want to win. That's what makes this site so exciting for them. If it's a good picture, most of their comments will say "good picture". Sort of redundant because the score backs that up. They would be drawn to enter even if they didn't get comments. The score is everything.
Second group: The photographer might have taken a decent picture that they like for a challenge but might feel that it isn't ribbon material and they only want feedback. They want to learn why their picture lacks pop. They really want and appreciate thoughtful and constructive comments and most of the time they don't get it because everyone is busy trying to pick the winner.
This would help both groups and the voters. They could open the 1st group and race through the voting to get the winner and then take their percious time to help out people who really just want to learn. Plus it would help the critique club keep up with all the indepth comment request! |
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07/06/2005 11:42:12 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by di53:
nope that was a statement...
Originally posted by amber:
Originally posted by di53:
BUT ... if you're staying..quit complaining... |
er...wasn't that complaining? |
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looks like another enquirer scoop for slippy ;-) |
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07/06/2005 12:02:15 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by khdoss:
Okay here is a suggestion, have a preliminary round. The first 3 days is the sorting process and to be honest there is very little change in scores after the second day anyway. Anything below a 4.999 is removed and the 5s and aboves remain in place and voting continues.
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Wouldn't anyone voting in fact have less time to go throught all the entries (only three days, instead of seven)? I feel that the voting would end up severely skewed.
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07/06/2005 12:11:21 PM · #90 |
What usually happens to generalized systems, when they get too big to be self-sustaining is that they break apart into other, smaller systems. Sometimes those look very much like the original. Sometimes the new, smaller systems tend to specialize.
So one obvious choice would be to create a number of categories and have members declare interest in some number of categories. For the sake of illustration let's say that number is one. In each category there would be a weekly challenge. A member could enter once in their category and once in another category. And anyone could vote in any category. The result would be that the same number of participants would be producing the same number of photos, but each competition would have fewer photos.
Of course, if the DPC system gets too big and ungainly this will happen naturally with other sites copying DPC's successful practices but focusing on more specialized groups.
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07/06/2005 12:12:13 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by papa:
...I think there is a lot of whining that goes on here, and I could care less if you get offeneded by that. As a photographer, you need some thicker skin to survive this site. The critique process can be worse than the most intimate physical examination at your doctor. Compete, vote, comment, but for crying out loud, have fun and learn too... |
BRAVO - standing ovation! |
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07/06/2005 12:18:56 PM · #92 |
My husband has a good way of voting: he does a few each day, even if there are 500 entries: look at only 70 or 80 per day or whenever you have time, then try the next day, do as many as you can and comment only if you have time...it would be sad to limit the number of photographs, even if some aren't of high quality, because it seems to me that if someone thought their picture was good enough to put on display, I'll look at it.
I just read srbrubaker's idea of categories and it is a wonderful idea!!!!
Message edited by author 2005-07-06 12:29:14. |
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07/06/2005 12:34:41 PM · #93 |
This is a very sad thread.
I have talked to some here who have been incredibly helpful in my goal, which is to become better. To learn. And other's are incredibly spiteful with what appears to be an attitude of "you're not good enough to be considered with my work".
As one whose photo's I'm sure many of you don't care to look at...I have a small suggestion.
I enter the challenges with what I can do, I know going in they aren't going to do well. The current two I have in are exactly where I think they should be, for the reasons (according to the comments) I believe they should be. What would be nice is a bit more personal comments and critiques.
I'm suggesting a mentoring path. Where you don't necessarily submit to challenges but you do have one or a small handful of more seasoned photographers that consistantly look at what you post and work with you to get better, then when you've gotten it down... THEN you start entering challenges.
I feel this would be particularly good for the younglings and new photographers. It fits in wonderfully with the learning series thread as well.
Or perhaps there should be invitational challenges, where you have to have an average for the last 10 challenges (abitrary number) of being in the top 20%?
There are some good ways to continue to provide the people with professional expierence and level with a good challenge and still give the rest of us the opportunity to learn and have fun.
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07/06/2005 12:38:44 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by papa:
I think we need to re-examine why this site exists! I thought that it was a place where photographers could gather and show their images. Just for fun, we have competitions. |
I'm not sure this is correct. The name of the site is "Digital Photography Challenge" (DPChallenge) and it seems to be specifically constructed around the idea of themed competitions. Of course, I wasn't here when it was founded...
I doubt that there's any practical (and fair) way to limit the number of entries. The creation of more challenges and allowing an individual to enter only one of them is just gonna spread the same number of entries around in more categories; the number of views required to see them all will still be the same.
Two-tiered voting IMO shows great promise, though. It could be as simple as "keep it / toss it" in the screening process. This would have the effect of rapidly weeding out, early on, images that have no chance of ribboning, and the side benefit, as it were, of keeping real "why did I enter that" clunkers from dragging down your average. Any image with more "keep it" votes than "toss it" votes would make the final stage.
Such an approach would even provide two tiers of goals to shoot for: as it stands now, people establish those for themselves "I want to break 5.0", "I want a top-20 finish", "I want a ribbon", etc. Add to this the goal: "I want to consistently make the finalists group". Once you've done that, you get to work on scoring.
Seems doable to me.
Robt.
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07/06/2005 12:39:49 PM · #95 |
| Hey, maybe we should have a "basics" challenge where if your average is below 5, you can enter, and if your average is above 5 you can comment and or vote. Something like that. I like the mentoring idea. It has merit to those that want to learn. |
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07/06/2005 12:41:48 PM · #96 |
Well said C'Anne. (chesire)
A mentoring system has been suggested before and is a great idea. The challenge is to get people to step up to the plate to participate and stay there.
My average is around 5 but would be willing to participate in small groups for this purpose. By small I mean 5 or 6.
Message edited by author 2005-07-06 12:42:36.
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07/06/2005 12:42:37 PM · #97 |
My 2 ideas:
#1 - Implement code that would automatically disqualify an entry if the submitter doesn't vote on at least, say, 33% of the entries. Current code to check for voting validity (not all 1's, etc.) remains in effect. Entries cut due to non-voting do not count against the voting percentages of the people who happened to vote for it. This would cut down on the number of entries being scored, and should increase the "I Care" factor - people interested enough to RECEIVE a vote would be forced to be interested enough to GIVE them.
#2 - Create ONE MORE "Members Only" challenge. Allow an individual to enter in only 2 of the 3 challenges. This would do 2 things: (1) reduce the # of entries in a challenge by 1/3 or more, and; (2) entice non-members to become members (after all, they would only be able to participate in 1/3 of the site challenges, vice the current 1/2).
All has probably been said before, but I couldn't force myself thru 4 pages of posts to find out ;-) |
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07/06/2005 12:44:39 PM · #98 |
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I LOVE THE MENTORING IDEA!!!
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07/06/2005 12:47:02 PM · #99 |
Those are two good ideas to consider (from aboutimage). Here are some cons.
For 1: Some people don't vote on the challenges they enter for whatever reason. They choose to vote and comment on the challenges they don't enter. I don't think we want to discourage this.
For 2: I can't think of any right now.
Message edited by author 2005-07-06 12:47:22.
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07/06/2005 12:53:49 PM · #100 |
Larger challenges are not a problem if the average person votes on 20-50% of the entries -- scores change little once there's 150-200 votes entered.
What DOES matter is people attempting to defeat the random voting presentation by "cherry-picking" photos to vote on via the thumbnails page, which gives some photos an unfair advantage and more votes. If people would follow the random list, then its likely that all the photos would get a fair chance. |
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