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06/10/2005 08:15:08 AM · #26 |
As a non-US based DPCer i find the thought of changing the day to suite US preferences slightly worrying. We in the rest of the world have to deal with strange days and times as it is. Just work around it, we do.
Yes I know DPC is a US based site, and the community is overwhelmingly US, and I know I'm going to cause some irritation by making this statement, but come on guys DPC is global. You can't change things to suite just part of the community.
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06/10/2005 08:15:14 AM · #27 |
| I would be in favor of a Monday/Wednesday or a Tuesday/Thursday change. I agree about the potential for lower votes early on (refer to rgo's comment) and would love to have an extra weekday for editing. I haven't entered that many challenges, but I've had several occasions that prevented me from enough time to edit/enter before a submission deadline. |
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06/10/2005 08:24:33 AM · #28 |
Why dont' we just put it to a poll? Democracy works, ain't it?
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06/10/2005 08:52:37 AM · #29 |
One small point:
D&L put in a lot of work on the site.
Maybe it's not convenient for them on other days and
they have jobs in addition to DPC.
:)
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06/10/2005 08:58:44 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by rgo:
Democracy works, ain't it? |
This isn't a democracy. Even if 99% of the members thought the dates should change, D&L might decide that THEIR work is easier on the current dates. I see no compelling reason to change them. Free Studies and Speed Challenges often fall on odd days, and I haven't heard many complaints about those. I travel quite a bit, and if I want to shoot for a challenge, then I plan for the time difference and go shoot it. If I'm interested enough, then I'll MAKE the time.
No matter where the deadlines fall, some people will be inconvenienced while another part of the world gets an extra fews hours. If you must edit on a weekday, then the Open challenges give you that opportunity. |
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06/10/2005 09:29:47 AM · #31 |
... never mind
Message edited by author 2005-06-10 11:04:06. |
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06/10/2005 10:02:49 AM · #32 |
| Someone in some time zone will always consider themselves at a disadvantage regardless of the submission deadline. |
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06/10/2005 10:03:10 AM · #33 |
this has to be one of the most rediculous threads...it's a CHALLENGE for God's sake..meaning you are challenged to get it in on time..no matter what time that is
oy vey!
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06/10/2005 10:46:14 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by fulgent:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Seriously though.. we all have the same amount of time to enter challenges. ...... If you're going on a trip *specifically* to shoot for a challenge.. well, just get home an hour or two before the challenge starts.. how hard is it to get home by 10pm on a Sunday evening? Most people work on Monday mornings anyway (not counting specific holidays). A couple of hours is plenty of time to work on a shot.
It just floors me that there's always *something* that NEEDS to be changed around here.. when really, if you just sit down and think about it.. nothing really does.. tweaks here and there.. additions (like the profiles), are always nice.. but we've been running this challenge method for a very long time, and I've never seen an outrageous amount of bitching about it before.
Yes, good points have been raised, but when you really think about it.. they're really just cosmetic in nature. Nothing serious. I go away a lot of weekends myself.. but I still don't see a need to change things. |
Easy for you to say Artyste. I looked at your images that maybe were shot out of town and only found one in White Rock, B.C.
I believe that your personal interest have more to do with this. You don't even care for landscapes:
Originally posted by Artyste:
As much as I despise shooting landscapes, (and the fact that they are over-loved on DPC), I love to see one that is a little bit different, ..... |
Your portfolio says your interests are People, Urban Shots, Studio Shots and occasion Wildlife shots (you have your own wildlife park in your home town too).
If you really want to see "a little bit different" landscapes then why make it difficult for us that like landscape and travel photos to find them for you and enter them into the challenges.
My primary interest is landscape, travel, nature and wildlife photography. And I would like to enter challenges reflecting my interests just as you get too. Not just quick studio shots just for the sake of having something to enter.
When I go on a shooting weekend I use a 4gb card and spares. I may have over 500 images. It may take me 3 hours to download the card to the computer. Then pick the best shots, then edit them.
Also in California the deadline is 9pm. Yosemite 5-7 hours from L.A. area. Same for Death Valley. I would need to start home Sunday morning just to make the deadline for a challenge. Well if I travel 300-400 miles I want to maximize my weekend trip.
Changing the deadline day IS JUST A TWEAK. I'm just suggesting changing the day. Not the time, not changing the method, not changing anything else.
If you really feel it's just a cosmetic change then don't blow it up to a big problem. |
Changing submission dates is hardly "just a tweak".. especially for Drew and Langdon, it's a major thing.
As for preferences of what to shoot, it doesn't make a difference at all. How often does the challenge correspond to when you are taking a vacation? I'd say hardly at all. Don't tell me to make something a huge issue when you're doing the exact same thing.
