What type of photographer are you?

04/22/2003 12:38:30 PM · #26

This comment comes from a guy that spends a ton of time on his website about linear workflows for G2? :)

Originally posted by Gordon:

well, I think y'all have picked your photography classification pretty well.

Do you get a little Measurbator icon now ?

04/22/2003 12:38:44 PM · #27

forget it. i was trying to help you. :P

bye bye.

Originally posted by paganini:

Well, that's most people :) but you can get a lot of great photographs with it.

Originally posted by magnetic9999:
most people dont use velvia for it's RF characteristics, dude.

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

04/22/2003 12:39:06 PM · #28

Originally posted by paganini:

This comment comes from a guy that spends a ton of time on his website about linear workflows for G2? :)

Originally posted by Gordon:
well, I think y'all have picked your photography classification pretty well.

Do you get a little Measurbator icon now ?

Don't try and drag me back down there with you - I've mostly escaped.

04/22/2003 12:42:19 PM · #29

Heck, i am not even anywhere near it :)

Anyway, I just made a comment that you can't simulate in a digital camera such as 10D what velvia can by itself and i get someone that wrote you can but do not post any samples :)

Show me the samples, magnetic, and i'll believe you. Post side by side velvia versus 10D.

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by paganini:
This comment comes from a guy that spends a ton of time on his website about linear workflows for G2? :)

Originally posted by Gordon:
well, I think y'all have picked your photography classification pretty well.

Do you get a little Measurbator icon now ?

Don't try and drag me back down there with you - I've mostly escaped.

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

04/22/2003 12:48:39 PM · #30

Originally posted by paganini:

btw - while we are being silly - what would the point of posting them be ? By the time you (cheaply no doubt) scan the velvia and convert it to a digital colour space, it is going to look crap anyway. I know it was a meaningless discussion anyway, but at least try to make it sensible.

04/22/2003 12:51:50 PM · #31

just for the record: i can live without Velvia :) just as people have lived without it during the Kodachrome days, doesn't mean i don't miss it :( And since you can't really change the film of the digital camera (unless you can change the sensor), you are stuck with its dynamic range and color sensitity unless you do some post processing. Now if 10D comes with hues, color balance, and other nifty stuff besides just saturation/contrast/tone, then i think i can get something similar to Velvia at least during its normal operating stage without having to use photoshop afterwards.

Is Velvia close to reality? No... actually, Kodachrome is probably closer, but who cares about reality here? :) i am not shooting for reality.

04/22/2003 12:53:19 PM · #32

I miss it :( that's all. but I think i can get something close to it in PS, just not in-camera (i.e. another step to do) which magnetic claims you can but i'd like to see how he does htat with only saturation/contrast/tone/white balance. YOu'll need hue adjustment for shadows/highlights/midtone, as well as color balance for shadows/highlights/midtone to simulate it.

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by paganini:
Heck, i am not even anywhere near it :)

Anyway, I just made a comment that you can't simulate in a digital camera such as 10D what velvia can by itself and i get someone that wrote you can but do not post any samples :)

Show me the samples, magnetic, and i'll believe you. Post side by side velvia versus 10D.

btw - while we are being silly - what would the point of posting them be ? By the time you (cheaply no doubt) scan the velvia and convert it to a digital colour space, it is going to look crap anyway. I know it was a meaningless discussion anyway, but at least try to make it sensible.

Journey

Canon PowerShot G3

04/22/2003 12:54:56 PM · #33

Humble question: what's reciprocity failure?

04/22/2003 12:57:50 PM · #34

Originally posted by Journey:

Humble question: what's reciprocity failure?

A link about various reciprocity failures for films

04/22/2003 01:06:37 PM · #35

I know a lot of people have complained that the color on their 10D's is underwhelming. so when you said you wished you could simulate velvia, i thought you might be receptive to trying stuff out.

When i said 'velvia-like', i meant nice deep dreamy saturated colors, and delicately rendered tones -- not necessarily a carbon-copy of Fuji's film. in fact, i have a pic in the challenge right now that someone commented looks like a Fujifilm ad ...

fyi, the color tone setting is actually a hue shift (read the manual for more info), and when used in combination with Kelvin WB, saturation control, and slight underexposure (which tends to add saturation to colors), can open a lot of creative possibilities with color.

take or leave this info but there's no reason to get all hyper and spastic about it :)

04/22/2003 01:19:40 PM · #36

Fair enough -- but without the ability to saturate JUST green and some blue and tone it a bit differently for shadows/midtone, it's not close to Velvia... that's all i am saying and the camera doens't distinguish shadows/midtones.

