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09/25/2002 12:19:00 AM · #51 |
This post is digressing from the cheesecake factor but your post was discussing "subject matter" in general, I believe.
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I fear Journey that this whole thread has digressed from the scope of this site. I do not recall challenges that ask for journalism, politics, religion, etc. Indeed D&L and the moderators work hard at quelling the contentions that do not apply to learning to take good pictures.
You know what is really ironic here? Forbiden Fruit is overtly and historicly about temptation. It's beautiful in the strictest artistic criteria; line, color, texture, balance, emphasis, form, and so on. This woman found absolutely nothing offensive in it. Some of the still lifes and macros, however, make me very uncomfortabe. I guess I'll have to blame Maplethorpe for that.
The offence is not in these the pictures, its in my mind.
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09/25/2002 12:45:01 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by JohnSetzler :
I agree with Journey on a limited basis... I vote subjectively as well, but I don't give a 1 simply because of the subject.
In Journey's message, I draw the conclusion that subject is worth 9 points and everything else is worth 1. I give merit to the photo if there is merit to be given on the objective scale as well as the subjective scale. I don't blind myself with any single particular about a photo...
John, you're drawing the wrong conclusion from my message. I said if the aim was "to sell a strong message", I might vote based on my acceptance of the message or not. And I quoted some extreme examples.
It seems that the great majority of submissions here did not contain a strong message of any kind. I voted therefore on their technical merit, their visual impact and the degree to which the picture had appeal to me. "The appeal to me" is strictly subjective.
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09/25/2002 12:47:49 AM · #53 |
I think this thread started with a very narrow minded premise. The subject was fruit and vegetables, and John use fruit to accentuate his image. Without the apple, the entire image would have changed. It reached many people, and was obviously affective. Art is in the interpratation, and this was a great example.
Originally posted by WNight:
What is the general consensus on people submitting mostly naked women instead of the actual challenge? JMSetzler's Forbidden fruit is an example, as is 'Between the Boom Chacka Lakes' in the current competition.
I don't mind the naked women subject (quite the opposite in fact), but it's just cheap that it wins a contest about something other topic. I saw F&Veg pics that I think were much more deserving than the first-prize winner.
Perhaps we should have a contest where the subject is nudes, or somesuch, to let these photographers submit their photos, and hopefully to encourage them to leave them out of the other contests.
I'll just keep voting them at 1, as I would anything which seemed to completely miss the point of the contest. I'd prefer an 'n/a' option so I could distinguish JMS's good photo that didn't qualify from a bad photo. (The disqualify option seems to indicate it's only for cheats, like photoshop, is this wrong?)
Actually, in a funny way, I think I'd have rated 'Forbidden Fruit' fairly highly in this category (Neg Space) because, well, it does use the 'not subject'-space to create the 'Wow'. :)
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09/25/2002 07:52:17 AM · #54 |
see my sig...
oh, and what Patella said...
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09/25/2002 08:30:24 AM · #55 |
| all of this talk of cheesecake is really making me hungry. |
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09/25/2002 09:03:18 AM · #56 |
Has this thread outlived its useful life?
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09/25/2002 09:46:25 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by JohnSetzler :
Has this thread outlived its useful life?
Should that stop people from continuing it? ;)
Mark
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