As for the time zones, yes, I forgot about that.. but I live in western time zone myself, and still only find it once in a blue moon that I'm missing a deadline.. and you know what? So I miss it. *shrug*. These are fun challenges with virtual ribbons.. If one must miss submitting that nice desert sunset or italian coast shot because, pete forbid, the world doesn't work in *your* favor.. well..
Message edited by author 2005-06-10 10:47:38.
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06/10/2005 02:51:09 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Changing submission dates is hardly "just a tweak".. especially for Drew and Langdon, it's a major thing.
As for preferences of what to shoot, it doesn't make a difference at all. How often does the challenge correspond to when you are taking a vacation? I'd say hardly at all. Don't tell me to make something a huge issue when you're doing the exact same thing.
As for the time zones, yes, I forgot about that.. but I live in western time zone myself, and still only find it once in a blue moon that I'm missing a deadline.. and you know what? So I miss it. *shrug*. These are fun challenges with virtual ribbons.. If one must miss submitting that nice desert sunset or italian coast shot because, pete forbid, the world doesn't work in *your* favor.. well.. |
Looks like a whole lot of trying to fool somebody.
It takes the same amount of work to change the weekly programing deadline no matter what day is selected. The computer does the vote counting, not D & L. All the other chores apply everyday to the challenges anyway.
How about letting D & L talk for themselves. Is it a major thing to change the day?
Of course your personal photo preferences make a difference. That's the beauty of the challenge. You get all these different interpretations of what a great shot looks like for the challenge topic.
I'm not talking about vacations, I'm talking of weekend trips that could be done 52 times a year, every time there is a challenge.
It appears to me that you miss a deadline "once in a blue moon" because (as I pointed out before) you rarely shoot outside your home town. And your favorite subject matter can be shot any day of the week anywhere.
Landscapes don't come to you, you have to go to them.
Everyone tries to make the world fit their lifestyle, that's life. I believe that there are more members that would gain from a deadline change than would lose by the change. |
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06/10/2005 03:10:23 PM · #36 |
| i like the added pressure of having to balance a family weekend with getting in a shot, editing it, and submitting it. having one extra day to procrastinate wouldn't really help me ;-) |
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06/10/2005 03:40:29 PM · #37 |
| Flugent, just take a laptop and a kickass dish for some wireless internet, then as soon as you shoot your shots, edit them and beam them to the site from where ever you may be. Problem solved. =) |
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06/10/2005 04:18:05 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by bruski:
Flugent, just take a laptop and a kickass dish for some wireless internet, then as soon as you shoot your shots, edit them and beam them to the site from where ever you may be. Problem solved. =) |
And be SURE to have some cogent explanation for the wife and kids why you're sitting in the motel editing images for a virtual ribbon while they are out touring the geysers and hot springs on Sunday afternoon.
R.
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06/10/2005 05:36:15 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by fulgent:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Changing submission dates is hardly "just a tweak".. especially for Drew and Langdon, it's a major thing.
As for preferences of what to shoot, it doesn't make a difference at all. How often does the challenge correspond to when you are taking a vacation? I'd say hardly at all. Don't tell me to make something a huge issue when you're doing the exact same thing.
As for the time zones, yes, I forgot about that.. but I live in western time zone myself, and still only find it once in a blue moon that I'm missing a deadline.. and you know what? So I miss it. *shrug*. These are fun challenges with virtual ribbons.. If one must miss submitting that nice desert sunset or italian coast shot because, pete forbid, the world doesn't work in *your* favor.. well.. |
Looks like a whole lot of trying to fool somebody.
It takes the same amount of work to change the weekly programing deadline no matter what day is selected. The computer does the vote counting, not D & L. All the other chores apply everyday to the challenges anyway.
How about letting D & L talk for themselves. Is it a major thing to change the day?
Of course your personal photo preferences make a difference. That's the beauty of the challenge. You get all these different interpretations of what a great shot looks like for the challenge topic.
I'm not talking about vacations, I'm talking of weekend trips that could be done 52 times a year, every time there is a challenge.
It appears to me that you miss a deadline "once in a blue moon" because (as I pointed out before) you rarely shoot outside your home town. And your favorite subject matter can be shot any day of the week anywhere.
Landscapes don't come to you, you have to go to them.
Everyone tries to make the world fit their lifestyle, that's life. I believe that there are more members that would gain from a deadline change than would lose by the change. |
Who's trying to fool who?
I used to whine about the exact same thing.. "nothing to shoot in my town, it's all boring, There's nothing here." But eventually I simply started looking harder. I had to learn that the "poor me" syndrome didn't get me anywhere, and I am adjusting to fit the way the challenges are set up. That's what challenges are for.. to challenge you.
