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04/23/2003 09:04:24 AM · #26 |
Why do people feel its necessary to tell us how they will be voting? For every person who says they will mark down studio shots, there is another saying that they wont...Hmmmm...why is that? Because there is more than one way to interpet a challenge, there is no right or wrong way. The challenge theme is very broad and with a lot of latitude. Vote however you want to, but it isnt necessary to tell us how your going to do it. I can only guess a person does this is when they are looking for validation from the group to justify their own voting methods. I know when I go to vote for an election, there is a sheet that hangs so no one can see what Im doing. Works great too. A simple note to a photographer as to why you dont think his picture fits into a challenge is a better way to convey your thinking. These are just my thoughts, an by no means a knock to anyone in this thread....as always, everyone has an opinion and just wants to be heard :)
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04/23/2003 10:16:28 AM · #27 |
This is a question of how you choose to interpret the challenge. Swash - you chose to interpret it to mean that the flora should be in a natural setting. Someone else might interpret the challenge quite differently.
For my own submissions I go out of my way to try and interpret the challenge as creatively and differently as I can.
To score someone down because they didn't interpret the challenge the same way as you is your privilege but to me it smacks of closed mindedness. What I try and do is look at each photo and figure out why the photographer thought it fit the challenge - what their interpretation of the challenge was. I then decide how good I think that interpretation was and factor that into my score.
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04/23/2003 10:42:25 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by scab-lab:
Why do people feel its necessary to tell us how they will be voting? |
Because people keep asking ... though perhaps not on this thread
And also I think it might help others form an impression of the voting patern overall on the site, which I certainly would have found helpful right from the start.
And it helps rationalise your own 'policy', to over-aggrandise the activity, to think ot through out loud.
Ed
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04/23/2003 11:50:01 AM · #29 |
I think of the challenge "flora" as a challenge for me to get out of the studio and figure out how to take a picture in its natureal environment. Just use the light and backgrounds of nature. I agree with Swash. We had the cliche' challenge and this one I believe was to open new horizons. Get off our butts and get out there and see what we could come up with. I can take a studio picture, but can I take a picture out in wild and have it look as good as studio? So far it isn't doing to badly. When summer hits I will be sure to go out and try more things to get a better shot.
edited to put cliche' challenge instead of flower challenge
Message edited by author 2003-04-23 11:54:15.
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04/23/2003 11:50:27 AM · #30 |
My 2 sense...
The photographer has total freedom to interpret the challenge to his/her own vision as they care to use...
The voter has total freedom to interpret the challenge to his/her own vision as they care to use...
If I shoot "outside the box" I accept the fact that a lot of voters will vote "inside the box"...
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04/23/2003 12:11:32 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by e301:
Just to add my opinion, I feel that it's implicit in 'flora' and 'fauna' that there be some suggestion of environment. Otherwise 'plants' and 'animals' would have been the titles. |
Not that this will change your mind on going back to revote 20 some odd studio or studio looking shots, but I think flora and fauna coming out the same day were drew/langdon's clever way OF saying plants and animals - just using F words that sound similar. I couldn't find any 'suggestion box' ideas for flora or fauna, but I found plenty for plants and animals. I think it was just a clever play on words.
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04/23/2003 12:13:08 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Budweezer:
Personally, i prefer the "essence" of the flower in a natural setting. Now we have a challenge which, IMO, challenges people to take shots in the natural environment and some didn't.
Same goes with fauna. |
I took a VERY challenging, natural setting shot of animals. No zoo, no studio, no cats and dogs - and it's STILL getting lambasted because it's hard to take a good clear shot of certain types of animals. So go, go vote now! :) Bring my score up with your perfect 10!
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04/23/2003 12:14:10 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
If I shoot "outside the box" I accept the fact that a lot of voters will vote "inside the box"... |
Now this is a way of expressing the concept that is both clear and succinct. I like it!
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04/23/2003 12:32:56 PM · #34 |
This was a sanity check. O.K. I'm ready for that padded room now....
There are so many things I could say to defend myself or this thread. I won't. I've removed the tactless comments and restored the scores. |
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04/23/2003 12:58:32 PM · #35 |
Put on you asbestos undies... ;-)
Now that's really lame, Swash. If you believed in how you were voting, then why let public opinion push you away from your position so easily? It seems the tone here mostly runs along this line: I do/don't agree with your interpretation of the challenge, but vote how you want! My only personal standard is: within a given challenge try to vote as consistently as possible across all pictures. That is to say, don't start looking at flowers, giving the good shots high scores, then, as the photos roll by and I get sick of seeing flowers, start voting flowers lower. I do account in my score whether I think the photographer did or didn't meet the challenge, partly because I think the creativity comes from trying to communicate within the confines of the challenge, and also because if I don't see how they fit the challenge, then they've failed at some level in communicating with their shot.
And, of course, a blurry picture always gets a 1.... (just kidding Maverick) |
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04/23/2003 01:37:50 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Put on you asbestos undies... ;-)
Now that's really lame, Swash. |
<<< Lights up the blow torch >>>
Actually I think Swash showed tremendous courage in deciding he might be mistaken and altering his view... In nearly 12 years on the internet, I think this is the very first time I've seen someone do this!!!
Swash, I would take off my hat to you if I was wearing one... An open mind is truely refreshing to see :)
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