Viewing a challenge after your first voting.

06/23/2005 09:03:00 PM · #1

First, let me explain how I vote:

On the initial vote, I give 4s mostly for not meeting the challege and bad pictures, I give 5s for meeting the challenge and OK pictures, and finally I give 6s to WOW pictures that are meeting the challege.

My problem happens after that initial round. On the second round I reclassify all the 6s. I take the best ones from this lot and give them scores between 6 and 10, I do the same with the 4s and give some of them some 3s and 2s. Finally I go back to the 5s and double check if I did not miss some potential strong pictures.

I like the initial voting because when you score a picture you go immediately to the next one. On the second voting session, when you vote you are brought back to the full listing of the challenge, and you have to search the thumbnails for pictures that you want to have a second look.

It's not easy to explain in english but i hope you understand. IMO, it would be nice to be able to select all the 6s I initially gave and go throught them the same way I did in the initial voting.

If somebody found a better way to pre-classify the pics and then vote, please let me know how you do it.

06/23/2005 09:06:42 PM · #2

sounds like you have alot of time to waste.

06/23/2005 09:08:38 PM · #3

Originally posted by queanbeez:

sounds like you have alot of time to waste.

WOW, what an answer. thanks for the tip.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

06/23/2005 09:11:10 PM · #4

heres a tip. vote once, than you dont have too sort or start a thread about it.

Originally posted by Alain_cdn:

Originally posted by queanbeez:
sounds like you have alot of time to waste.

WOW, what an answer. thanks for the tip.

Balko

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

06/23/2005 09:11:34 PM · #5

I think you have to go through the voting process in a way that works for you. I look forward to the final stage where I can compare shots and I also bump up my favs.

letenele

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

06/23/2005 09:12:35 PM · #6

I may not understand exactly what you want, but have you tried going to the last page of the challenge you're in and looking where it says "photographs I've rated 10" etc? All you have to do is click on a different number under the thumbnail to assign it a new vote.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

06/23/2005 09:15:10 PM · #7

My scoring is different but technique somewhat the same (see profile for voting description). I see your point and have often thought something similar. It would be nice, after initial vote, to be able to go through a specific vote category at a time or at least have the option to. I find it takes much more time than necessary when you have to go back and reload the same page full of thumbs between every pic. This makes sense. Good suggestion.

David.C

06/23/2005 09:15:10 PM · #8

Is there a reason you feel the need to preclassify?

As I see it there is no compelling reason to rate the images as they stand compared to the other images in the challenge, and likewise no reason to stress about voting on every image. There is no right or wrong way to vote, but it seems you may be better served if you take the time to evaluate each image as it comes up the first time -- then, if you finish them all, go back thru by thumbs.

That said, it is an often requested feature to be able to go to the next (and previous) images by vote given -- not to mention in the challenge results and portfolios as well. Until such a feature is available though I don't see an easy way to pre-classify.

David

06/23/2005 09:17:01 PM · #9

[quote=queanbeez] heres a tip. vote once, than you dont have too sort or start a thread about it.

Double WOW. You are so helpfull tonight. Next time, instead of starting a stupid tread, I will PM you and seek your advise.

06/23/2005 09:17:40 PM · #10

Originally posted by letenele:

So you vote or refine your vote by looking at thumbs? There are a lot of pics - most in fact - that thumbs do no justice. Are you saying that you can remember the fine details/nuances of every entry in a challenge after one look so well that you can judge them further by a small thumbnail?

06/23/2005 09:18:04 PM · #11

excellent, i am a great therapist.

Originally posted by Alain_cdn:

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

06/23/2005 09:20:44 PM · #12

Originally posted by letenele:

Yes I know about that, but I don't want to vote on thumbs, I want to look again at the full pic. When you do that, you have to go back to the thumbs and find the ones you want to review.

deapee

Kodak V803

06/23/2005 09:20:56 PM · #13

That's not a good way to vote for many reasons. Why would you give a 6 to images that "WOW" you? For one thing -- the way you vote sounds like you're voting on a curve, if you will...basing the votes you give on the others you've seen in that challenge, or have seen recently, at least. You should vote each photo individually for that reason as well as because if you never get around to fully going through all images more than once, now you've left some "WOW" images at 6 but maybe bumped some of your original 5's up to 7's or 8's.

That just doesn't sound fair to me. You cannot say you ALWAYS have the time to go through twice...because nobody in their right mind is going to go through 500 entries twice...that's just ridiculous, redundant, and repetitious ;)

Olympus 50mm f/1.8 MF Normal Zuiko

06/23/2005 09:25:07 PM · #14

Originally posted by Alienyst:

Chris,

You got exactly what I was trying to explain, thanks. I was already thinking about asking Site Council to stop this tread.

emorgan49

Olympus E-5

06/23/2005 09:27:34 PM · #15

I like the sugggestion. I think a lot of people vote by preclassifying and going back to refine their votes. Being able to go through them in a sorted order would sure be nice.

06/23/2005 09:28:02 PM · #16

sounds like johnny cochran, lmfao!

Originally posted by deapee:

...that's just ridiculous, redundant, and repetitious ;)

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

06/23/2005 09:30:33 PM · #17

Originally posted by deapee:

You cannot say you ALWAYS have the time to go through twice...because nobody in their right mind is going to go through 500 entries twice...that's just ridiculous, redundant, and repetitious ;)

Disregarding the rest of your post, I will focus on this part. Everyone votes differently, I know. But those of us, like me, who have chosen a certain way of voting can say they will always go back and refine. The current challenge of metal, I have voted on every image, but I have looked at each full size at least three times. I will go back and look at a good percentage again and perhaps again and each time I may change my vote or comment. Why? Because you just can't get enough information from a thumbnail - no matter how big and because you just cannot get enough information from one view. BUT - that is my opinion.

