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06/28/2005 02:29:43 PM · #1 |
With every open challenge getting 400-500 entries, but not as many votes, how about making it a requirement to have a decent votes cast / votes received ratio in order to enter open challenges?
I haven't read the ToS, but if its an issue, maybe exempt paying members from this rule.
Thoughts?
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06/28/2005 02:33:16 PM · #2 |
Why? What's the goal of this new proposal?
After the first 100 votes I can predict within hundredths of a point what my final score will be...rarely off. What is the benefit to me to get more votes? |
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06/28/2005 02:38:23 PM · #3 |
KaDi's right...your score my fluxuate up and down a few 10ths of a point at the very most, but once you've reached 100, you pretty much know what your final score will be. I'd even go so far as to say after the first 60 or 70 votes!
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06/28/2005 02:40:53 PM · #4 |
I think the suggestion is to make sure that people vote on challenges and don't just submit. This could possibly reduce the no. of entries and people will take time to vote if they want to submit to the next challenge.
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06/28/2005 02:42:06 PM · #5 |
... OR we can have an invitational challenge for people who have voted more than they have received :)
Message edited by author 2005-06-28 14:42:22. |
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06/28/2005 02:43:00 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by ClickNSee:
KaDi's right...your score my fluxuate up and down a few 10ths of a point at the very most, but once you've reached 100, you pretty much know what your final score will be. I'd even go so far as to say after the first 60 or 70 votes! |
Not quitea rule! My entry to metal has been flutuating after the first 100 votes...went from a high 5 to a low 6, then to a high 4 and then back at high 5! Over a full point diff...
I guess it was a "bad luck" tide, then "a good luck" one right after it! |
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06/28/2005 02:43:08 PM · #7 |
I still think they should limit open challenges to the first 300 (or some reasonable number) entries. Seems like a perfect solution ????????
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06/28/2005 02:45:07 PM · #8 |
The distribution of votes becomes evident after a few dozen votes have been cast -- anything beyond that just increases precision and quickly becomes more precise than is warranted.
The challenges are what this site uses to help photographers get better at taking photographs. A large number of votes is not needed and doesn't help in this goal -- but a large number of comments just might. ;)
Focus on the comments -- the votes will take care of themselves.
David
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06/28/2005 02:46:43 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by SandyP:
I still think they should limit open challenges to the first 300 (or some reasonable number) entries. Seems like a perfect solution ???????? |
a big NO. I will always submit a crappy photo in the first 5mins to reserve my seat :P |
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06/28/2005 02:47:31 PM · #10 |
I'm not sure limits are a good idea. That is what has made this page so damn good, is all the participation, all the different views, and all the great places to learn from. Limits might not be the answer to the problems you are concerned about. Maybe some type of reward for past voting. I'm not sure, but I don't like the idea of limiting the number of entries, even though the voting is getting tougher and more time consuming with each passing challenge.
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06/28/2005 02:49:36 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by SandyP:
I still think they should limit open challenges to the first 300 (or some reasonable number) entries. Seems like a perfect solution ???????? |
Oh cmon, we have a full week to vote, and plus, most of us spend a whole great deal of time on DPC, y not spend it on the challenges, and not only on the forums!?
This whole thing sounds like we're getting "lazy", not wanting to check the work of our friends! And that also is bad for us all, cz mine, or your picture is also involved!
It's easier for every single1 of us to "re-educate" ourselves on how we spend our time on DPC, than simply putting a limit to the number of entries! What if YOU were left behind, having a GREAT shot, but the pre-determined number of entries was already reached!? Not a great feeling huh!
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06/28/2005 02:50:38 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by gaurawa:
I think the suggestion is to make sure that people vote on challenges and don't just submit. This could possibly reduce the no. of entries and people will take time to vote if they want to submit to the next challenge. |
Yep, that's exactly what the suggestion was for.
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06/28/2005 02:51:29 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by scuds:
Originally posted by ClickNSee:
KaDi's right...your score my fluxuate up and down a few 10ths of a point at the very most, but once you've reached 100, you pretty much know what your final score will be. I'd even go so far as to say after the first 60 or 70 votes! |
Not quitea rule! My entry to metal has been flutuating after the first 100 votes...went from a high 5 to a low 6, then to a high 4 and then back at high 5! Over a full point diff...
I guess it was a "bad luck" tide, then "a good luck" one right after it! |
The gentle swaying of the tide or surf building waves crashing in and receeding -- both follow the same general pattern and both go out in proportion to what came in.