Originally posted by magnetic9999:

Journey

Canon PowerShot G3

04/22/2003 01:23:58 PM · #37

Originally posted by magnetic9999:

When i said 'velvia-like', i meant nice deep dreamy saturated colors, and delicately rendered tones

So, magnetic, what do you think of Rockwell's colors overall?

paganini, thanks for the link.

scab-lab

Canon EOS-D60

04/22/2003 01:33:11 PM · #38

I really enjoyed Rockwells gallery, I love to use and push color to its limits also. Ive learned quite a bit on Rockwells pages. :)

04/22/2003 01:37:07 PM · #39

As far as RF -- his photos that have the really interesting colors at NIGHT are due to RF. He has a lot of long exposure photographs that are pretty interesting. Is it capturing "reality?" Nope :) i don't think the building is meant to be green (one of the color shifts), but it looks nice, as well as some of this oceanside long expsures where the water color is pretty amazing (but not reality of course)

Originally posted by Journey:

Originally posted by magnetic9999:

When i said 'velvia-like', i meant nice deep dreamy saturated colors, and delicately rendered tones

So, magnetic, what do you think of Rockwell's colors overall?

paganini, thanks for the link.

04/22/2003 01:51:58 PM · #40

journey, i like the strong colors in the rockwell work.

i feel that there could be more variation, throughout the site, though. I didnt feel that there was a lot that distinguished one set of pics from another. maybe if he edited them down to the 'essential set' ...

but definitely colorful :)

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

04/22/2003 02:02:59 PM · #41

Originally posted by paganini:

Not sure which picture you mean about the green building - but at night that's usually just sodium lamps...

Canon EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM

04/22/2003 02:43:13 PM · #42

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by paganini:
As far as RF -- his photos that have the really interesting colors at NIGHT are due to RF. He has a lot of long exposure photographs that are pretty interesting. Is it capturing "reality?" Nope :) i don't think the building is meant to be green (one of the color shifts), but it looks nice, as well as some of this oceanside long expsures where the water color is pretty amazing (but not reality of course)

Not sure which picture you mean about the green building - but at night that's usually just sodium lamps...

This could be cause by the light but it's most likely color shift
green building

The posts is most likely grayish/light color, the lights on top of the bridge should not affect the color on the bottom of the bridge.Green color shift on the post

dadas115

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

04/22/2003 02:50:16 PM · #43

As far as Velvia goes, Tony, what do you think of FMâ��s digital velvia action? I personally donâ��t care for velvia at all but there are definitely a lot who do. I wish they would have named it something else, velvia is just too close to velvita for me LOL. As far as the original topic of this thread, I thought it was good entertainment. I got a good laugh and there are definitely elements of truth in it. People sure are funny creatures.

Greg

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/22/2003 02:54:37 PM · #44

No wonder I've been confused! I was trying to figure out how your were going to color-shift a processed cheese product...

04/22/2003 02:56:46 PM · #45

heh. when you shoot something at night, you get green casts because of the spectral composition of street lighting.

it's not because of reciprocity failure :)

04/22/2003 02:59:30 PM · #46

Some are, but not the bridge photo(the green posts).

could be the for the green building photo though.

Originally posted by magnetic9999:

heh. when you shoot something at night, you get green casts because of the spectral composition of street lighting.

it's not because of reciprocity failure :)

04/22/2003 03:02:05 PM · #47

hehehe :)

well, i haven't tried FM's velvia yet (it cost money). I know i can get to something close to velvia by saturating greens (which produces the warmer yellow color from which velvia is famous for) and reds in PS.

Originally posted by dadas115:

Message edited by author 2003-04-22 15:07:59.

04/22/2003 03:02:05 PM · #48

another thing about the Ken Rockwell site. what's with all the tech articles on that hideous saturated bright yellow???? makes me not want to read them :P

04/22/2003 03:07:11 PM · #49

That's because he wants you to view the photos and not the tech stuff (i think wrote it somewhere after you read through the blinding yellows)

Originally posted by magnetic9999:

another thing about the Ken Rockwell site. what's with all the tech articles on that hideous saturated bright yellow???? makes me not want to read them :P