As for the style - Preclassifying is a good way to refine your challenge understanding and point of view as well as a good way to be consistent in your voting habits. You may not like it. It may not work for you. But it is a good way to help you keep focused on the criteria as you see it. Which we all know we each see the criteria differently. Why bash someone for their preferences? Do you feel threatened?

Arcanist

Nikon D810

06/23/2005 09:33:27 PM · #18

Originally posted by Alain_cdn:

Originally posted by Alienyst:
My scoring is different but technique somewhat the same (see profile for voting description). I see your point and have often thought something similar. It would be nice, after initial vote, to be able to go through a specific vote category at a time or at least have the option to. I find it takes much more time than necessary when you have to go back and reload the same page full of thumbs between every pic. This makes sense. Good suggestion.

Chris,

You got exactly what I was trying to explain, thanks. I was already thinking about asking Site Council to stop this tread.

Uh, yup, that's about how I do it too. I don't vote on a curve, the pre-sort allows me to quickly decide the images that become benchmarks in the challenge. They also give me a first quick glance to look at everything and start really thinking about what was important in the challenge and the submissions.

The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and maybe even 5th rounds of resorting is to more deeply evaluate the images compared to others in the challenges and decide side by side, what is better.

When this is done, I go back to the last page, start commenting on the lowest scores, so that those who received a low score from me have at least one comment that indicates why they got 'a troll vote'. During commenting I may see something I missed the first few times and up or down the score. It took me 4 days of solid dedication in the last challenge I voted and commented on to get finished. I felt it was worth it as I learned a lot and now ponder those same things when taking my own shots.

Bottom Line: I like the suggestion from Alain. It would help me to go through my process without having to reclick and click again so many times.

love

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

06/23/2005 09:34:01 PM · #19

I go through once and vote with my eye, my gut, my first reaction, it's the one that's 99% right...if I happen to get click happy and accidently hit the wrong number, I go back and correct.

06/23/2005 09:36:17 PM · #20

Originally posted by deapee:

Well I give up, I did think that I had a good idea, but forget it. if you think that going throught the pics only once is better and not being unfair it's OK. I don't think that I'm unfair, my top 25 normally finish very well in the challenge, i don't always pick the ribbons, but they are close. My low scores mostly finish with... low scores overall.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

06/23/2005 09:45:12 PM · #21

Originally posted by Alain_cdn:

See PM I just sent. It is a good idea - but only to those who vote in a like or similar fashion. I see more than just me in the thread agreeing with you. So we are a minority. Not the first time I have been in that group. Don't let a suggestion someone else doesn't like change your attitude. Hey - I got told I had a manky finger in a comment. I still entered the challenges that followed. I just didn't shoot my finger. My finger did the shooting.

deapee

Kodak V803

06/23/2005 09:46:36 PM · #22

Originally posted by Alienyst:

Why bash someone for their preferences? Do you feel threatened?

Bash someone for their preferences? Who did I bash and what preference was it based on? I stated my opinion on the subject. Sorry if you don't understand that these forums are for discussing subject matter. Clearly not everyone in the entire world is going to agree with everything you think or every idea that you may or may not have. If that were the case, this would be a borring world. In any event, saying that I'm 'bashing' someone for sharing my opinion is preposterous.

Secondly, I do not feel threatened. I could care less what my 'dpchallenge' score is. It's people like you that make this site a task to visit.

06/23/2005 09:53:10 PM · #23

Originally posted by Arcanist:

Originally posted by Alain_cdn:

Originally posted by Alienyst:
My scoring is different but technique somewhat the same (see profile for voting description). I see your point and have often thought something similar. It would be nice, after initial vote, to be able to go through a specific vote category at a time or at least have the option to. I find it takes much more time than necessary when you have to go back and reload the same page full of thumbs between every pic. This makes sense. Good suggestion.

Chris,

You got exactly what I was trying to explain, thanks. I was already thinking about asking Site Council to stop this tread.

Uh, yup, that's about how I do it too. I don't vote on a curve, the pre-sort allows me to quickly decide the images that become benchmarks in the challenge. They also give me a first quick glance to look at everything and start really thinking about what was important in the challenge and the submissions.

The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and maybe even 5th rounds of resorting is to more deeply evaluate the images compared to others in the challenges and decide side by side, what is better.

When this is done, I go back to the last page, start commenting on the lowest scores, so that those who received a low score from me have at least one comment that indicates why they got 'a troll vote'. During commenting I may see something I missed the first few times and up or down the score. It took me 4 days of solid dedication in the last challenge I voted and commented on to get finished. I felt it was worth it as I learned a lot and now ponder those same things when taking my own shots.

Bottom Line: I like the suggestion from Alain. It would help me to go through my process without having to reclick and click again so many times.

JD,

Thanks, your way of voting is very close to mine. Being told that this is unfair really buged me. I think that this site is one of the best one that is on the WEB, i wish i could participate more in the forums, but English not being my mother tongue makes it difficult. It takes me so long to give a small answer that often I just read and by the time i want to post it's too late, the tread has gone a different way.

Alain