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07/04/2005 12:56:46 PM · #1 |
I got lots of comments like this:
"It is not a macro" - okay may be this true, but the details is:
"It's been a while! Get up close and personal with the subject of your choice. You need not specifically use your macro feature, but your image should be a close-up shot."
I did not use a macro lens but I used a close-up shot - so please accept my pic! |
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07/04/2005 01:01:45 PM · #2 |
this is an example, AGAIN, where the language of the challenge needs to be strengthened with the SC, and the Admin..
the title says Macro, but the challenge discription says a whole differant thing.
Come on SC and Administrator's, let do a little editing in the discriptions to make these challenges so much stronger, and stop the stupidity.
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07/04/2005 01:11:08 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by swinging_johnson_v1:
this is an example, AGAIN, where the language of the challenge needs to be strengthened with the SC, and the Admin..
the title says Macro, but the challenge discription says a whole differant thing.
Come on SC and Administrator's, let do a little editing in the discriptions to make these challenges so much stronger, and stop the stupidity. |
We just can't win. The description's intent was to be inclusive, so that those who don't specifically have a macro lens, or whose cameras are not that capable with regard to macro performance, could still participate. Would you rather we had specifically stated that magnification must be 1:1 or higher (the technical defintion of macro)?
Users should be aware that if their photo includes more than a few inches of subject, it will likely not be regarded by the voters as a macro/close-up. Including a larger field of view is therefore known risk.
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07/04/2005 01:11:12 PM · #4 |
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07/04/2005 01:17:50 PM · #5 |
no matter how clear a description there will always be a handful of people that misinterpret it.
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07/04/2005 01:23:27 PM · #6 |
I reckon no matter what the challenge description says, there will always be voters with blinkers on, with straight-forward perspectives on things, with little thought that others might have other ideas around and about the chosen themes for that week.
In other words, I reckon the problem isn't with the SC and the challenge descriptions they post up. It's rather with us, some of whom choose to be literal and conservative in the way we see the images presented in this site, and to not make the effort to see how alternative viewpoints might fit into the communities we choose to belong to.
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07/04/2005 01:23:52 PM · #7 |
I'm a slow typer so there will be a few posts before this is finished. I think this is a ringer type challenge. If you had been here long enough, you would know "only" true macros will score well. That's because you probably entered a closeup and had been slapped in a previous challenge. So all these poor new people read the description and think they can get by, while all the people with the right equipment know they will get a good score just because they can get a "true" macro.
Maybe it's time to stop with the extra wording on the challenges. It seems that most of the time the theme and description are at odds to each other and people get shot down for no reason other than "voters" not reading the sentence that goes with the name of the challenge. Or sometimes it's the reverse. People read the sentence and ignore the theme. It does get frustrating. |
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07/04/2005 01:34:15 PM · #8 |
Yep, the rules said "Get up close and personal with the subject of your choice.",
So, for all those "straight-forward-perspectives-on-things" people (well said rgo) here is the results of the Agfa international photo award for close-ups and macros:
//www.agfaphoto.com/en-GB/photography/awards/agfaphoto-award/index.html
And don't you forget that Jurors were profesional photographers from all around the world. |
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07/04/2005 01:36:57 PM · #9 |
| Personally, took the broadest definition of Macro when voting, although I don't think that a 'closeup' of the Washington Monument would count as a macro ;) |
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07/04/2005 01:38:48 PM · #10 |
Oh my, so that's what a Macro is! Now I'm going to have to go back and re-score all the shots I gave a 1 for not being a photo of Macaroni.
:-(
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07/04/2005 01:44:24 PM · #11 |
I have voted on all and commented on 10% so far. My thoughts were that every image met the challenge. I can't see a sub 4 score here, but different strokes...
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07/04/2005 01:53:54 PM · #12 |
I hear alot of complaining, and I guess thats fine. But for my moment on the post I would just like extend my gratitude to the administrators for such an awesome web site.
-For the rest I would just like to say inserting photos is at your own risk, you need to assess the risk of how the voters will accept your photo before submitting. It is very much in itself a technique, and graded as such. GL, and thank you for the opportunity to post my very first advanced photo this round. (though not very advanced, lol) |
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07/04/2005 02:17:04 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by longlivenyhc:
no matter how clear a description there will always be a handful of people that misinterpret it. |
At a place as diverse as DPC - I wonder how many different languages and cultures are represented - we should all expect that there will be different interpretations no matter what the wording and celebrate that we have this opportunity to be exposed to the different interpretations!!! |
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07/04/2005 02:22:21 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by sacredspirit:
I hear alot of complaining, and I guess thats fine. But for my moment on the post I would just like extend my gratitude to the administrators for such an awesome web site. |
Agreed...this is a great webpage with lots and lots of diversity, which is part of it's greatness.
Although there are many shots that are more of a close-up than a macro, there are some really outstanding shots in this challenge. Given the idea that this challenge was something meant for everyone, and not just those with macro lens, this is one of the better challenges we've had in a while, IMHO!
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07/04/2005 02:45:57 PM · #15 |
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I totally agree. I took into consideration that not everybody has a $500+ camera, and they were doing what they could to meet the challenge criteria. Judy |
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07/04/2005 02:59:58 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
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I'd say there is a bit of a problem on both ends. I see some descriptions that I feel could be clearer. If the author of the challenges were to make things crystal clear, I believe it would open thing up more instead of giving the narrower thinkers room to read limits into their interpretation. I've seen threads where voters are explaing how they view challenges with the most bizarre logic imaginable due to vague language in the description.
Having said that, I do think they were pretty clear in stating that you don't need a macro lens or feature for the challenge.
I don't know...maybe a DPC Dictionary? Wha doo dey mean by dat?
Message edited by author 2005-07-04 15:02:02.
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07/04/2005 03:42:42 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by sacredspirit:
-For the rest I would just like to say inserting photos is at your own risk, you need to assess the risk of how the voters will accept your photo before submitting. |
Yep, gotta agree with that comment. I did my first entry into Macro, and it was a closeup (not a macro). The voters are absolutely trashing it, as I kind of expected. I shall not blame this on the voters or the wording of the contest. Rather, I will blame it on myself for not posting something a little closer to what I knew the voters would be expecting. Like it was said in an earlier comment, there is some level of skill in choosing something appropriate for a theme. My photo is really good, it just doesn't fit within the constraints of "macro" enough to satisfy.
Message edited by author 2005-07-04 15:44:08. |
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07/04/2005 03:56:46 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by ramevi:
Yep, the rules said "Get up close and personal with the subject of your choice.",
So, for all those "straight-forward-perspectives-on-things" people (well said rgo) here is the results of the Agfa international photo award for close-ups and macros:
//www.agfaphoto.com/en-GB/photography/awards/agfaphoto-award/index.html
And don't you forget that Jurors were profesional photographers from all around the world. |
take a good look at that 3rd place winner. can you see it scoring even remotely well here at DPC? not a chance! i can imagine the comments it would receive..."out of focus...1"..."need more DOF...1".
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07/05/2005 06:41:53 AM · #19 |
DPC, as I see it, is far more of a technical site or at least a place that leans towards clearly tangible photographic technique. More so, than it is and artistic site, by a long shot.
In that sense, it has it's place and does well as such but leaves a lot to be desired artistically.
Very often the two meet, when all aspects are well done, so there's some light but it's tough to be an artist...always was, always will be.
I'm here to get better technically and I think I am. So that's my pocket. If I think I can pull off an artsy shot that meets the voters tech standards, at the same time...I'll go for it but it could pay low dividends.
Message edited by author 2005-07-05 07:10:46.
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