The same is true of the tide of votes -- huge tidal waves of votes are not needed to feel the movement of the waves. It just looks more impressive. :p
David
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06/28/2005 02:51:41 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by ClickNSee:
Limits might not be the answer to the problems you are concerned about |
We are way too limited, not the website!
Ppl always want to change the system, it's been like that for ages! |
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06/28/2005 02:53:57 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by vfwlkr:
With every open challenge getting 400-500 entries, but not as many votes, how about making it a requirement to have a decent votes cast / votes received ratio in order to enter open challenges?
I haven't read the ToS, but if its an issue, maybe exempt paying members from this rule.
Thoughts? |
I think it sounds like a good idea. Personally, I think it's just common courtesy to vote on any challenge you enter. Why would you expect people to vote on yours if you're not willing to do the same in return? Now commenting would be even better, but we all know that this isn't a perfect world. :-) This could possibly help lower the numbers on open challenges and get more people involved in the voting process.
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06/28/2005 03:03:18 PM · #16 |
Here is a suggestion......
Your challenge entry is deleted at the end of voting, unless you have voted 20%.
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06/28/2005 03:04:11 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Here is a suggestion......
Your challenge entry is deleted at the end of voting, unless you have voted 20%. |
that's cruel :P |
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06/28/2005 03:05:15 PM · #18 |
Cool...vote up to 19%, wait for the last day of voting, if score sucks, don't finish the 20%...if score is ok, get the 20% in. ;^)
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Here is a suggestion......
Your challenge entry is deleted at the end of voting, unless you have voted 20%. |
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06/28/2005 03:06:45 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Cool...vote up to 19%, wait for the last day of voting, if score sucks, don't finish the 20%...if score is ok, get the 20% in. ;^) |
That's clever |
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06/28/2005 03:10:03 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Cool...vote up to 19%, wait for the last day of voting, if score sucks, don't finish the 20%...if score is ok, get the 20% in. ;^)
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Here is a suggestion......
Your challenge entry is deleted at the end of voting, unless you have voted 20%. |
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You see, there's always a need for ppl to go "around" the rules.
They are there to maintain the order. It's like always driving above the speed limit, you'll get to places faster, but one day or another, you'll get a ticket! Cappici?? |
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06/28/2005 03:11:50 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Cool...vote up to 19%, wait for the last day of voting, if score sucks, don't finish the 20%...if score is ok, get the 20% in. ;^)
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Here is a suggestion......
Your challenge entry is deleted at the end of voting, unless you have voted 20%. |
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excellent idea.... that would eliminate a lot of rubbish.
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06/28/2005 03:19:51 PM · #22 |
Any proposal based on votes made/received is impractical to impliment, because the ratio is so meaningless.
Let's say there's a special challenge, and there's only 88 entries. I can cast exactly 87 votes. However, my original, controversial, and spectactularly-executed entry (remember, this is a hypothetical example) has attracted so much attention and buzz throughout the DPC community that fully 50% of the registered users cast votes. I've now received about 15,000 votes compared to my 87 cast, a rather poor ratio.
Although this is an admittedly extreme example, I think the basic principle still holds: that comparing any two members' votes made/received ratio is meaningless. |
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06/28/2005 03:33:02 PM · #23 |
Well - kinda, but you'd still have to look at it for 6 1/2 days. ;^)
Originally posted by undieyatch:
excellent idea.... that would eliminate a lot of rubbish. |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Cool...vote up to 19%, wait for the last day of voting, if score sucks, don't finish the 20%...if score is ok, get the 20% in. ;^)
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Here is a suggestion......
Your challenge entry is deleted at the end of voting, unless you have voted 20%. |
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06/28/2005 03:34:04 PM · #24 |
I think it's about how much you give and how much you take.
Not just the challenges, but there are people who would start a thread and post images from their shoots in the forums, asking for comments and not even bother looking at what others are doing. All they check is what others have to say about their work. Mostly all the nice things. Lack of respect. me me me me me me me
I think it's got a lot to do with the spirit of DPC community. |
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06/28/2005 03:40:05 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by ClickNSee:
KaDi's right...your score may fluctuate up and down a few 10ths of a point at the very most, but once you've reached 100, you pretty much know what your final score will be. I'd even go so far as to say after the first 60 or 70 votes! |
I don't agree and my Fantasy challenge is a good example. It sat at around 5.2 after 100 votes (written here on my blotter) but it ended up with a 6.3.
Message edited by author 2005-06-28 15:45:53. |
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