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06/06/2005 10:14:59 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by bcoble:
Keep the tread!
My photo is being hammered due to the perception of whether it meets the challenge. One of my best photo's I have entered so far, yet comments show either it very good or doesnt meet the challenge.
It appears to me that framing must consist of very simular items surrounding the subject. If the frame consists of trees that is ok. If the frame consists of water or sky thats ok. It it consists of a combination of items it is not ok. I am content with my entry and that is all that counts. I do like the critiques on the quality of the image. |
I prefer an image with a 'frame' of a tree or window or such. Those framed by the sea, susnet, grass/leaves/weeds are not wha i would call framed shots. BUT, i certainly understand the photographer that took them saw it that way, so i did not vote or comment on these as 'did not meet challenge'. Nor did i give them high scores...the old majority rule thing.
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06/06/2005 10:22:20 AM · #27 |
personally i don't have much of an issue with threads like these as long as they are not talking about specific images or small groups of images. that's when my trigger finger gets itchy :)
that being said, i think this kind of conversation is much more appropriate BEFORE voting begins, as in the other thread. |
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06/06/2005 10:22:46 AM · #28 |
Do any of you ever suffer from the physical sensation of surprise? Or is that always just a bad thing? Is it really necessary to have made your mind up what's going to count before you've looked at all the shots? Why not just wait, and make an assessment on what is presented to you?
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06/06/2005 10:28:09 AM · #29 |
A quick lesson in English should clear up this matte a bit.
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nat·u·ral·ly Audio pronunciation of "naturally" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nchr--l, nchr-)
adv.
1. In a natural manner.
2. By nature; inherently.
3. Without a doubt; surely.
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Naturally DOES NOT always mean a reference to "nature". So we can easily substitute some of the definitions to see how the sentence works:
"Take a photograph where the subject is In a natural manner framed in by its surroundings."
"Take a photograph where the subject is inherently framed in by its surroundings."
"Take a photograph where the subject is Without a doubt; surely framed in by its surroundings."
Now, please tell me after reading any of those if you believe ALL entries MUST be surrounded by nature?
Message edited by author 2005-06-06 13:54:08.
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06/06/2005 10:30:52 AM · #30 |
lol someones taking a beating.
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06/06/2005 10:37:26 AM · #31 |
Blah Blah Blah Blah. Self-proclaimed expert. Blah Balh Blah. I'm right dammit!! Blah Blah Blah. Your stuff is crap!
Moral of this story is...........Blah Blah Blah!!!! |
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06/06/2005 11:04:33 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Blah Blah Blah Blah. Self-proclaimed expert. Blah Balh Blah. I'm right dammit!! Blah Blah Blah. Your stuff is crap!
Moral of this story is...........Blah Blah Blah!!!! |
I love it LOL |
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06/06/2005 11:10:07 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
It would be nice to avoid another bitch session if possible. |
Amen brotha |
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06/06/2005 11:15:18 AM · #34 |
theres alot of great photos but in most of them i dont even see a frame of anything. I've also never seen half frames before, must be a new item.
Message edited by author 2005-06-06 11:17:56.
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06/06/2005 11:26:29 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
theres alot of great photos but in most of them i dont even see a frame of anything. I've also never seen half frames before, must be a new item. |
//photoinf.com/General/KODAK/guidelines_for_better_photographic_composition_framing.html |
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06/06/2005 11:29:33 AM · #36 |
I personally can't see how anyone would put "words in the mouth" of the challenge description to say it has to be "nature" framing the photo. This is one challenge that I feel is stated clearly: your subject is naturally framed by ITS SURROUNDINGS. There is no limit to the surroundings having to be nature! Jeeeeeeeez. . . .I wish 1/2 the emphasis to nitpicking about meeting the challenge would be applied to evaluating photos and giving constructive feedback to help each other get better at our craft!!!