And yes, let Drew and Langdon have their say.. and if they and/or the SC decide to change submission dates, I'll go with it. If they don't, I'm happy with that... however, I'm far more content putting my energy into actually going out and shooting than I am trying to get the world around me to change for my own preferences... but this is starting to become almost like religion or politics.
So, for my final word I say.. Come what may, I'll adjust to changes if they happen, and I'll happily go with the status quo if they don't... but I have stuff to go photograph, so sayonara baby.
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06/10/2005 08:50:06 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
And yes, let Drew and Langdon have their say.. and if they and/or the SC decide to change submission dates, I'll go with it. If they don't, I'm happy with that... however, I'm far more content putting my energy into actually going out and shooting than I am trying to get the world around me to change for my own preferences...
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The world don't change for Landscape photographers, we need to adjust our schedules to it. But a studio photographer can change the world to suit there desires.
We can't go down to the supermarket or some other store and buy a prop to use in the studio and shoot any time 24 hours a day and make it look like it was shot in the dark during the day, etc.
We can't shoot a sunset anytime. Can't shoot a winter scene in the summer (in most cases). Can't call up a friend and have them bring the waterfall from the National Forest with them. We may need to check out many locations to get something suitable for a challenge entry.
Seems like a no brainer that landscape and travel photography requires more traveling which is easier on the weekend for most.
OR, since the challenges are getting so many entries now, perhaps there should be a new Advanced challenge added. Keep this one that favors indoor and local shots and create another that favors time sensitive and landscape type challenges. And you can only enter one of the two Advanced challenges per week.
This would spread the entries and voting to where people can vote on images more to their own tastes. People that don't like setup shots can vote on outdoor stuff and people who don't like landscapes can vote on indoor shot challenges.
I know this would really be a lot of work to set up a new challenge category. But the site maybe headed to that point anyway.
Site Council, how about a survey based on the questions and suggestions in this thread? |
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06/10/2005 10:03:23 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by fulgent:
Originally posted by Artyste:
And yes, let Drew and Langdon have their say.. and if they and/or the SC decide to change submission dates, I'll go with it. If they don't, I'm happy with that... however, I'm far more content putting my energy into actually going out and shooting than I am trying to get the world around me to change for my own preferences...
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The world don't change for Landscape photographers, we need to adjust our schedules to it. But a studio photographer can change the world to suit there desires.
We can't go down to the supermarket or some other store and buy a prop to use in the studio and shoot any time 24 hours a day and make it look like it was shot in the dark during the day, etc.
We can't shoot a sunset anytime. Can't shoot a winter scene in the summer (in most cases). Can't call up a friend and have them bring the waterfall from the National Forest with them. We may need to check out many locations to get something suitable for a challenge entry.
Seems like a no brainer that landscape and travel photography requires more traveling which is easier on the weekend for most.
OR, since the challenges are getting so many entries now, perhaps there should be a new Advanced challenge added. Keep this one that favors indoor and local shots and create another that favors time sensitive and landscape type challenges. And you can only enter one of the two Advanced challenges per week.
This would spread the entries and voting to where people can vote on images more to their own tastes. People that don't like setup shots can vote on outdoor stuff and people who don't like landscapes can vote on indoor shot challenges.
I know this would really be a lot of work to set up a new challenge category. But the site maybe headed to that point anyway.
Site Council, how about a survey based on the questions and suggestions in this thread? |
My entire *POINT* is, that maybe you should start opening your horizons and start shooting more and different kinds of things for challenges if you can't get a landscape/wildlife/travel photo into a challenge.
That's *exactly* what this site and these challenges are designed to do.. to get people out of specific focuses, and start playing around more.
Wow.. imagine that.
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06/10/2005 10:18:15 PM · #42 |
IMO the 'Web Site Suggestions' forum is to discuss 'changes'. If you don't want any changes in the site and don't like people asking for any change, I would recommend you start a new thread under 'Web site suggestions' to "Remove the web site suggestions section" :D
sorry, but I couldn't resist, after all its friday :P |
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06/10/2005 10:24:02 PM · #43 |
i vote for mon/wednesday though it doesnt really make a huge difference for me, if im going to enter a challenge then I usually find time to do so.
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06/10/2005 11:40:25 PM · #44 |
Ah yes, I missed out on Grand Canyon, White Sanes, Saguaro national park, and painted desert shots in a couple of contests because of the timing. But again, one persons bad timing is another persons great timing. I guess if a site wide consenses showed that a majority was in favor - it should fly.
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06/11/2005 07:40:34 AM · #45 |
This has been polled previously with minimal support to move challenge submission dates.
If we start to see a large, sustained push to move the dates we may consider repolling at that time. For now, we will keep an eye on this and take the idea under advisement. :)
Thanks for the suggestion!
Clara |
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