Sorry. . . this is kind of a sore spot with me,
SandyP
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06/06/2005 12:47:41 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by SandyP:
I personally can't see how anyone would put "words in the mouth" of the challenge description to say it has to be "nature" framing the photo. This is one challenge that I feel is stated clearly: your subject is naturally framed by ITS SURROUNDINGS. There is no limit to the surroundings having to be nature! Jeeeeeeeez. . . .I wish 1/2 the emphasis to nitpicking about meeting the challenge would be applied to evaluating photos and giving constructive feedback to help each other get better at our craft!!!
Sorry. . . this is kind of a sore spot with me,
SandyP |
However, should one that uses nature be discounted as being framed?
That is the issue. Doesnt matter anyway this is just a game!
Message edited by author 2005-06-06 12:48:21. |
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06/06/2005 01:07:27 PM · #38 |
dude, your take on the challenge is prolly different than maybe everyone else. Naturally framed does not have to mean framed by nature. It could be a pic that is naturally framed by its environment, what ever that might be.
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06/06/2005 02:09:01 PM · #39 |
I've been in a few challenges now and the more I read the threads about/around them, the more I loose interest in further participation. This picking on details just makes me scratch my head and makes me wonder, where the hell creativity in the voter's mind has gone.
It says 'naturally framed by it's surroundings', it doesn't say you have to show the whole frame, it doesn't say it should be framed by nature alone (meaning bushes and branches), it simply says it should be framed somehow by something in its natural habitad that wasn't put there on purpose by the photographer.
I haven't seen all the entries yet, so I won't give examples here, because they might be among the submissions, but I think everybody can imagine what I'm talking about.
I read somewhere in this thread that one choosed for an entry that he/she thought would fulfill the wish of the voters best.
And that's what I mean by "killing creativity" and that's a shame, because there won't be much left if this picky-sticky business goes on (and I mean in general).
Just look around and you'll notice that almost everything is framed somehow by it's 'natural' surroundings. Some things more visible than others. And the challenge was to go, look and find those 'some things more'. That's all, i.m.o.
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06/06/2005 02:52:13 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Titia:
I've been in a few challenges now and the more I read the threads about/around them, the more I loose interest in further participation. This picking on details just makes me scratch my head and makes me wonder, where the hell creativity in the voter's mind has gone.
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Funny that you mention that as I also am finding the same. Creative interpretations within challenge entries have diminished to the point where it is becoming formula photgraphy meant to appease the self-proclaimed pundits on this site. Rather boring and limiting. I've found that just adding to my portfolio and getting feedbacks from the forums has been alot more encouraging. I have somewhat withdrawn from the challenges because I was getting too wrapped up in the formula. Since I have done so, I have had far more diversity in my shots, better feedback and less anxiety. In the meanwhile, I'm getting whacked in this challenge not because of my shot but I believe it is due to the narrow viewpoint many exercise when judging.
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06/06/2005 03:13:17 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by Titia:
I've been in a few challenges now and the more I read the threads about/around them, the more I loose interest in further participation. This picking on details just makes me scratch my head and makes me wonder, where the hell creativity in the voter's mind has gone.
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Funny that you mention that as I also am finding the same. Creative interpretations within challenge entries have diminished to the point where it is becoming formula photgraphy meant to appease the self-proclaimed pundits on this site. Rather boring and limiting. I've found that just adding to my portfolio and getting feedbacks from the forums has been alot more encouraging. I have somewhat withdrawn from the challenges because I was getting too wrapped up in the formula. Since I have done so, I have had far more diversity in my shots, better feedback and less anxiety. In the meanwhile, I'm getting whacked in this challenge not because of my shot but I believe it is due to the narrow viewpoint many exercise when judging. |
For me, most of the fun of challenges is trying to satisfy the challenge with a photo which is also nice to look at, or interesting in some way, without being so creative that people won't understand. I crossed that line in the Framed challenge, oops, but am still able to laugh about it and enjoy the challenge. When I first started participating here, I was quite annoyed by the "semantics police", but now I embrace the discussions with the same humour I approach most everything else I enjoy doing.
IMO, challenges are meant to funnel a creative attempt in a certian way. Sometimes I'll have what I think is a good idea which lands right in the bullseye of satisfying the challenge, other times I might be at, or on the wrong side of, that nebulous line. But I always try to do something that I think nobody else is going to do!
I think your entertainment buck here is best spent this way. And if that's no fun for you, there are always kpriest's DPC Enquirers!
:-D
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06/06/2005 03:42:55 PM · #42 |
"Just a quick question? The challenge naturally framed surely means framed by nature! Why am I seeing alot of images, great as they are, that are not following the rule of the challenge?"
The author of this thread asked a question and made a statement that as I see it, is way off base, in his interpretation. The Challenge description wasn't that ambiguous and it hurts sometimes when you get annoying comments and low votes based on such things.
I have nothing to gain by this thread having an entry that is clearly framed, by a thing of nature but I feel for those who are in those other zones and getting hammered for whatever reason.
While the timing might not be the best to bat these questions around, the issues are fair and good, strong points are being made all ways around...so why not. Better late than never and if it saves you the pain of recieving an unjust sub-intelligent score. Go for it!
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06/06/2005 03:45:23 PM · #43 |
uh yeh i know what it is, but these are not like that. You cant just take a photo of something and just because it is near something else call it a frame. I wont mention any photos but i dont really have to because i'm sure its showing in the score, and as for "nature"? I dont believe the photos had to be framed by "nature" any kind of frame should be correct.
Originally posted by amber:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
theres alot of great photos but in most of them i dont even see a frame of anything. I've also never seen half frames before, must be a new item. |
//photoinf.com/General/KODAK/guidelines_for_better_photographic_composition_framing.html |
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06/06/2005 03:50:54 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Blah Blah Blah Blah. Self-proclaimed expert. Blah Balh Blah. I'm right dammit!! Blah Blah Blah. Your stuff is crap!
Moral of this story is...........Blah Blah Blah!!!! |
lol |
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06/06/2005 03:57:55 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
uh yeh i know what it is, but these are not like that. You cant just take a photo of something and just because it is near something else call it a frame. I wont mention any photos but i dont really have to because i'm sure its showing in the score, and as for "nature"? I dont believe the photos had to be framed by "nature" any kind of frame should be correct. |
I'd agree with you there but let the voters decide on those. Whether there's a frame or not should be relatively clear...a frame is a frame. You can push that one as far as you'd like and in a number of directions and the voters will judge as they will but on the natural or man-made question we should be way beyond that at this point.
Message edited by author 2005-06-06 15:58:39.
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06/06/2005 04:45:15 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by messerschmitt:
my entry is 100% natural framed
i think its an appealing shot too
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its hammered..i will be happy if it enters the 5's in the end
leaves me a bit puzzled again |
Dont worry, your not alone.
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06/06/2005 06:20:14 PM · #47 |
i think that most threads like this have a conscious/unconscious motive. i wouldnt pay too much credence to just one person's spin on a challenge. folks here are humans & thereby are fickle & bias. nothing to cry about tho.
These threads are just a component of dpc not the be all & end all.
If folks are being turned off by these threads, I would suggest continuing with dpc w/o participating inthreads like this. There's lots to learn here & I would say to stick around & participate where you feel most comfortable.
peace
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06/06/2005 06:23:14 PM · #48 |
| I just wanted to thank the currently anonymous participants in the naturally framed challenge for the 13 new favorites. great work! go spend some time just enjoying the photos, even the ones you feel may not meet the challenge perfectly. |
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06/07/2005 12:32:55 AM · #49 |
After I get framed with my end score, on my framed submission, I am going to frame my pix with a rose vine frame so as to please myself, and anyone who sees the framed work so as when they ask me if my framed frame was from a natural frame? I will simply say "yes".
Then I will go get a drink.
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06/08/2005 08:12:37 AM · #50 |
You have rated 36 of 223 images (16%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 36 images (16%) in this challenge.
Not to bad for a challenge I didn't enter.
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